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Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
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Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:42
THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) opens its 35th season with the Philippine Cup in October but questions have been raised as to whether guest team Smart-Gilas could field its American reinforcement CJ Giles.
According to incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King, the board agreed during a meeting in Tagaytay City recently that Smart-Gilas’s games in the Philippine Cup will count just the same as the regular squads, meaning the Rajko Toroman-coached team could bring home the trophy.
Alvarez hopes to clarify the issue when the executive committee convenes on Wednesday.
The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is hoping to include Giles, who once played for the Los Angeles Lakers, in the national squad as a naturalized player. For now, he remains an American and thus, ineligible for the Philippine Cup.
“If Giles is really part of the program because they will be joining a tournament this year, I think walang problema sa akin. And we want to clarify that to the board if they will allow Giles to play kasi nga All-Filipino tayo,” Alvarez told the BusinessMirror.
Originally, the plan was for Smart-Gilas to only play tune-up games against the PBA teams and the results of its games will have no bearing in the team standings.
“It’s like playing against a team with an American import. Hopefully, we can validate this matter to the board. Kasi for sure, hindi aabot ang naturalization niya kasi October na ang All-Filipino,” he said.
“We want to know from the SBP of its plans like kung may tournament ba silang sasalihan this year because [as]I understand, one-year contract ang pipirmahan niya sa SBP.”
According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, the federation is close to signing the 22-year-old Giles to a one-year contract but his stint with the Philippine team for the 2011 Asian qualifier for the Olympics still depends on his performance and on-and-off the court behavior.
Giles, who will arrive on September 1, is a former first-round selection of the Lakers in the National Basketball Association and played for the Smart-Gilas team in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta in June where the team finished a decent fifth.
Talk ’N Text is the defending champion in the All-Filipino tournament. Curiously, the team is owned by Manny V. Pangilinan, also the president of SBP.
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C'mon let him play!!! its for our national team anyways!!
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:42
THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) opens its 35th season with the Philippine Cup in October but questions have been raised as to whether guest team Smart-Gilas could field its American reinforcement CJ Giles.
According to incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King, the board agreed during a meeting in Tagaytay City recently that Smart-Gilas’s games in the Philippine Cup will count just the same as the regular squads, meaning the Rajko Toroman-coached team could bring home the trophy.
Alvarez hopes to clarify the issue when the executive committee convenes on Wednesday.
The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is hoping to include Giles, who once played for the Los Angeles Lakers, in the national squad as a naturalized player. For now, he remains an American and thus, ineligible for the Philippine Cup.
“If Giles is really part of the program because they will be joining a tournament this year, I think walang problema sa akin. And we want to clarify that to the board if they will allow Giles to play kasi nga All-Filipino tayo,” Alvarez told the BusinessMirror.
Originally, the plan was for Smart-Gilas to only play tune-up games against the PBA teams and the results of its games will have no bearing in the team standings.
“It’s like playing against a team with an American import. Hopefully, we can validate this matter to the board. Kasi for sure, hindi aabot ang naturalization niya kasi October na ang All-Filipino,” he said.
“We want to know from the SBP of its plans like kung may tournament ba silang sasalihan this year because [as]I understand, one-year contract ang pipirmahan niya sa SBP.”
According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, the federation is close to signing the 22-year-old Giles to a one-year contract but his stint with the Philippine team for the 2011 Asian qualifier for the Olympics still depends on his performance and on-and-off the court behavior.
Giles, who will arrive on September 1, is a former first-round selection of the Lakers in the National Basketball Association and played for the Smart-Gilas team in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta in June where the team finished a decent fifth.
Talk ’N Text is the defending champion in the All-Filipino tournament. Curiously, the team is owned by Manny V. Pangilinan, also the president of SBP.
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C'mon let him play!!! its for our national team anyways!!
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Realities of international competitions
Realities of international competitions
Realities of international competitions
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Written by Ask Coach E / Eric Altamirano / altamiranohoops@yahoo.com
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:38
THERE is a certain focus needed in forming a team for international competitions. Members of the Powerade-Team Pilipinas knew of this and could have fared better than the eighth place it garnered in the recent International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Men’s Championships in Tianjin, China.
In an earlier piece, I wrote about outside shooting—among other things—one of the important aspects in international basketball competitions. On hindsight, however, the bonding of the team is also very important.
Some of the former Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) players said the Smart-Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman is the best way to go with most of its players tied up with the team for a number of years without the prospect of taking the lure of the PBA.
Guys like JV Casio, Dylan Ababou, Rabeh al-Hussaini, Mark Barroca and Chris Tiu are gaining international experience that any serious basketball player is willing to pay for. The Smart-Gilas program is akin to the NCC program under coach Ron Jacobs and under the stewardship of San Miguel Corp. chairman Eduardo “Danding” Cojuangco Jr.Being a collegiate player in the 1980s, I know that the NCC players practically ate, slept and dreamt about basketball and played basketball together. A term for that in local parlance is amuyan. It’s practically know how your teammates play, their tendencies and where they are going to be at the right place at the right time even if you are blindfolded.
Coach Yeng Guiao and his team did their very best under the circumstances and they gave a lot of teams a run for their money given the limited preparations. Do imagine if they had a lot more time to focus and didn’t have the upcoming PBA season to think about.
On the other hand, the Smart-Gilas team has that luxury. Some of the players may still play for their schools in the University Athletic Association of the Philippines and the National Collegiate Athletic Association, but these are not as taxing as being in the PBA because the season lasts only for a few months.
Now that it is Toroman’s time, the Filipinos will soon find out how a cohesive team that prepared close to the NCC program would fare in international competitions. Add to that a naturalized player to plug the weak spots as being envisioned by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, headed by executive director Noli Eala and chairman Manny Pangilinan.
And when these players end their tour of duty, imagine the bumper crop who will join the PBA in the coming years, which could possibly rival the list of rookies that entered the draft in the late 1980s to the early 1990s.
I remember this prospect of cohesion in the case of the Nokia RP U16 team, which is preparing for the Fiba championships in November in Malaysia. With the players focusing with the varsity teams and returning to practice a few weeks later, scrimmages aimed at achieving cohesion go back to square one.
But I believe that the juniors team was already formed earlier that it has the ability to gain back its cohesion given a few more weeks before the tournament.
Realities of international competitions
Realities of international competitions
Sports
Written by Ask Coach E / Eric Altamirano / altamiranohoops@yahoo.com
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:38
THERE is a certain focus needed in forming a team for international competitions. Members of the Powerade-Team Pilipinas knew of this and could have fared better than the eighth place it garnered in the recent International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Men’s Championships in Tianjin, China.
In an earlier piece, I wrote about outside shooting—among other things—one of the important aspects in international basketball competitions. On hindsight, however, the bonding of the team is also very important.
Some of the former Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) players said the Smart-Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman is the best way to go with most of its players tied up with the team for a number of years without the prospect of taking the lure of the PBA.
Guys like JV Casio, Dylan Ababou, Rabeh al-Hussaini, Mark Barroca and Chris Tiu are gaining international experience that any serious basketball player is willing to pay for. The Smart-Gilas program is akin to the NCC program under coach Ron Jacobs and under the stewardship of San Miguel Corp. chairman Eduardo “Danding” Cojuangco Jr.Being a collegiate player in the 1980s, I know that the NCC players practically ate, slept and dreamt about basketball and played basketball together. A term for that in local parlance is amuyan. It’s practically know how your teammates play, their tendencies and where they are going to be at the right place at the right time even if you are blindfolded.
Coach Yeng Guiao and his team did their very best under the circumstances and they gave a lot of teams a run for their money given the limited preparations. Do imagine if they had a lot more time to focus and didn’t have the upcoming PBA season to think about.
On the other hand, the Smart-Gilas team has that luxury. Some of the players may still play for their schools in the University Athletic Association of the Philippines and the National Collegiate Athletic Association, but these are not as taxing as being in the PBA because the season lasts only for a few months.
Now that it is Toroman’s time, the Filipinos will soon find out how a cohesive team that prepared close to the NCC program would fare in international competitions. Add to that a naturalized player to plug the weak spots as being envisioned by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, headed by executive director Noli Eala and chairman Manny Pangilinan.
And when these players end their tour of duty, imagine the bumper crop who will join the PBA in the coming years, which could possibly rival the list of rookies that entered the draft in the late 1980s to the early 1990s.
I remember this prospect of cohesion in the case of the Nokia RP U16 team, which is preparing for the Fiba championships in November in Malaysia. With the players focusing with the varsity teams and returning to practice a few weeks later, scrimmages aimed at achieving cohesion go back to square one.
But I believe that the juniors team was already formed earlier that it has the ability to gain back its cohesion given a few more weeks before the tournament.
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Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:42
THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) opens its 35th season with the Philippine Cup in October but questions have been raised as to whether guest team Smart-Gilas could field its American reinforcement CJ Giles.
According to incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King, the board agreed during a meeting in Tagaytay City recently that Smart-Gilas’s games in the Philippine Cup will count just the same as the regular squads, meaning the Rajko Toroman-coached team could bring home the trophy.
Alvarez hopes to clarify the issue when the executive committee convenes on Wednesday.
The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is hoping to include Giles, who once played for the Los Angeles Lakers, in the national squad as a naturalized player. For now, he remains an American and thus, ineligible for the Philippine Cup.
“If Giles is really part of the program because they will be joining a tournament this year, I think walang problema sa akin. And we want to clarify that to the board if they will allow Giles to play kasi nga All-Filipino tayo,” Alvarez told the BusinessMirror.
Originally, the plan was for Smart-Gilas to only play tune-up games against the PBA teams and the results of its games will have no bearing in the team standings.
“It’s like playing against a team with an American import. Hopefully, we can validate this matter to the board. Kasi for sure, hindi aabot ang naturalization niya kasi October na ang All-Filipino,” he said.
“We want to know from the SBP of its plans like kung may tournament ba silang sasalihan this year because [as]I understand, one-year contract ang pipirmahan niya sa SBP.”
According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, the federation is close to signing the 22-year-old Giles to a one-year contract but his stint with the Philippine team for the 2011 Asian qualifier for the Olympics still depends on his performance and on-and-off the court behavior.
Giles, who will arrive on September 1, is a former first-round selection of the Lakers in the National Basketball Association and played for the Smart-Gilas team in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta in June where the team finished a decent fifth.
Talk ’N Text is the defending champion in the All-Filipino tournament. Curiously, the team is owned by Manny V. Pangilinan, also the president of SBP.
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C'mon let him play!!! its for our national team anyways!!
Coach Kalbo will not be in favor for Giles to play in the PBA for Smart Gilas. It will lessen his chances of winning the crown for this conference.
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OjiesIII2
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Coach Kalbo will not be in favor for Giles to play in the PBA for Smart Gilas. It will lessen his chances of winning the crown for this conference.
yeah!! heheh and if cj giles will suit up for the smart-gilas they will demolished all those teams in the PBA.. especially burger king..
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Butata2
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I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy.
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reamily2
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I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy.
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reamily2
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And I think Giles not included inthe lineup maybe a blessing in Disguise having Greg and Junmar handle some responsibility let them lose first but if they play Ballesteros out there then let Giles play now
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KevinDurant2
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Yeah, All Filipino.."tayo-tayo" mentality
..this will help improve the level of play here in the Phils.
Why not allow Giles?? Yes, their win-loss record will be counted but they won't be in the playoffs anyway..PBA teams will still slug it out for the title. It won't hurt for the PBA teams to play against a squad with a 6'11" guy. It's actually a help to improve the players.
..this will help improve the level of play here in the Phils.Why not allow Giles?? Yes, their win-loss record will be counted but they won't be in the playoffs anyway..PBA teams will still slug it out for the title. It won't hurt for the PBA teams to play against a squad with a 6'11" guy. It's actually a help to improve the players.
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patay-butiki2
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I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy.
espiritu plays PF. I think it will be difficult for him to shift to SG-SF.
he's just another undersized big man. on the other hand, guevarra and baracaeil are tall, athletic natural SG-SF's.
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alien space bats2
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Yeah, All Filipino.."tayo-tayo" mentality
Why not allow Giles?? Yes, their win-loss record will be counted but they won't be in the playoffs anyway..PBA teams will still slug it out for the title. It won't hurt for the PBA teams to play against a squad with a 6'11" guy. It's actually a help to improve the players.
pls tell this to the PBA fans who act like old dogs that can never be taught new tricks. PBA and SOME of its fans (trans: not all fans) behave as if they're afraid of getting doused with some water. parang aso talaga.. (old dogs)
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KevinDurant2
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The entertainment part of it hurts us to the point that it impedes the development of our players. The level/quality of our play has become stagnant.
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D_I_A2
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because they love watching it at boob tubes than live where they can see it much closer and in the open.
some fans are contented with pba individualistic plays but doesn't want to see the boring team plays which is much needed in international stints.
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Lebron232
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Love to see 6'7" Aldrech Ramos play in the Philippine Cup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFSqwL5bjd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFSqwL5bjd4
TrueBluePinoy2
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I want to see Lazy bone Marlou Aquino get schooled!!
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Lebron232
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Well
Marlou Aquino is 38 yrs.old. I think he should retire next year.
I was a fan of Aquino when he played for Ginebra, but he became a very lazy player after the 2003 PBA Season.
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OjiesIII2
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Me too.. he use to be very very good player. but when he and espino team up in sta.lucia he become a like espino who is very very lazy...
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rensquared2
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Me too.. he use to be very very good player. but when he and espino team up in sta.lucia he become a like espino who is very very lazy...
Same here. I WAS an avid fan of Marlou Aquino. But, when he declined to join the NT, I became the exact opposite of being a fan of him.
Such pathetic reasons to turn your back on your country.
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Coach, SBP exec optimistic about Gilas’ shot at Olympic berth
08/26/2009 | 12:09 PM
Daunting the task may be, but Smart-Gilas Pilipinas coach Rajko Toroman is optimistic about his team’s chances of earning the lone berth at stake for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.
“It’s not going to be easy, but we have to believe that we can do that (qualify for the Olympics)," said Toroman, whose young wards are preparing for the 2011 FIBA-Asia men's championship that serves as qualifier for the London Games.
"In the beginning it may be painful, we will lose some games, we will be sacrificing, we will be going through some difficult situations. But in the end, our goal is 2011 (FIBA-Asia meet) and we will do everything to put things together," he added.
Along with Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, Toroman scouted the opposition during the last FIBA-Asia championship in Tianjin, China and noted that besides the host team, the Middle East countries, specifically Jordan, Lebanon and Iran, a squad he used to coach in the past, have slowly risen as emerging powers in Asian basketball.
The Iranians, now handled by another Serbian in Veselin Matic, routed Yi Jianlian and the Chinese national team, 70-52, in the championship game to retain their title.
“You saw that the competition was very strong in China. So it’s difficult now to judge about our chances," said Toroman, the architect of Iran’s rise to power in Asian basketball.
But Eala saw something positive in Iran’s big win over a country long been considered as the best in Asia.
“I think the biggest thing that gave me hope was when Iran beat China in their homecourt. If you look at Iran, it’s no bigger than us, except maybe for (center) Hamed Ehahadi who’s really the focal point. But everyone else, I guess, is comparable to us.
“But it’s not so much the height and the size of Iran that impresses me, but it’s their look of confidence and the look that they are having fun as a team….when you look at them, it’s like they’ve been living together the past 20 years. They just seem like they know one another very well," said Eala.
Also part of Eala’s optimism is the long-term program the basketball association has implemented through the formation of the Gilas team under Toroman.
“One thing that gives me a lot of hope is the fact that we have a program. We have an honest-to-goodness program to back up our desire to win in 2011," he said.
“The program consists of an international coach who knows what it takes to win in the international arena and has got the experience and credentials to show for it," Eala said, referring to Toroman.
Outside of the program and a coach knowledgeable in the international type of play, Eala also cited the full backing of corporate sponsor Smart, exposure to a lot of games and tournaments abroad, and the commitment of the players to the team as the other key components that hopefully would help Gilas Pilipinas achieve its goal in 2011.
“With all of these ingredients together, we are hopeful, we are optimistic that we have a program that is in place," Eala said.
Then again, the SBP official reiterated that it wouldn’t be easy for the Gilas squad.
“It’s gonna be very tough. Let’s be realistic and let’s manage everybody’s expectations. It’s not a shoo-in. It’s not a matter of showing up in 2011 and winning that slot," said Eala.
The 54-year-old Toroman noted how Iran also went through the same phase when he first handled the team in 2007.
But playing together all-year-round and acquiring experiences in the international level toughened the Iranians up and made them what they are right now – a two-time FIBA-Asia champion.
“We played many international games. Do you think that it was nice to lose 25 out of those 35 games? It was very tough for me, for the players. But we just believed we were sacrificing together. We just believed that these games will give us something new and something better in the future," he said. - GMANews.TV
08/26/2009 | 12:09 PM
Daunting the task may be, but Smart-Gilas Pilipinas coach Rajko Toroman is optimistic about his team’s chances of earning the lone berth at stake for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.
“It’s not going to be easy, but we have to believe that we can do that (qualify for the Olympics)," said Toroman, whose young wards are preparing for the 2011 FIBA-Asia men's championship that serves as qualifier for the London Games.
"In the beginning it may be painful, we will lose some games, we will be sacrificing, we will be going through some difficult situations. But in the end, our goal is 2011 (FIBA-Asia meet) and we will do everything to put things together," he added.
Along with Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, Toroman scouted the opposition during the last FIBA-Asia championship in Tianjin, China and noted that besides the host team, the Middle East countries, specifically Jordan, Lebanon and Iran, a squad he used to coach in the past, have slowly risen as emerging powers in Asian basketball.
The Iranians, now handled by another Serbian in Veselin Matic, routed Yi Jianlian and the Chinese national team, 70-52, in the championship game to retain their title.
“You saw that the competition was very strong in China. So it’s difficult now to judge about our chances," said Toroman, the architect of Iran’s rise to power in Asian basketball.
But Eala saw something positive in Iran’s big win over a country long been considered as the best in Asia.
“I think the biggest thing that gave me hope was when Iran beat China in their homecourt. If you look at Iran, it’s no bigger than us, except maybe for (center) Hamed Ehahadi who’s really the focal point. But everyone else, I guess, is comparable to us.
“But it’s not so much the height and the size of Iran that impresses me, but it’s their look of confidence and the look that they are having fun as a team….when you look at them, it’s like they’ve been living together the past 20 years. They just seem like they know one another very well," said Eala.
Also part of Eala’s optimism is the long-term program the basketball association has implemented through the formation of the Gilas team under Toroman.
“One thing that gives me a lot of hope is the fact that we have a program. We have an honest-to-goodness program to back up our desire to win in 2011," he said.
“The program consists of an international coach who knows what it takes to win in the international arena and has got the experience and credentials to show for it," Eala said, referring to Toroman.
Outside of the program and a coach knowledgeable in the international type of play, Eala also cited the full backing of corporate sponsor Smart, exposure to a lot of games and tournaments abroad, and the commitment of the players to the team as the other key components that hopefully would help Gilas Pilipinas achieve its goal in 2011.
“With all of these ingredients together, we are hopeful, we are optimistic that we have a program that is in place," Eala said.
Then again, the SBP official reiterated that it wouldn’t be easy for the Gilas squad.
“It’s gonna be very tough. Let’s be realistic and let’s manage everybody’s expectations. It’s not a shoo-in. It’s not a matter of showing up in 2011 and winning that slot," said Eala.
The 54-year-old Toroman noted how Iran also went through the same phase when he first handled the team in 2007.
But playing together all-year-round and acquiring experiences in the international level toughened the Iranians up and made them what they are right now – a two-time FIBA-Asia champion.
“We played many international games. Do you think that it was nice to lose 25 out of those 35 games? It was very tough for me, for the players. But we just believed we were sacrificing together. We just believed that these games will give us something new and something better in the future," he said. - GMANews.TV
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Alex072
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I still think that we are more athletic than the Iranians the thing is we are 4-5 inches shorter.I think if we have the right guys playing the right roles and positions I think we could beat some top Asian teams.Who knows if we get the right numbers of international exposures we were looking for then we might end up better than we did this year
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