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Preparation Games for Eurobasket 2011

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basically, what I saw yesterday from the turkish team, is a uni-dimensional game. i.e. depending on who's in, the ball will go there.

For example, when Turkoglu is in, the ball will go to him and he will take a screen and shoot. When, Ilyashova is in, the same.
When Asik is in, there will be a pic-n-roll, and he will try to get close to the basket will a shorter opponent.

These are all great on paper, but a team who did its homework, will find out millions of ways to counter the Turkish attacks.

There is no off-the-ball movement, no diversity and imagination in attacks...

I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.
 
iskoch said:
I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...
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The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT topic;

There is something serious is going on with turkey. It's not about their basketball(there is none anyway). They look like they don't wanna be there! Hope it's not a power struggle in the team again like it happened a few years ago. Once we start having more than 1-2 players with bigger egos, it is kinda inevitable to happen. Also winning a medal has always been a curse for turkish players in maybe every sports. they give up so easily afterwards.
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Debord said:
The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT topic;
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banou7 said:
There is no doubt that what we saw was abnormal. My objection lays on the cause: I don't think that it was a strategy move (trying to make things fuzzy and hide all of the systems). I suppose Turkey's coach was held hostitage by the appetite of turkish stars...
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Shortly we have a strange team. :D
I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say. :D
 
Kalashnikov said:
I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.
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Couldn't agree more. Yes, zone defense could be one of the sets that could have been hidden. Especially if you consider that greek teams have traditionally problems facing zone defense.

But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...

iskoch said:
I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say. :D
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Of course this is the right attitude. We are only judging from the problematic picture that we have seen so far. I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall :rolleyes:
 
banou7 said:
I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall :rolleyes:
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Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...
 
plato-ny said:
Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...
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That is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that last year's preparation games were awful and they did manage to find chemistry during the Worldchampionship. I think that the victory against Greece was the psychological turning point of the hosts in their way to the Final.
 
David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...;)
 
vaslover said:
David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...;)
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yes he is :) but that was true, wasn't it?:eek:
 
banou7 said:
But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...
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As opposed to...
I have yet to see a easily flowing team offence from Turkey in the last ten years since they have become relevant. The main reason for this is that in all this time not once did they have a good ball distributing playmaker. When they had good defence they had good results, when not bad, but the offence was always the same: give the ball to the star and hope he makes something out of it. When you look at their team every single player from their starting five is a top 5 player at his position in Europe. But as a team they just dont click. If they traded Turkoglu for Teodosic for instance they would be a 75% better team.
 
I don't agree about all these conspiracy theories of the Turkish NT. It's plain and simple. Turkey is a team which needs momentum to perform well. Insofar they don't have momentum and they are under performing. However, their momentum is won mainly by playing hard defense. Defense is the key to which they are relying.

Here comes the bogus part. Turkey may think that they will have better results in the official tournament because they will play hard defense, but they shouldn't forget that they can play only as hard as the referees allow them. Last year Turkey was the home team and the refs allowed them to play their tough game, but away from home it will be different. So building up momentum may turn out to be very hard for this Turkish National team.

As for these exhibition games. I could see that some Turkish players were annoyed at the end.
 
ok london tournament is being broadcasted on website of the english newspaper telegraph, only for uk users of course...anyone hit us with some links?? france croatia australia serbia interesting games
 
Our Šport TV 1&2 will broadcast these two games, so I'm sure there will be some links available. Also Spain:Slovenia at 19:30 CET via TVSLO2.
 
After the first half Turkey looks a lot different. Looks a lot more concentrated in defence and moving the ball a lot faster, still the team is shooting very poorly but Omer Asik is dominating and Enes Kanter finally scored and rebounded.

We needed a fairly weaker team to gain some momentum. Hope this game will do it.
 
KWSN-Men said:
One more lucky punch from Greece against Turkey... :rolleyes:
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Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.
 
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