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[Round 1 - Day 5 - Group C] Greece - Slovenia

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[Round 1 - Day 5 - Group C] Greece - Slovenia


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Rule of thumb would say, that whenever you think a game reffed by Luigi Lamonica was reffed correctly then Luigi must have given the team you like the benefit of the whistle. There is no such thing as a good reffed game, when Lamonica is involved, its just a question of which team gets the shaft, or if they both do lol.

Anyway Greece is a much better team, and the reffs were not the reason why we lost. All in all i am happy we were close at all, because just like Zdovc, i personaly believe Greece is the gold favorite this year. I have to say, i really enjoy watching our team play, and that is something i would have never thought i would think, when i saw the roster. I think its the worst roster - talent vise, in Slovenian history. I am happy with the team though. If only E.Lorbek and Vidmar were healthy. :/ I shudder to think what Zdovc could have done with the teams Pipan screwed up in the early to mid 2000's
Haven't seen you around for a while :)

I don't think Zdovc would help, with all that offensive material and players of questionable defensive abilities, half of players missing every year, even if Zdovc is a far better coach than Pipan, I think we'll have to aknowledge those Slovenian teams were in most cases just not really compatible and were overated because of having 10 guys that could score 20 points on most given days, yet only one ball to share...

I'm more interested in what Zdovc would've done in 2013, as with this systematic play or the one in 2014, on home court, we could definately do better than we did imo.
 
Markovic is a defensive specialist. He sucks on offense but is bar none the best defender in the Team (way better than Calathes) and one of the best at that in Europe. That's his role, also he can create a bit as well. Teodosic, Bogdanovic, Markovic, Nedovic is guard rotation. Milosavljevic play SF mostly, he is a SG/SF tweener and actually replaces Kalinic in the lineup. So that spot is not there for Calathes, he is a combo PG/SG. So yes he would've not made the team unless we take 3 PGs. In France he would be a clear No. 2 PG behind Parker.

You could have Bogdanovic play Milosavljevic's role.But I somewhat agree that he would find more space in the french roster.I was carried away by Heurtel's absence,but this seems to be a coach thing.Collet seems to dislike him.
 
Haven't seen you around for a while :)

I don't think Zdovc would help, with all that offensive material and players of questionable defensive abilities, half of players missing every year, even if Zdovc is a far better coach than Pipan, I think we'll have to aknowledge those Slovenian teams were in most cases just not really compatible and were overated because of having 10 guys that could score 20 points on most given days, yet only one ball to share...

I'm more interested in what Zdovc would've done in 2013, as with this systematic play or the one in 2014, on home court, we could definately do better than we did imo.

Oh I've been lurking around, i just haven't been writing all that much, especially due to the fact that Olimpija isn't in form :)

As far as the Slovenian teams of past years and Pipan, i feel half of the players went missing because of Pipan, because he had no idea how to coach them. Also this years players arent exactly defensive juggernauts (Prepelic, Zupan, Slokar etc.) and Zdovc seems to manage. I think its all about a coach being able to "sell" his philosophy to his player and them buying into it. Pipan had no idea how to do that. He had no experience with players of that caliber. I still remember how he said our biggest problem was, that we had no players who were the go to guys on their teams, but rather second or third options. He was simply an idiot and that is why half our players never played for him.

Its true that those teams were a bit overrated because they didn't have any chemistry, however i still don't understand why, because on paper they were not only a group of good players, they fit well together offensively. May be the biggest problem was, hat there was not one player who was clearly better then the others. Still we have the same problem today, only the talent level is much worse, yet the team plays great. The way Pipan dealt with it is, he left half the team home, and alienated half the players.

Also i love seeing Zdovc when the game is breaking. The whole time when we have a huge lead you see him jumping up and down the court screaming, but the minute we hit trouble, he seems so damn calm, no panic no look of a deer in the headlights like Pipan used to have. Its just awesome.

Anyway what has been has been, no use in opening old wounds :) One day we will get our medal, I am sure we will :)
 
Well, I'm sure Pipan played a part there when some of the players were missing. But that again so did Vatutin I was told, some other clubs had their share, some managers played a noticable roles, that's a topic some people can say a lot about, but they refuse to as they don't want to seem petty. There was always one good lineup missing, either due injuries or behind the back games.

Wholefully agreed on the Zdovc part. You can't win anything if you're constantly told you don't have the quality for it anyway for example. Zdovc doesn't do that and wants to focus on winning untill the last possible minute.

f.e. previous teams suffered immensely due to Lakovič. He gave his best, but on numerous occasions was the only reliable PG (remember Petrov against Israel in... 2003 I believe) and could barely walk let alone guard anyone by the end of the 4th quarter. Joksimovič in those times (2007, 2009) was an incredible defender, never got close to the NT to relieve him (was there in 05 with minor role), Goran was inexperienced in 07 and "injured" as his manager insisted back than in 09, Klobučar was far from reliable in 09, and just a kid that was supposed to learn something there in 07, with Čapin as the second PG (and God knows everybody can physicaly beat him at will at this level)
In 2007 we had an "incredible perimeter" of Lakovič 20 years old Goran, Klobučar and Čebular, Čapin and 22 years old Domen Lorbek, that changes the perspective looking at it from the distance even if we also had Erazem, Smodiš, Brezec, Nachbar, Jagodnik all at their peak or near that.
In 2005 Pipan did screw up, that team was just... wow, right untill the game against Germany, even if we were there with 4 guards only in 03 Gorenc and Tušek fought, while in 01 that was once again a major screwup when they choked against Latvia.

01 and 05 were legit screw ups, 03 was an idiocy, while 07 and further just got hyped because people wanted to see the pattern there imo. Luckily in recent years people are starting to realise we don't have as many players of the same caliber we used to and are coping fine with it. This championship especialy as expectations are low and based on the effort they see instead of result. I'm positively surprised by that.
 
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