PLEASE Do Not Support FIBA Anymore

[s-e-e2]

I agree, some act like Turkey came out of no where or something..defeated Spain & Serbia in Poland last year (should have defeated Greece , this year they finish the job). For a host country with a good roster, I thought Turkey got relatively little or not enough hype, at least here in the U.S (Spain & Greece over hyped). As most would say the match with Serbia had suspect events, but not much more. They were a viable threat to medal, and that's what they did. And imo Puerto Rico was closer to Greece than Greece was to Turkey in their respective matches.

I certainly agree. Last years eurobasket in Poland should have given a message to some. We played some great games, beat Spain and Serbia which took the gold and the silver. That unfortunate defeat against Greece in the 1/4f which came with additional 5min was the end of the tournament for us. The players were so eager to take a place on the podium, they just didn't concentrate in the 5-8 position games and lost both. That was pretty much psychological. But for those who watched the tournament the message should have been received.
And in this WC we qualified from the group easily, which actually isn't a hard task for any good team. Then we dominated France in the second round. And in the 1/4f we dominated Slovenia. In both games the final quarters were nothing but an opportunity for training and refreshing. IMO a team reaching to the semi final stage so easily in a WC should take more respect.

Now the next eurobasket which will be organised in Lithuania is an opportunity for the Turkish NT to prove it's success in the WC wasn't a coinsidence. A medal of any kind should be the main target. Even if a medal is not reached, some good basketball must be played. And in the long term, new players with good skills should join to show this is not a single generation work.

 

[s-e-e2]

What a joke about this game.......I watch the game again to see about all the fuss my PR friends were having but I could not see ANY foul that was not, or any 50-50 decision that went to Greece's way. NONE, not a single one.
I dare anybody to put it here on video if there is any. In fact, I stand on my words after the game finished: Greece that night won over the hostile croud, refs, and PR.
Unlike Turkey against PR, or Serbia, or Greece, or.....

I wish it was possible to rewatch the TURvsGRE game together with you. I wonder how you analyse Jungebranditis's desicions.

 

[PRSURF2]

What a joke about this game.......I watch the game again to see about all the fuss my PR friends were having but I could not see ANY foul that was not, or any 50-50 decision that went to Greece's way. NONE, not a single one.
I dare anybody to put it here on video if there is any. In fact, I stand on my words after the game finished: Greece that night won over the hostile croud, refs, and PR.
Unlike Turkey against PR, or Serbia, or Greece, or.....

Your are dumb?, how can not accept the you beat us because the reff push?, all of the highlights out there jump final minutes you know why???, because the only points from greece in the final 4 minutes where FT.......YES, ONLY FU@#% FREE THROWS!

Bro, your blind fanatic, more than me!!


All your last 13 points was from free throws, greeks don't made a Field goal after Spanoulis 3 pointer.

 

[Victorious2]

Your are dumb?, how can not accept the you beat us because the reff push?, all of the highlights out there jump final minutes you know why???, because the only points from greece in the final 4 minutes where FT.......YES, ONLY FU@#% FREE THROWS!

Bro, your blind fanatic, more than me!!


All your last 13 points was from free throws, greeks don't made a Field goal after Spanoulis 3 pointer.

Show us the parts of the game where Greece (according to you) is favoured, and tell us which decisions were inaccurate. How many freethrows Greece shot is irrelevant. Whether the decisions were accurate or not is what matters. Make your case!

 

[Den2]

Respect what?.. A team, which can not win anything at least they're playing at home with some obvious support from the refs?
Although, I respect certain Turkish players, actually most of them, except for Asik, obviously..

Well, dont forget to mention that in the last Eurobasket 2009 in Poland Turkey lost in the quarter final to Greece in over time thanks to some ref. support for the latter team.

What such comments seem to ignore is Turkish national is not a historically successful team in basketball, only in 2000's it has the chance to win medals in such tournaments. Yet, after 2001 tournament internal competition, disputes and ego related problems of three leading players Hedo, Mehmet Okur and İbrahim Kutluay unfortunately ensured that the team will not be able to win in major tournaments. That is why actually Tanjevic did not call Okur to the team for Eurobasket 2009 when he has no injury.

 

[Victorious2]

Well, dont forget to mention that in the last Eurobasket 2009 in Poland Turkey lost in the quarter final to Greece in over time thanks to some ref. support for the latter team.

Subjective! I´m sure the Greeks would say the same if it was the way around.

 

[artorius2]

yeah dont support the fiba anymore.cause they dont protect their golden boys anymore.

 

[AlYuson2]

That would be fine..why don't establish your own world basketball organization boys

 

[fdlmania2]

FIBA is always favor of Serbia and Greece.That is a rule..

 

[b3lowzro2]

WIKILEAKS, Interbasket edition

 

[leb-basket2]

Fiba supports the strongest. Lebanon was supposed to host the 2011 asian championship!

china lost to iran last year so they decided to recover and asked to host the championship instead of lebanon. And boom the championship was transfered from beirut towards a chinese city. If lebanon did so would fiba agree ?

Oh and lebanon vs spain (WC game) referees cheated and fouled out jackson vroman who killed marc gazol under the paint!

It's a joke who ever pays more wins!

(qatar national team is full of naturalized africans) oh i almost forgot fiba asia's president is also qatari!

thumbs down for FIBA though we had our wild card but still it's not a reason to support fiba

 

[rocketstar472]

FIBA Suckz!!!!! instead of choosing other countries to host the asian championship 2011 they choose again CHINA how come????????

 

[cardenales2]

SEE, Did Turkey won the first stage of group easily!!!!!!! Are you sure!!!!!!!! Puerto Rico give Turkey a big scare, Puerto Rico won the first half all the way and after Turkey dominate the third quarter easily Puerto Rico came back in the fourth quarter and get short for only two points. Man, really, Did Turkey won the first stage easy?

Greece vs. Puerto Rico, common this game was a steal in favor of Greece. The game is 77-75 Greece ahead and Nathan Peavey with the ball attack the basket and Bourrossi jump to block the shot and hit him with the elbow in the head, plus Bourrossi with one hand look for the rebound and with the other one was holding Peavey and move him around. No foul is call instead the ref call a technical to Cintron which put Greece in the free throws and that was it. It is so obvious that in the highlights they never show the foul instead they show the ref calling the technical. That call ends Puerto Rico chance to win.

 

[Levenspiel2]

SEE, Did Turkey won the first stage of group easily!!!!!!! Are you sure!!!!!!!! Puerto Rico give Turkey a big scare, Puerto Rico won the first half all the way and after Turkey dominate the third quarter easily Puerto Rico came back in the fourth quarter and get short for only two points. Man, really, Did Turkey won the first stage easy?

even if we had lost to PR, we would still get the first place, so it's safe to say it was easy. I didn't watch it, but PR game was definitely close. I believe the referee complaint be might right as well, but it wouldn't change anything for Turkey in terms of ranking.

After all this noise, I downloaded the infamous Serbia-Turkey SF game. I'm watching it for the first time. First half is absolutely clean. I'll write my full impression when i finish the whole game.

 

[Levenspiel2]

So, I finished watching the game. There's nothing to talk about the first 3 quarters. So my notes on the last 10mins. There were a few calls that could go both ways, so i skip them (Keselj's foul on rebound, Kerem Gonlum offensive foul etc).

- Two fouls on Markovic (one blocking foul and the rebounding) were wrong.

- Omer Asik got a hit in his eye, but then decided to pull a stunt. It was a very stupid act, but Arslan could get 1 of 2 fts, so no real gain here. Still, it was plain annoying, but you cannot blame the refs here.

- Teodosic was trying too hard to get fouls but they were so obvious that even FIBA tv commentators mocked him, who were actually worshiping his game. These and a few others changed the psychology though, creating a victim scenario in their fans' eyes.

- Krstic foul on Semih Erden's last minute lay-up was wrong. He stretched then pulled back his hand. Could be honest mistake. Erden missed his FT anyway.

- The last sec play: Nobody thought Tunceri stepped on the line. There was a top view camera and it looks clean. Damn, no Serbian even objected. I hope the later photo showing his foot on the line is not fake (remember the photoshopped photo of Asik's block on Llull's last sec lay-up in Eurobasket2009, some people can get really low). In any case it's bad luck for Serbia. Hardly a ref mistake.

All in all, I feel much better after seeing this that we actually did not steal anything, but won a big game against a very very good opponent. But on the other hand, I'm disappointed at IBN, to be honest.

 

[GL32]

So, I finished watching the game. There's nothing to talk about the first 3 quarters. So my notes on the last 10mins. There were a few calls that could go both ways, so i skip them (Keselj's foul on rebound, Kerem Gonlum offensive foul etc).

- Two fouls on Markovic (one blocking foul and the rebounding) were wrong.

- Omer Asik got a hit in his eye, but then decided to pull a stunt. It was a very stupid act, but Arslan could get 1 of 2 fts, so no real gain here. Still, it was plain annoying, but you cannot blame the refs here.

- Teodosic was trying too hard to get fouls but they were so obvious that even FIBA tv commentators mocked him, who were actually worshiping his game. These and a few others changed the psychology though, creating a victim scenario in their fans' eyes.

- Krstic foul on Semih Erden's last minute lay-up was wrong. He stretched then pulled back his hand. Could be honest mistake. Erden missed his FT anyway.

- The last sec play: Nobody thought Tunceri stepped on the line. There was a top view camera and it looks clean. Damn, no Serbian even objected. I hope the later photo showing his foot on the line is not fake (remember the photoshopped photo of Asik's block on Llull's last sec lay-up in Eurobasket2009, some people can get really low). In any case it's bad luck for Serbia. Hardly a ref mistake.

All in all, I feel much better after seeing this that we actually did not steal anything, but won a big game against a very very good opponent. But on the other hand, I'm disappointed at IBN, to be honest.

No need for hard feelings friend. You are a basketball nation on the rise and that is a fact nobody can take away from you. Everyone understanding the true value of basketball development around the world agrees that the steps forward made since the beginning of the 90's are truly remarkable. And he feels that they are welcome on the global scene too.

To make a long story short, I believe the tournament was excellent as far as organization is concerned. The level of basketball displayed could obviously have been better without the absence of some major stars and some unfortunate situations (the Greece-Serbia brawl litteraly drained the Greek team emotionally and did not allow them to find their rythm on the court, whereas Serbia performed poorly in all their games until the QF), but that does not change the fact that Turkey was the third best team in the tournament after the US and Serbia. Most importantly though they have established themselves clearly as a top 8 team worlwide in the last 2 years (USA, Argentina, Serbia, Lithuania, Greece, Spain and Brazil, Slovenia and Russia being right behind), a progress that could very well lead to something even more impressive in the years to come.

Enjoy your success, the majority of Turkish fans showed they deserve it.

 

[iskoch2]

What a nice topic.
I'm proud to see this here.

We always complained that refs stop us.
This year in Cholet-Fener and Fener-Barca games there were some critical mistakes in the breaking points, against Fener.

If FIBA supports Turkey, that's great I think.
But it seems people think Greece, Spain and Yugoslavia/Serbia should be supported always and only.

NO NO NO...

 

[demonyito2]

try to read FIBA's facebook page and you will find yourself reading more on NBA instead.

also, look how the three point rainbow distance had been adjusted to accomodate NBA's standard.

just some few things we have to look and think about.

Sports is Business

 

[Lebron232]

FIBA Europe Basket/Euroleague/Lakas Fan Yo is a troll.

- He Hated Ricky Rubio, The Americans, and Team USA.

This just now donned on you? How many times did I tell this forum he is OVERRATED. The most overrated player in the HISTORY of Europe.

How many times does it have to be said here before people grasp it?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188972

These are Ricky Rubio's 2010 Spanish ACB League playoff stats (as you can see, he is the most overrated player in all of history):

http://www.acb.com/stsacum.php?cod_equipo=BAR&cod_competicion=LACB&cod_edicion=54

29% FG%
21% 3 PT FG%

4.4 PPG
3.6 APG


Try to understand that to figure out field goal % in Europe - in Europe they count 2 pts and 3 pts separate, you have to ADD the 2 pts and 3 pts together to get the overall field goal % as it is counted in America. In Europe they don't automatically add them together for an overall field goal %.

Americans constantly mistake 2 pts % for overall FG % from European stats. They don't give overall field goal % so you have to add the 2 pts % and 3 pts % together to get what Americans understand to be "field goal %".

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177549

The Euroleague plays a much more serious basketball than the NBA does. That is a fact. The way these Team USA players are performing is proof of that to anyone that is not biased towards the NBA.

Kevin Durant looks like a scrub without refs helping him all game long. The NBA is totally controlled by the refs and the games are scripted to what the league wants for marketing purposes.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188023&page=28

- He overrated the Greek Players. Nikos Galis being better than Michael Jordan.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43024&page=4

- Blind Nationalism is tiresome patriotism.

- I expect him to call me a Xenophobe or a racist.

"Stop Being Xenophobic" - Lakas Fan Yo.

"Racist" - Lakas Fan Yo

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=184293&page=4

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185484&page=3

How old are you bro? You have an agenda. The NBA is still the best professional basketball league in the world. The best players from Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Australia, Middle East, Eurasia, and Asia are playing in the National Basketball Association.

Team USA won the Gold Medal in the 2008 Olympics, and 2010 FIBA World Championship.

 

[CKR132]

Ish

Ish

I remember Lakas Fan Yo on ISH. We had a lot of heated arguments with him on ISH and the ESPN boards. Fun times.

Sometimes LFY's threads are comical relief if you do not take him seriously. Speak something good about Michalis Kakiouzis or Nick Calathes and he will agree with you. I invited him here on IBN a month ago. It is a shame that he did not respond.

Sometimes LFY does make valid points. On the EL forums, that I agree.