The Future of The Greek NT

[Straight forward2]

Obviously there's the certain decline ATM with Calathes, Sloukas getting old and Giannis not being 100% committed, and Greece doesn't have instant substitution for them. So it's the crisis of transition and the bad stretch for Greek NT. But heading to the future, the picture may not be all that bleak. There's definitely 2 pieces which are true prospects globally. 2004 Andrej Stojakovic, who will choose Greece as I understand, potentially great shooting guard, NBA prospect, and specially Alexandros Samodurov as versatile 4. He can go on the drafts somewhere high potentially. Interesting that both are not purely Geeks, one nearly Serbian, other Georgian. Definitely legit 2 pieces. The problem is that there's no dominant PG yet, at least IDK him yet. Naturalization sucks and I hated how Greece went cheap with Walkup. Rogkavopoulos and Kalaitzakis bros (or one) can grow into solid rotation pieces. Also Evangelos Zougris​ should be mentioned.

Not too many top prospects on the horizon ATM, but if Stojakovic and Samodurov prevails, that's a good pieces to build around. Add elite true guard and you have nice big trio. Hope it won't be random American.

I agree that Sloukas and Calathes have to be replaced but allthough we dont have crystal clear potential candidates I am not afraid too much about the guard situation. I am more afraid about the PF/C position because you cannot teach height.

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I see things contrary. You won't have problems with forwards (maybe centers, but even Samo can go small ball 5). The problem is that there's no elite true guards, specially point guards. That's the key to get them.

 

[paspalj2]

You are right that at the moment there is no PG prospect that stands out. But also fasoulaki is correct in the sense that there is *also* no C prospect. Moraitis could be a decent PG but he made the mistake of coming to Pao so I expect him to be buried into obscurity pretty soon. But who knows? I agree that we're going to be relatively ok at the SF/PF position but I also think that our development is bad overall and we will still lack shooting.

 

[EverGreen2]

Lefteris Liotopoulos is the next best thing in regards to point guards. Kostas Missas said at a bball camp that he's highly rated. He's 190cm and still has a couple years to gain more height.

https://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/...y-eklepse-tin-parastasi-sto-panellinio-efibon

 

[R1ou2]

November was the supposed month in which we'd learn the hosts of the OQT but so far no news available.

 

[tonia2]

November was the supposed month in which we'd learn the hosts of the OQT but so far no news available.

As announced, the decision about the hosts of the OQT will be made on November 27.

 

[Straight forward2]

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[Toruko2]

Well Greek Basketball never produced high level bigs (Giannis success as Georgios mentioned roots in his own work ethics) but very high level guards as we can see with Calathes now.

With Sloukas retirement from the NT there will be no other guard who could replace either one of the other. In terms of Wing players the situation is not that bad but center position is a big problem. Greece can survive with Giannis on five for a certain time but the main problem will be the guard position.

 

[Straight forward2]

Well Greek Basketball never produced high level bigs (Giannis success as Georgios mentioned roots in his own work ethics) but very high level guards as we can see with Calathes now.

With Sloukas retirement from the NT there will be no other guard who could replace either one of the other. In terms of Wing players the situation is not that bad but center position is a big problem. Greece can survive with Giannis on five for a certain time but the main problem will be the guard position.

Definitely Greece ATM doesn't seem to have a chance to get where they were when they had DD, Papaloukas, Spanoulis, Zisis and quality in each position. They had depth and now it might be the biggest issue, as well as completely no answers at PG spot. If Stojakovic will play for them, they still OK with Kalaitazkis Bros, Rog, Mitoglou and some prospects, but they don't have the core of guards that could carry them. Naturalization could help if they take someone like Evans or something. Nevertheless, definitely a decline and ATM no chance to reach the level of 00s team or 90s.

 

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[Victorious2]

Definitely Greece ATM doesn't seem to have a chance to get where they were when they had DD, Papaloukas, Spanoulis, Zisis and quality in each position. They had depth and now it might be the biggest issue, as well as completely no answers at PG spot. If Stojakovic will play for them, they still OK with Kalaitazkis Bros, Rog, Mitoglou and some prospects, but they don't have the core of guards that could carry them. Naturalization could help if they take someone like Evans or something. Nevertheless, definitely a decline and ATM no chance to reach the level of 00s team or 90s.

The issue of Greek prospects is very old. I remember that there was no sub for Dikoudis, then came Printezis, who was regarded much worse than Dikoudis, but endend up being much better. Then Printezis retired, now there’s Mitoglou. Same is true for Diamantidis and Spanoulis. Sloukas was nowhere near the level of those players a few years ago. Now I would say he’s not far off. Ofcourse players are different, but they are all top level players. Right now, there are three EL teams battling for a Final Fout position who have key players from Greece. Who would have predicted that five years ago? Greek basketball is said to be declining, but I am not seeing that. As for the future, let’s wait and see. However, the Greek national is underperforming. This is a fact. But the team clearly lacks unity and continuation.

 

[Straight forward2]

The issue of Greek prospects is very old. I remember that there was no sub for Dikoudis, then came Printezis, who was regarded much worse than Dikoudis, but endend up being much better. Then Printezis retired, now there’s Mitoglou. Same is true for Diamantidis and Spanoulis. Sloukas was nowhere near the level of those players a few years ago. Now I would say he’s not far off. Ofcourse players are different, but they are all top level players. Right now, there are three EL teams battling for a Final Fout position who have key players from Greece. Who would have predicted that five years ago? Greek basketball is said to be declining, but I am not seeing that. As for the future, let’s wait and see. However, the Greek national is underperforming. This is a fact. But the team clearly lacks unity and continuation.

You have some point here. We just have to wait and see how it will pan out. If Sloukas, Giannis still in and all the pieces, then it might be still extremely good team. But heading to the future there's no obvious substitutes to retired Calathes and soon retiring Sloukas. Greece needs true pure guards.

 

[Victorious2]

You have some point here. We just have to wait and see how it will pan out. If Sloukas, Giannis still in and all the pieces, then it might be still extremely good team. But heading to the future there's no obvious substitutes to retired Calathes and soon retiring Sloukas. Greece needs true pure guards.

If Greece’s talent decreases somewhat, but there’s more cohesion and continuation I can see Greece NT being more dangerous than they are now.

If some of the younger players continue to progress Greece will be fine in high level competition. As for winning medals, a few years can change a lot.

 

[Toruko2]

I just see Rogkavopoulos who has been developing well. He is not just a very good spot up shooter he also contributes as a rebounder and can push the ball on the other side. Not to mention he is a very underrated passer. His defense is bad though. I dont see any other guard or big who is ready to make the next step in the following 1-2 years.

 

[Toruko2]

Mitoglou is simply not comparable to Printezis and there are still guys like Papanikolaou who must be replaced. And there is no big except this lobotomized Papagiannis. Giannis must play five when he is with the Greek NT and there is still a question if you take Dorsey or Walkup. My vote would be for Walkup.

 

[Victorious2]

Mitoglou is simply not comparable to Printezis and there are still guys like Papanikolaou who must be replaced. And there is no big except this lobotomized Papagiannis. Giannis must play five when he is with the Greek NT and there is still a question if you take Dorsey or Walkup. My vote would be for Walkup.

Well, Mitoglou, Giannis, Papagiannis and Kostas are three bigs which as a whole have room for improvement. We tend to look for new players, but the players are there. We need to work with these players. Not look for others per se.

At SF I see Papapetrou and Rogkavopoulos, Thanassis. They can replace Papanikolaou.

The guards are tricky. My view is that Dorsey shouldn’t be playing as a naturalised player. I am not worried about skilled players, as long as there is continuity and dedication.


BTW it seems that Greece will have the opportunity to play with a full roster in the OQT in Athens. The Bucks are not playing in the finals.

 

[Toruko2]

Well, Mitoglou, Giannis, Papagiannis and Kostas are three bigs which as a whole have room for improvement. We tend to look for new players, but the players are there. We need to work with these players. Not look for others per se.

At SF I see Papapetrou and Rogkavopoulos, Thanassis. They can replace Papanikolaou.

The guards are tricky. My view is that Dorsey shouldn’t be playing as a naturalised player. I am not worried about skilled players, as long as there is continuity and dedication.


BTW it seems that Greece will have the opportunity to play with a full roster in the OQT in Athens. The Bucks are not playing in the finals.

Papagiannis has regressed and there is no evidence of becoming a better version of himself. Kostas A. and Thanasis are nothing more than jokes. Thanasis has no interest of being a serious player. Bucks keep him in order to make Giannis happy. Thanasis is not even a Eurocup level player, pretty dumb in addition.

Mitoglou is an ok player for Euroleague level although his defense in the Maccabi series was pretty bad. He started the season well.

You can forget about Papapetrou. You cant win with him against average teams. A pretty solid defender but he pretty much no offensive talent. He is 30 years old. I dont know what kind of improvement you expect from him.

My view is that Dorsey shouldn’t be playing as a naturalised player

This is not for you to decide. He is a naturalized player and it wont change. Sloukas, Calathes and Giannis are the only assets that the Greek BB has right now. Rogkavopoulos is a talented player, Mitoglou is usable, the rest is below average.

 

[Victorious2]

This is not for you to decide. He is a naturalized player and it wont change. Sloukas, Calathes and Giannis are the only assets that the Greek BB has right now. Rogkavopoulos is a talented player, Mitoglou is usable, the rest is below average.

Imagine that Greece was playing with none of them in previous World Cup.

Rogkavopoulos is still a non issue. Even Toliopoulos is a better offensive player.

Kostas is a young big man. He will improve and become a factor a few years from now.

 

[R1ou2]

Well, Mitoglou, Giannis, Papagiannis and Kostas are three bigs which as a whole have room for improvement. We tend to look for new players, but the players are there. We need to work with these players. Not look for others per se.

At SF I see Papapetrou and Rogkavopoulos, Thanassis. They can replace Papanikolaou.

The guards are tricky. My view is that Dorsey shouldn’t be playing as a naturalised player. I am not worried about skilled players, as long as there is continuity and dedication.


BTW it seems that Greece will have the opportunity to play with a full roster in the OQT in Athens. The Bucks are not playing in the finals.

Lmao Thanasis to replace Papanikolaou as he's either 2 years younger or a better basketball player than him? This is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Toruko2]

Rogkavopoulos is still a non issue. Even Toliopoulos is a better offensive player.

Nope, he is not.

Kostas is a young big man. He will improve and become a factor a few years from now.

He is neither young nor will he improve much from what he is right now. He is 97 born and has played for Asvel, FB and PAO so far without having the slightest improvement.

 

[tonia2]

Well, Mitoglou, Giannis, Papagiannis and Kostas are three bigs which as a whole have room for improvement. We tend to look for new players, but the players are there. We need to work with these players. Not look for others per se.

At SF I see Papapetrou and Rogkavopoulos, Thanassis. They can replace Papanikolaou.

The guards are tricky. My view is that Dorsey shouldn’t be playing as a naturalised player. I am not worried about skilled players, as long as there is continuity and dedication.


BTW it seems that Greece will have the opportunity to play with a full roster in the OQT in Athens. The Bucks are not playing in the finals.

Giannis stated that he needs 2-3 weeks for his recovery and then he will decide the next step.. I am not that optimistic