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The future of the Turkish NT

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Horrible game today. We showed today that we cant make plays. We dont have a single play maker who could possibly let us hope for more. We just won with more quality thats all. I mean Hungary played like there is no tomorrow but still our decisions were horrible.

The worst move was to try Onuralp Bitim twice. This guy totally lost track of bb in the States. Attacked the rim without brain.

Cedi Osman, standing ovations for him, he finished the game in a perfect way. We won just because of him today.
 
No, there is no chance.


There is no chance because of ataman and because turks have no plan. People are too fixed in the 5 minutes and zero point stats.

For turkish bb, its not important if Melih Tunca will play 2025 or not, important is that turkish bb has no plan how important Melih Tunca is.

Turkish bb doesnt know how big chance has come with Melih Tunca. Melih Tunca is a bigger perimeter prospect for turkish bb as the 19 years old Furkan Korkmaz, he is a bigger prospect as the young Cenk Akyol(87) in all ways.

Turkish bb must create a star from Melih Tunca, there is no other way to become a serious NT. You cant be satisfied with his role at Turk Telekom, he must have the ball in his hands and must make the decisions, not the 10 foreign players. Even in the next season this will not end, this is the stupid, no plan mentality of turks. Erdem Can must give him the full control next season but he will buy 5 foreign in the same positions, this is the IQ of turks, sad but true. Therefore a lithuanian can come and lauth at you.
 
Melihs role next season depends on his delivery this season. He must show that he gets better within the season. His frame is solid but he is too thin, his defense is because of his unfilled frame really bad but yes, it would be better if he played in the TBL big minutes beside BSL/Eurocup.

I am happy that he left Efes on loan and I think that he is really solid talent but it wont be enough for Eurobasket 25.
 
Melih Tuncas game has evolved in this season. The eye test says that he has become offensively a true BSL player. His three point shots are falling and he makes good decisions in crunch times. His body is not ready rn. and I would still prefer Kenan Sipahi over him but he is developing and will reach the EL level very soon. I expect him to break out next season. Defensively, he needs to become stronger.

Stats (BSL): 11 games | 17 MIN | 8.1 PTS | %42 2PT (18/43) | %55 3PT (12/22) | %94 FT (17/18) | 2.7 AST | 1.7 REB | 0.9 TO | 8.6 EFF​

In case Furkan Korkmaz you can now see that he is hardly ready for playing professional basketball. Nevertheless his talent shines through here and there. Bahcesehir is a good place for him. We need a good Furkan Korkmaz for Eurobasket 25
 
I really like the body transformation of Alex Koyun. He is clearly a forward now.

He is very late 2008 born guy. He can do a lot things little and looks smart.
 
Its just 9 month till Eurobasket 25 and after watching half of the season I want to draw some conclusions.

The front court: The front court will consist of the players Alperen Sengun, Ercan Osmani, Omer Yurtseven, Berke Buyuktuncel and Adem Bona. This is a tremendous Mix of skillset. Sengun is probably the best European player after Jokic, Giannis and Doncic, at least this season. Competing players are Franz Wagner, Wembanyama and Kristaps Porzingis.

Sengun slowly rises his fgp and this with little help from his team. He has to fight against two three guys in order to score and he mostly creates for himself. Not only he creates with his prolific footwork but he also has also developed a very efficient push shot and a turn around fade away jump shot although its not as efficient as it was last season. Shortly said, he is unstoppable in one against one. Just Wembanyama can stop him under the rim efficiently. On the defensive end he showed what he can do with capable wing defenders. With improving positioning and understanding of the game he became a plus defender in the NBA

I was thinking a lot about his pairing on the court and who might complement him the most. He needs a guy who can make open shots and drive to the rim smartly when Sengun gets doubled and in the perfect case pass when the opposing team manages to rotate successfully. The good thing is we have such a guy. Ercan Osmani is his perfect fit in the offense. Ercan is still very sloppy but he is also very talented and his game is growing from day to day. Defensively, both have size and they are good rebounders. Ercan still makes many unnecessary fouls because of excitement. This might be the only problem and he is a lost case against fast guards. But lets stick with the front court for now...

Sengun - Sanli, Sengun - Yurtseven didnt work at all. Sengun - Bona and Sengun - Buyuktuncel are other options that will probably work very well.

Yurtseven is showing his value in the offense with PAO and he will strongly benefit from the possibility of playing Euroleague at high level. He still has strong ups and downs within the game but his concentration was high in the last two games. He just needs to play with a guard who can attract the opposing perimeter player and this will be our problem. About his pairing he needs to play with good wing defenders. Fortunately, Cedi Osman is showing that he can defend exceptionally well if he wants to. Hernangomez showed how good he worked with Yurtseven. If someone can find Yurtseven near the rim after drives Yurt is unguardable in one against one. A power forward who can drive and dish plus someone who can defend multiple positions would be the perfect fit for Yurt and yes there is a guy. Berke Buyuktuncel is his name.

And we havent talked about Adem Bona yet. His role in the Eurobasket 25 is to come in from the bench when defense and energy is needed.

We have the talent set to react on every possible scenario more or less.

The back court:

What the Turkish basketball lacks the most are players who can deal with the ball. In 2025 nothing has changed. Thats the reason why a ready Shane Larkin absolutely crucial for our game. He is the only guy we cant replace in this team. Without him we wont be able to compete against no significant team. The opponents would close down the painted area and let our guys shoot and they would fail like always. He must come early and prepare well.

Besides him Kenan Sipahi is our best PG without the slightest doubt. He is a solid guy who makes everyone around him better and as a 30 year old veteran he can read games wisely and play efficient. I dont have the slightest doubt about his defense but he might slow down our game a lot. Posting up smaller guys could be a way to create though.

Here I would make the big change. I would start with Sipahi instead of Larkin. Kenan Sipahi needs a team around him that can score.
Kenan Sipahi - Furkan Korkmaz - Cedi Osman - Ercan Osmani - Alperen Sengun would be a very well functioning offense defense balanced team. The reason for this change is to pair up Yurtseven with Larkin and we have to use Larkin efficently without exhausting him. Without Larkin we wont be benefiting from Yurtsevens offense at all and his defensive shortcomings would hurt us a lot.

Cedi Osmans and Omer Yurtsevens performances in the EL is really something that should make us happy.

The case of Furkan Korkmaz: he is the biggest question mark on this roster. He is clearly the most talented offensive player that we have behind Shane Larkin but he is not ready at all. He has a horrible shape rn. There are sequences where you can see his talent but if he does not get in shape till September he should stay at home. With Bahcesehir he will get solid playtime. We need a good Furkan Korkmaz!

Melih Tunca is by far not ready to play do or die games but I would take him to the EB 25 anyway. He could play meaningful minutes against teams like Belgium. Since he is our future it will boost his development additionally.

Sehmus Hazer or Onuralp Bitim: considering the role they have taken in this season and their contribution it should be Hazer. Hazer despite having a horrible touch around the rim can step up big time in important games. Still not the best solution for the shooting guard position.

Conclusion: The team is exciting and can surely fight against any team but much will depend on how prepared our guys will come to the tournament. The team is offensively gifted and has unlike the previous tournaments solid pieces for the defense. Still there might be pieces that wont work together in a perfect way.

France is still our nightmare. I dont want to meet them. Hopefully in the final. :D

We can give a good fight against Serbia but it wont probably be enough.

I am not very afraid of Germany tbh. Much will depend on the participation of Isaiah Hartenstein and I dont think that he will come to help the Germans.

Latvia is a strong team and Greece might be a difficult case just because of Giannis but we can beat any team on a good day.
 
After Jokic, Giannis, Doncic it's Wemby, Sabonis, Franz as best players in the NBA. Only then Sengun, Porzingis. In FIBA on other hand the picture might be different and we are taking about FIBA.

When I think about Turkish NT to me pops out 2 questions - how good will Sengun and Biberovic (if he's NT available). There's no other exciting questions there. Both Cedi and Korkmaz are on the down side to certain extent compared to previous tournaments and even then they were not enough. So is Larkin. It's too soon for Bona, Tunca (might be nice in the future), let alone Berke who is a disappointment.

Lack of world class perimeter players.
 
After Jokic, Giannis, Doncic it's Wemby, Sabonis, Franz as best players in the NBA. Only then Sengun, Porzingis. In FIBA on other hand the picture might be different and we are taking about FIBA.

When I think about Turkish NT to me pops out 2 questions - how good will Sengun and Biberovic (if he's NT available). There's no other exciting questions there. Both Cedi and Korkmaz are on the down side to certain extent compared to previous tournaments and even then they were not enough. So is Larkin. It's too soon for Bona, Tunca (might be nice in the future), let alone Berke who is a disappointment.

Lack of world class perimeter players.

Sabonis is never better than Sengun.
 
LOL, never better :D He was all NBA for 2 years. Didn't see Sengun there.

I mean right now. Not time wise. If ask yourself this question: would the Houston Rockets trade Sengun for Sabonis head to head. Last season, Sengun was not strong enough thats why I would have said Sabonis is the better player but from this season Sengun is clearly the better player and also the more versatile player.
 
I mean right now. Not time wise. If ask yourself this question: would the Houston Rockets trade Sengun for Sabonis head to head. Last season, Sengun was not strong enough thats why I would have said Sabonis is the better player but from this season Sengun is clearly the better player and also the more versatile player.

With that I may agree. Even though Sabonis still beasting him out with rebounds and assists. If I building my team around I take Sengun off course. He can be true carrier at some point.
 
With that I may agree. Even though Sabonis still beasting him out with rebounds and assists. If I building my team around I take Sengun off course. He can be true carrier at some point.

Sabonis is the better rebounder but assist numbers highly depend on your team. Houston is a hell of a defensive team but they cant make shots. Sengun must always fight way more than Sabonis for points. Sengun is the best player of his team in the very competitive western conference and the team has been the second best team there.

His numbers will increase heavily when a star perimeter guy like Booker or Fox comes to the team. FVV is not good enough.
 
At Fiba Sengun is 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 times better as Sabonis and only that is important.
 
At Fiba Sengun is 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 times better as Sabonis and only that is important.

We can expect Sengun to contribute better than Sabonis but Sengun himself hasnt shown much either so far. Anyway, he will put easily 20 points plus average. :D
 
We can expect Sengun to contribute better than Sabonis but Sengun himself hasnt shown much either so far. Anyway, he will put easily 20 points plus average. :D

Not a given. Not saying he won't one day, but for a big to average 20ppg in FIBA is rare as fuck. M. Gasol or Vucevic or Sabonis, all 20ppg kinda dudes in NBA in their prime, would score around 12-14ppg in FIBA in most cases. Specially, if we speak about strong NTs.
 
Not a given. Not saying he won't one day, but for a big to average 20ppg in FIBA is rare as fuck. M. Gasol or Vucevic or Sabonis, all 20ppg kinda dudes in NBA in their prime, would score around 12-14ppg in FIBA in most cases. Specially, if we speak about strong NTs.

He is hot as hell and can hardly wait to compete in Eurobasket. He will easily average 20 points.
 
We can expect Sengun to contribute better than Sabonis but Sengun himself hasnt shown much either so far. :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaa good joke, Senguns eurobasket 2022 at 20 is enough for Sabonis whole NT career. Sengun is a killer, you never had a caliber like him in turkish bb. The only hope for turkish NT is Sengun. Then you must involve in the next years serious players(serious players, not jokes) next to him like Melih Tunca. You need those calibers, not bums.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaa good joke, Senguns eurobasket 2022 at 20 is enough for Sabonis whole NT career. Sengun is a killer, you never had a caliber like him in turkish bb. The only hope for turkish NT is Sengun. Then you must involve in the next years serious players(serious players, not jokes) next to him like Melih Tunca. You need those calibers, not bums.

Sengun 2022 was not outstanding even though very solid stats for his age. We hope all that he shows some difference in Eurobasket 25.
But I am also full hyped about him. He will be like Gasol in his best times. Absolutely unstoppable.
 
Sengun was limited in important games both against France in EuroBasket 2022 and against Croatia in 2023. But it is okey. Both Zubac and Gobert match-ups are really tough especially in FIBA court. After that time, he has destroyed Gobert last two seasons in NBA, Zubac is always hard for him. But anyway, I agree he has shown more than Sabonis in FIBA. Sabonis was huge disappointment so far, especially in the last two olympic qualifiers.
 
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