Qatar National Team

[mavrick_h2]

I think you are not getting any of what Mavrick is trying to say. Qatar is a good team. There is no doubt about that and they actually beat a depleted Lebanon roster last summer during the FIBA ASIA cup in Tokyo. But truth to be said, Qatar is not in the same pool of China, Iran, Lebanon, Philippines, Jordan and South Korea skill-wise. Their players are pretty much old and they don't have anything new except for their naturalized player. Their style of basketball remain the same. Their main two weapons are their naturalized player and head coach Tom Wiseman. So what Mavrick is trying to say is that Qatar is a good team but Lebanon should, and in normal circumstances, have no problems to go through. And this what i actually think too. There is no arrogance nor complacency in all this.

Cheers.

I completely agree Dany. And add to that the absence of Ousseynou N'Diaye, Mame Souleye Ndour and in particular Targuy/Tanguy Ngombo (due to eligibility issues) has really taken away from this Qatari NT.
Also unless the Qatari NT players are in excellent form and top shape they will suffer the most from all these games being played considering that the average age of the team is almost 30!

But guys they performed very well in Asian Cup 2006, Asia Cup 2012 & many Jones Cups

 

[ak11052]

But guys they performed very well in Asian Cup 2006, Asia Cup 2012 & many Jones Cups

hmm..i think Jamskie is correct..you are taking Qatar for granted but its irrelevant anyway what you think coz you are just a spectator like all of us here, unless if your players and coaches think like you..but frankly speaking, if JK will join only after Jones Cup and some of your players, i think (which as i have said is irrelevant what i am thinking), Qatar will give you a good fight in the first round..considering you will be making JK as a vital player in your team..i would not be surprise of an upset..its not that you are beaten by the better Qatar if it happens but rather you have beaten yourself..but its a long shot though but not impossible.

 

[mavrick_h2]

hmm..i think Jamskie is correct..you are taking Qatar for granted but its irrelevant anyway what you think coz you are just a spectator like all of us here, unless if your players and coaches think like you..but frankly speaking, if JK will join only after Jones Cup and some of your players, i think (which as i have said is irrelevant what i am thinking), Qatar will give you a good fight in the first round..considering you will be making JK as a vital player in your team..i would not be surprise of an upset..its not that you are beaten by the better Qatar if it happens but rather you have beaten yourself..but its a long shot though but not impossible.

nothing's granted in basketball. I only said we have a good experience and the tools to overcome them; therefore i'm not considering them as a higher threat to the NT.

And do you think a player like JK or any other player who joins at the last minutes will have a vital role from the first game?! It's coaching 101. Never insert a player coming late to your squad during an official game. He will harm the chemistry of the team more than helping them.

 

[ak11052]

nothing's granted in basketball. I only said we have a good experience and the tools to overcome them; therefore i'm not considering them as a higher threat to the NT.

And do you think a player like JK or any other player who joins at the last minutes will have a vital role from the first game?! It's coaching 101. Never insert a player coming late to your squad during an official game. He will harm the chemistry of the team more than helping them.

Ofcourse your coach will give JK a long playing time especially early in the elimination..to get the feel of the tournament and the players..when do you think will GS insert him? and this insertion may mean success or failure in that game..its basketball 101..unless JK is not a key player and can languish in the bench the whole tournament..but i doubt it..

 

[JAMSKIE2]

When I say Qatar aren't a threat, that doesn't mean we will win the game easily nor blow them. When I say Qatar aren't a threat to Lebanon, that means we know this team very much that we can find a solution to win over them. Don't assume whatever you feel comfortable explaining things that I never said.
I clearly replied to a one particular game that is Lebanonvs Qatar. I never said we will win the championship. Clearly you keep reading whatever you like in my posts. If I said we will win on Qatar that easily, why in the world I continued writing 'I'm more concerned about the Japanese side'? Do you think now that I still keep my expectations high?! Or you just took the area that you wanted from a previous post and start attacking, claiming and putting words in my mouth that I never said.

"You'll be happy if Lebanon reaches the quarterfinals? Now you're sounding a different tune all of a sudden. You've tempered down your expectation all of a sudden."

I didn't said that as a reply to your post. I mentioned this weeks ago, with the previous situation of the NT. It's not your posts that made me say that...there are facts that we judge upon. Even, I replied to that post before getting in an argument with you...so don't pretend to be the one who influenced my previous statement.

I never said it will be a walk in the park beating Qatar. You just keep analyzing whatever you feel comfortable to argue about. I said Qatar aren't a threat to Lebanon, i'm more concerned about Japan. You're completely mistaken. We might lose the game vs Qatar everything is possible in this world.

Imo your posts and replies clearly describes something completely different. It was never about the Qatar game, nor anything else. I will keep my thoughts for myself for now. No real Filipino suddenly becomes a defender of Qatar. It's completely the other side of the story.

There goes the clincher! You don't see Qatar as a threat to Lebanon, yet you don't expect Lebanon to beat Qatar easily?

I wonder how, for the sake of rational thinking & sanity, would you be able to reconcile such very contradicting theories. This is an absolute paradox, or worse absolute stupidity.

It's like the Miami Heat players saying, "We've never felt threatened by the San Antonio Spurs"

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I think you are not getting any of what Mavrick is trying to say. Qatar is a good team. There is no doubt about that and they actually beat a depleted Lebanon roster last summer during the FIBA ASIA cup in Tokyo. But truth to be said, Qatar is not in the same pool of China, Iran, Lebanon, Philippines, Jordan and South Korea skill-wise. Their players are pretty much old and they don't have anything new except for their naturalized player. Their style of basketball remain the same. Their main two weapons are their naturalized player and head coach Tom Wiseman. So what Mavrick is trying to say is that Qatar is a good team but Lebanon should, and in normal circumstances, have no problems to go through. And this what i actually think too. There is no arrogance nor complacency in all this.

Cheers.

Alright, let's reason together.

How would one interpret it if someone says, "I don't think Qatar is a threat"? Wouldn't that statement be interpreted as the one issuing such statement is so confident that Lebanon won't encounter difficulty beating Qatar? Believe me, any poster here would interpret that statement the same manner that I had interpreted it. How else would one interpret that?

I agree with Mavrick, Lebanon has beaten Qatar a No. of times in the past 8 years or so, and perhaps Mavrick's expectation/assessment on how Lebanon would fare vs. Qatar in this coming Asian Championship was based on the 2 teams match-ups in the last 8 years or so. But please remember, most (if not all) of those games where Leb beat Qatar were close ones. It's not like Lebanon had beaten Qatar by an average margin of 15+ pts.

But as I have pointed out, there's always that opportunity for the Qataris to improve. As I've mentioned, the Qataris has a new coach in Tom Wiseman, who I think is a good coach that could instill discipline & court savvy to the players. Then they now have a naturalized player-something that they don't have in the past. If Qatar was competitive vs. Lebanon in the past years, wouldn't be logical to expect that Qatar would even be more competitive now that they already have a naturalized player?

So for instance, Lebanon has beaten Qatar for the last 8 years by an average margin of let's say 4 to 6 pts., would you be sure that the outcome of Lebanese vs. Qatar game in August will be the same?

That's precisely my point. You just can't use the past games of Lebanon vs. Qatar to assess how these 2 teams will match-up against each other in the upcoming 2013 Asian Championship becoz a lot has changed for the 2 teams. How sure are you that new Lebanese naturalized player Loren Woods would play in good harmony with superstar Fadi El Khatib & the rest of the team? How sure are you that Loren Woods would be as effective as his predecessors Joe Vogel & Jackson Vroman? How sure are you that Jullian Khazzouh will be as effective as Brian Beshara Feghali? On the other hand, one can't tell what difference Qatar's new naturalized player Jarvis Hayes & coach Wiseman could bring to the team.

Do you expect Qatar to have stagnated?

BTW, how do you know that Qatar's style of game remain the same & they don't have anything new except their naturalized player? Have you watched their game lately?

Talking about Qatari having "old" players. Aren't Loren Woods & Fadi El Khatib also old?

Please ponder on this Danny. China used to dominate Iran in the past countless of years. Iran was no match vs. China just a decade ago. But not anymore!

Nothing stagnates in this world my friend.

Every edition of Asian Championship brings new challenge to every participating teams.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

hmm..i think Jamskie is correct..you are taking Qatar for granted but its irrelevant anyway what you think coz you are just a spectator like all of us here, unless if your players and coaches think like you..but frankly speaking, if JK will join only after Jones Cup and some of your players, i think (which as i have said is irrelevant what i am thinking), Qatar will give you a good fight in the first round..considering you will be making JK as a vital player in your team..i would not be surprise of an upset..its not that you are beaten by the better Qatar if it happens but rather you have beaten yourself..but its a long shot though but not impossible.

I like to ask you a question kabayan: How would you react reading a post by a Filipino poster that says, "Japan is not a threat to our team. We need not to worry against Japan becoz we had beaten them several times in the past editions of FIBA-Asia Men's Championship"?

 

[Rico1012]

the way i see it is like lebanon nt is confident that they can beat qatar similar to ph nt is confident beating chinese taepei

 

[JAMSKIE2]

the way i see it is like lebanon nt is confident that they can beat qatar similar to ph nt is confident beating chinese taepei

I think you're right. But somehow, I would strongly disagree with a Filipino poster who would say like "I don't see Taiwan as a threat to Philippine team."

I would interpret that statement as a false sense of security or worse, "arrogance"".

 

[mavrick_h2]

There goes the clincher! You don't see Qatar as a threat to Lebanon, yet you don't expect Lebanon to beat Qatar easily?

I wonder how, for the sake of rational thinking & sanity, would you be able to reconcile such very contradicting theories. This is an absolute paradox, or worse absolute stupidity.

It's like the Miami Heat players saying, "We've never felt threatened by the San Antonio Spurs"

You clearly can't understand what i'm saying and the other guys as well. It's not a contradicting theories. Any wise man knows there's always a slight chance for any underdog to win the favourite team. I'm saying It's hard for me to see that in this case. That's all!

 

[mavrick_h2]

I like to ask you a question kabayan: How would you react reading a post by a Filipino poster that says, "Japan is not a threat to our team. We need not to worry against Japan becoz we had beaten them several times in the past editions of FIBA-Asia Men's Championship"?

That's not the case here. I've wrote that on the facts that Qatar still has the same team (+naturalized player now) and we are familiar with their game. I can't simply say things like without having obvious facts in front of me. I was concerned more about the Japanese side. Why?! I don't have enough facts that proves we can easily win the game against them. because simply their team keep changing over time and run a different basketball game on every occasion.

 

[mavrick_h2]

That's precisely my point. You just can't use the past games of Lebanon vs. Qatar to assess how these 2 teams will match-up against each other in the upcoming 2013 Asian Championship becoz a lot has changed for the 2 teams. How sure are you that new Lebanese naturalized player Loren Woods would play in good harmony with superstar Fadi El Khatib & the rest of the team? How sure are you that Loren Woods would be as effective as his predecessors Joe Vogel & Jackson Vroman? How sure are you that Jullian Khazzouh will be as effective as Brian Beshara Feghali? On the other hand, one can't tell what difference Qatar's new naturalized player Jarvis Hayes & coach Wiseman could bring to the team.

Do you expect Qatar to have stagnated?

BTW, how do you know that Qatar's style of game remain the same & they don't have anything new except their naturalized player? Have you watched their game lately?

Talking about Qatari having "old" players. Aren't Loren Woods & Fadi El Khatib also old?

Please ponder on this Danny. China used to dominate Iran in the past countless of years. Iran was no match vs. China just a decade ago. But not anymore!

Nothing stagnates in this world my friend.

Every edition of Asian Championship brings new challenge to every participating teams.

You can't know what Lebanon new team players can bring to the team positively too. Nor you can't tell if the Qatari naturalized player can harm the team more than helping them. No one can guess these things. You keep taking the side you want in the analysis.

Plus Fadi & Lo are old = experience in the team. That's 2 out 12.
In the other side you have a team of 9-10 players the same age of Fadi & Lo.
Please compare the teams equally next time.

China used to dominate everyone. After 2009 she can't dominate everyone and not just Iran. The famous wrong call in the semis 2009 remember? they won the game by 4 pts vs Lebanon. Please don't tell me they were dominating that game.

 

[TrueBluePinoy2]

Hey guys. The discussion is getting out of context and I may have to ask everyone to go back to the thread's intent of providing info regarding the status of the Qatar NT. Thanks.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

You clearly can't understand what i'm saying and the other guys as well. It's not a contradicting theories. Any wise man knows there's always a slight chance for any underdog to win the favourite team. I'm saying It's hard for me to see that in this case. That's all!

How else would one interpret what you have said about the Qatari NT?

You're saying you didn't mean to underestimate the Qataris. And that statement did not mean that you think Lebanon would beat Qatar easily. But come to think of it, most posters (if not all) would interpret your statement exactly the same as I did. Any "wise" man would interpret it that way.

Now, could you blame me for interpreting your statement in the manner that I did?

I think the more appropriate statement should have been like, "While Qatar is a competitive team, I'm confident Lebanon will still beat them in the up coming Asian Championship the same way we beat the Qataris in the past".

That would have been a much more acceptable statement. That statement would have make much more sense than saying, "I don't see Qatar as a threat, but I don't think Lebanon can them Qatar easily".

Its fortunate that it looks like there aren't any Qatari who is a member of IBN. I have yet to encounter a Qatari poster here. I wonder how will a Qatari poster (in case there's any) react to that statement of yours. I'm sure the Qataris will interpret it as though your marginalizing or underestimating their team. I think they will find that statement a bit arrogant.

Sir, believe me, at least 9 out of 10 posters here will interpret your statement the same way I did.

Good day

 

[JAMSKIE2]

That's not the case here. I've wrote that on the facts that Qatar still has the same team (+naturalized player now) and we are familiar with their game. I can't simply say things like without having obvious facts in front of me. I was concerned more about the Japanese side. Why?! I don't have enough facts that proves we can easily win the game against them. because simply their team keep changing over time and run a different basketball game on every occasion.

Sir, define "easy win".

If Lebanon beats Qatar by about 4 to 6 points while the game has been close all throughout, would you consider that as an "easy win"?

Just asking.

You said, "their (the Qataris) team keep changing over time and run a different basketball game on every occasion", I just want to emphasize that this statement contradicts Daniab's statement who said, "Their (the Qataris) style of basketball remain the same".

 

[mavrick_h2]

Sir, define "easy win".

If Lebanon beats Qatar by about 4 to 6 points while the game has been close all throughout, would you consider that as an "easy win"?

Just asking.

You said, "their (the Qataris) team keep changing over time and run a different basketball game on every occasion", I just want to emphasize that this statement contradicts Daniab's statement who said, "Their (the Qataris) style of basketball remain the same".

Easy wins aren't measured by points. A team can be leading the entire game by 15 pts and at the end of the game where the main players are substitute the gap could go down very fast.

I didn't say the Qataris...that statement was to point out the Japanese NT. Please read well!

 

[mavrick_h2]

How else would one interpret what you have said about the Qatari NT?

You're saying you didn't mean to underestimate the Qataris. And that statement did not mean that you think Lebanon would beat Qatar easily. But come to think of it, most posters (if not all) would interpret your statement exactly the same as I did. Any "wise" man would interpret it that way.

Now, could you blame me for interpreting your statement in the manner that I did?

I think the more appropriate statement should have been like, "While Qatar is a competitive team, I'm confident Lebanon will still beat them in the up coming Asian Championship the same way we beat the Qataris in the past".

That would have been a much more acceptable statement. That statement would have make much more sense than saying, "I don't see Qatar as a threat, but I don't think Lebanon can them Qatar easily".

Its fortunate that it looks like there aren't any Qatari who is a member of IBN. I have yet to encounter a Qatari poster here. I wonder how will a Qatari poster (in case there's any) react to that statement of yours. I'm sure the Qataris will interpret it as though your marginalizing or underestimating their team. I think they will find that statement a bit arrogant.

Sir, believe me, at least 9 out of 10 posters here will interpret your statement the same way I did.

Good day

I still stand on what I said earlier no matter what others think (no offense). Whether you nor other IBN members nor non existing Qatari members.

 

[Khalid802]

Guys you've been debating with each other for the whole past week and have managed to write 3 pages combined.

Why don't you just agree to disagree since it seems you won't be able to reach a common consensus. Thanks.

 

[Rico1012]

Still a Better Love Story than Twilight

 

[leb-basket2]

I was actually enjoying this :/