Players that we can have naturalized

[JAMSKIE2]

Bennie Boatwright has agreed to be a naturalization candidate.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...rt-to-be-naturalized-for-gilas-a1374-20240330

When I saw him play in the PBA, he looked like a defensive liability. He was getting blown by and scored on by Tony Bishop, and isn't much of a defensive presence near the basket. That's the biggest concern I have, our defense.

Boatwright's poor defense is really worrisome. No doubt that offensively he's impressive (though his performance in last conference final series against Magnolia was far from impressive). I just feel that this current version of Gilas under coach Tim Cone doesn't need a naturalized player who is a big scorer more than it needs someone with decent defensive skills.

While Dray Blatche wasn't known as a decent defender in the NBA, I think by Asia-Oceania standards, Blatche' defense was decent enough.

 

[Sikatrix2]

SBP really doesn't like Ange,best thing to do is release the guy from his citizenship and let anothe SEA Game country have him.

Why the hell would we do that? How is that in the best interest of Gilas?

 

[GoPilipinas2]

Its the best time for the PBA to consider our Naturalized players as locals.

 

[ARMIR2]

Why the hell would we do that? How is that in the best interest of Gilas?

They clearly doesn't want him to play at all,considering he had elevated his skills to Euro level basketball,SBP doesn't like since he's a Tab guy,so let him go and he can play wherever he wants,besides aren't you confident that between Boatwright and JB they can handle an irrelevant NP led country in SEA.

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

It’s all about planning for the right NP for a particular tournament. Kouame will be serviceable when BLeague boys like Sotto and Edu are not available. Case in point the last Asian Games.

Kouame is still valuable. And I don’t think the SBP does not like him.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

It’s all about planning for the right NP for a particular tournament. Kouame will be serviceable when BLeague boys like Sotto and Edu are not available. Case in point the last Asian Games.

Kouame is still valuable. And I dont think the SBP does not like him.

Sir TBC,

majority of those Grandpas in that NSA doesn't like CTB.

that is why.

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

Sir TBC,

majority of those Grandpas in that NSA doesn't like CTB.

that is why.

So what if Tab is not liked by some people? It doesn’t mean Kouame is not liked also. This logic is absurd. And if that’s the case Kouame should have not been lined up in the Asian Games.

It boils down to certain factors like player availability, system fit and in Kouame’s case, redundancy. Kouame can play the positions of Sotto, Edu or Fajardo. And if Sotto, Edu and Fajardo are all available it makes Kouame’s chances slim to play in a particular tournament.

 

[Sikatrix2]

They clearly doesn't want him to play at all,considering he had elevated his skills to Euro level basketball,SBP doesn't like since he's a Tab guy,so let him go and he can play wherever he wants,besides aren't you confident that between Boatwright and JB they can handle an irrelevant NP led country in SEA.

Even if what your saying is true and they dont like him why should we help our rivals like that?

 

[IPC2]

Why the hell would we do that? How is that in the best interest of Gilas?

Yeah, we will still need Ange as a reserve NP. Pool of NP's, e.

 

[IPC2]

It’s all about planning for the right NP for a particular tournament. Kouame will be serviceable when BLeague boys like Sotto and Edu are not available. Case in point the last Asian Games.

Kouame is still valuable. And I don’t think the SBP does not like him.

Sir TBC,

majority of those Grandpas in that NSA doesn't like CTB.

that is why.

So what if Tab is not liked by some people? It doesn’t mean Kouame is not liked also. This logic is absurd. And if that’s the case Kouame should have not been lined up in the Asian Games.

It boils down to certain factors like player availability, system fit and in Kouame’s case, redundancy. Kouame can play the positions of Sotto, Edu or Fajardo. And if Sotto, Edu and Fajardo are all available it makes Kouame’s chances slim to play in a particular tournament.

​​I think it's a matter of finding a go-to guy type of NP. I'll agree with sir The_Big_Cat, we still have June Mar, Kai, and AJ all available, chances of Ange getting picked are slim. And JB helps us out on defense.

But I think, after JB retires (and maybe June Mar along with him), there are a lot of holes to be filled. A third center (June Mar), a 4 or 5 capable of defending and cleaning up after the others (JB; AJ's currently the only other player capable of that), and a go-to guy (JB).

 

[IPC2]

Bennie Boatwright has agreed to be a naturalization candidate.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...rt-to-be-naturalized-for-gilas-a1374-20240330

When I saw him play in the PBA, he looked like a defensive liability. He was getting blown by and scored on by Tony Bishop, and isn't much of a defensive presence near the basket. That's the biggest concern I have, our defense.

Cone says Boatwright is the backup if he's naturalized: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ty3nFXu4zVzAAeZQ/?mibextid=xfxF2i

Probably the successor.

 

[ARMIR2]

Even if what your saying is true and they dont like him why should we help our rivals like that?

How you gonna forbid Kouame to make a living thru basketball?

 

[Sikatrix2]

How you gonna forbid Kouame to make a living thru basketball?

He already is making a living through basketball. What kind of argument is that?

 

[ja.he2]

SBP really didn’t like ange..

Maybe it's the coach. Ange is Tab's guy. He values defense and rebounding. Chot and Cone probably are looking for Brownlees/ do it all forward. I would have prefer Ange or an upgraded version of Ange. To be fair I also prefer to have another PG in the team like Bolick so what do I know.

SBP really doesn't like Ange,best thing to do is release the guy from his citizenship and let anothe SEA Game country have him.

Why the hell would we do that? How is that in the best interest of Gilas?

They clearly doesn't want him to play at all,considering he had elevated his skills to Euro level basketball,SBP doesn't like since he's a Tab guy,so let him go and he can play wherever he wants,besides aren't you confident that between Boatwright and JB they can handle an irrelevant NP led country in SEA.

It’s all about planning for the right NP for a particular tournament. Kouame will be serviceable when BLeague boys like Sotto and Edu are not available. Case in point the last Asian Games.

Kouame is still valuable. And I don’t think the SBP does not like him.

Even if what your saying is true and they dont like him why should we help our rivals like that?

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How you gonna forbid Kouame to make a living thru basketball?

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He already is making a living through basketball. What kind of argument is that?

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The better solution here is to try the case of Ange for a possible FIBA exemption. There is nothing wrong if SBP tries. They tried it to players that did not do much for the national team (Lutz, Slaughter). Why not for the case of Ange?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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The better solution here is to try the case of Ange for a possible FIBA exemption. There is nothing wrong if SBP tries. They tried it to players that did not do much for the national team (Lutz, Slaughter). Why not for the case of Ange?

Correct.
It also included players who were granted exemption that came late already as in the case of Chris Newsome, Maverick Ahanmisi, Greg Slaughter. How we wish such exemption came 3 or 4 years earlier.

 

[Metta2]

If Boatwright did not have injuries during college, he would most likely be in the nba. Offensively, he's a modern big who is versatile and can shoot 3s at a high %.

Defensively, foot speed is not great probably because of the injuries and wingspan is also not that long. But he is still 6'10 and moves fairly well. Andre Blatche-lite is a good comp.

I remember him playing almost at the same time in the Pac-12 as Hawkinson (Japan NP) and both had about the same size and can shoot. Boatwright achieved an All-Pac 12 1st team while Hawkinson only reached 3rd team. However, Hawkinson was a much better rebounder and defender.

So based on this selection, it seems we went with an offensive NP instead of a defensive one. Another option could have been a younger NP who has 2-way potential.

 

[IPC2]

If Boatwright did not have injuries during college, he would most likely be in the nba. Offensively, he's a modern big who is versatile and can shoot 3s at a high %.

Defensively, foot speed is not great probably because of the injuries and wingspan is also not that long. But he is still 6'10 and moves fairly well. Andre Blatche-lite is a good comp.

I remember him playing almost at the same time in the Pac-12 as Hawkinson (Japan NP) and both had about the same size and can shoot. Boatwright achieved an All-Pac 12 1st team while Hawkinson only reached 3rd team. However, Hawkinson was a much better rebounder and defender.

So based on this selection, it seems we went with an offensive NP instead of a defensive one. Another option could have been a younger NP who has 2-way potential.

Honestly, Bennie could be a good fit if AJ Edu weren't the only big capable of cleaning up after the others on defense, and he were almost surely available for NT meets. But with the current crop of talent that we have, a two-way player at 4 would have been a better fit. Now we'll have to rely on the development of Kai on defense, as well as our perimeter defenders in Scottie, Oftana, Dwight, and Newsome (who turns 34 in July).

In our context, it's harder to build a consistent roster around an offensive-minded player as the NP.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

So what if Tab is not liked by some people? It doesn't mean Kouame is not liked also. This logic is absurd. And if that's the case Kouame should have not been lined up in the Asian Games.

It boils down to certain factors like player availability, system fit and in Kouame's case, redundancy. Kouame can play the positions of Sotto, Edu or Fajardo. And if Sotto, Edu and Fajardo are all available it makes Kouame's chances slim to play in a particular tournament.

Sir TBC,

I fully respect your take about that “logic being absurd”. That’s your call.

One of the main reason(s) why AK34 was included in that AG line-up aside from the fact that Kai and AJ was not available that time bec. of their B. League commitment and they HAD NO CHOICE but to tap the guy because we badly need some length in the frontcourt and SBP are anticipating that other countries will parade unlimited numbers of naturalized guys and SBP learned their lessons from that Cambodia SEAG. OBLIGADO TALAGA, they are forced to do it because JMF and Japs cannot hold the 4 and 5 spots for the whole tournament.

SBP just want to maximize the rules of the Hangzhou organizers about eligibility.

We had different perspective/opinion about player’s availability, system fit and redundancy and for me personally I don’t think AK34 is an excess on the program or unfit to the system, it’s just that CTC had other plans and ideas and we cannot argue he is the designated national coach. Besides AK34 are not yet exempted by FIBA.

It’s an open secret that many of the Grandpas in the PBA, SBP and few local coaches are not cool with CTB thus many people close to the man are directly and indirectly affected by those actions.

When news brokeout that SBP and SMC are seriously lobbying for JB’s local exemption at FIBA, many people including me had that impression “Ha??? Seryoso?? May ganyan palang galawan..trans. indeed nepotism is really part of the game, obviously we all know it just clowning thing at the FIBA’s desk, it won’t prosper.

All I can say is that actions speaks louder than words and everytime I’ve seen people doing things thru actions to avoid getting caught in the mouth, that’s a clever thing to do.

Can’t explain everything word by word, statement by statement.

Just observing other people’s actions and behavior.

That is why.​

 

[magic_chiongson2]

at this point my reaction to boatwright is just better than nothing. but i hope they naturalize more especially 2-way bigs and not stop with 3 players in the pool

 

[CoJ2]

Atleast boatwright is relatively young (27), good for atleast 2 fiba cycles.

SBP's budget must be tight these days, Boatwright is a downgrade from a prime blatch but its something..


With a lot of gilas players coming from overseas leagues, money had to be spread (RE:, insurance premiums)