Players that we can have naturalized

[analyzed2]

Yes exception is for passport holders, so assuming those African imports are Philippine passport holders then technically if theyre living, studying college (as teenagers) and playing yes they will be exempted.

It's not really taking advantage of the rule, if citizenship is really granted to immigrants who live and study at a young age in a country. They're not getting citizenship because of basketball but because the law grants citizenship to long time residents raised in the country

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Yes exception is for passport holders, so assuming those African imports are Philippine passport holders then technically if theyre living, studying college (as teenagers) and playing yes they will be exempted.

It's not really taking advantage of the rule, if citizenship is really granted to immigrants who live and study at a young age in a country. They're not getting citizenship because of basketball but because the law grants citizenship to long time residents raised in the country

I see. So Kouame has high chance of being eligible. Why SBP is NATURALIZING kouame if they want to make him local? Is that a rule for exemptio for foreign players living here?

 

[barok espinoza2]

I see. So Kouame has high chance of being eligible. Why SBP is NATURALIZING kouame if they want to make him local? Is that a rule for exemptio for foreign players living here?

He is being naturalized because he is an ivorian citizen and is currently holding an ivorian passport. a government only issues passports to citizens of its country. suffice it to say, kouame is not a filipino citizen yet so we cannot just issue a ph passport to his name.

countries have different naturalization proceedings. in some countries, it's as easy as applying for a driver's license as long as you have qualified for the terms and conditions prescribed by their laws like residency etc...

in the philippines it is a much more stringent process.

 

[analyzed2]

In the Philippines the means for acquisition of citizenship and passport for foreign nationals is non other than Congress naturalization. In other countries it is just part of the normal process for gaining citizenship

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

In other words, it is our own law that giving us a hard time to let our fil foreign players have exemption. How sad.

 

[analyzed2]

In other words, it is our own law that giving us a hard time to let our fil foreign players have exemption. How sad.

More accuratly it's hard to acquire Philippines citizenship for foreigns. "Foreigners" are not entitled to FIBA exceptions in any country

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

speaking of exemption, is kouame the only one we are working to apply?

 

[analyzed2]

speaking of exemption, is kouame the only one we are working to apply?

1st were not working on Kouame exception yet, need to naturalize him 1st

Im sure there are other Philippine passport holders, maybe Remy, the ineligibles who are teenagers are also prospect

 

[Alex072]

I see. So Kouame has high chance of being eligible. Why SBP is NATURALIZING kouame if they want to make him local? Is that a rule for exemption for foreign players living here?

remember citizenship laws of the Philippines does not translate to the definition of FIBA eligibility rules.To make it simple, we call him naturalized player, they call him a local player. I hope SBP would also look at the fact that he may be regarded as a Marginal Case [1] (Just like Thon Maker and Giannis [2]). I hope they would arrange his papers in accordance with 1951 Refugee Convention requirements.

sources:
[1]Marginal Cases
34. Decisions on marginal cases are the responsibility of the Secretary General following consultation with the Chairman of the FIBA Legal Commission.
The same shall apply with respect to refugees enjoying asylum rights and displaced persons (UN Conventions).
In certain cases, FIBA nationality may be granted to a player. http://www.fiba.basketball/downloads/v3_expe/agen/docs/3-ELIGIBILITY-NATIONAL-STATUS-of- PLAYERS.pdf

[2]Giannis Through the Eyes of Milwaukee Refugees by Danny Chau https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/15/18624331/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-refugees-nba-playoffshttps://www.theringer.com/2019/5/15...kounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-refugees-nba-playoffshttps://www.theringer.com/2019/5/15...kounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-refugees-nba-playoffs

 

[Alex072]

Kuoame in Gilas next year will give the team that solid interior defense.He could even chase those quicker guards, that I think is what he has as a slight edge with Kai, Ange has a faster and quicker feet. Kuoame and Greg will give us height even without AJ and Kai, of course Kuoame might be the preferred starter and Greg would have to come off the bench.I think they will be very good addition in the FIBA qualifying windows. Ange at the center with either Go or Erram at the power forward will be a very good sight to see.If the play is 4 out 1 in or 3 out 2 in, either Erram or Go could shoot the three's at a good percentage of making it along with other shooters, Ange can always be our Junmar Fajardo waiting for the offensive rebounds.If Kuoame was already playing for Gilas in the Indonesia game,maybe we would have beaten them by at least 40.I could just Imagine Kuoame with Erram,D.Ramos,T.Ravena and CJ Perez on the floor at the same time.

 

[curtaincall2]

Players that have been exempted so far and the age they resided in their country and the time they were exempted.

New Zealand
Isaac Fotu 7yrs old - 17yrs old
Yuat Alok 8yrs old - Left NZ for US when he was young

Philippines
Greg Slaughter 19yrs old - 30yrs old
Matthew Wright 17yrs old - 17yrs old/25yrs old
James Spencer 17yrs old - 19yrs old

Italy
Nicola Akele birth - 18yrs old
I remember there were 2 More african players that represents italy. Just forgot their names

 

[Alex072]

Players that have been exempted so far and the age they resided in their country and the time they were exempted.

New Zealand
Isaac Fotu 7yrs old - 17yrs old
Yuat Alok 8yrs old - Left NZ for US when he was young

Philippines
Greg Slaughter 19yrs old - 30yrs old
Matthew Wright 17yrs old - 17yrs old/25yrs old
James Spencer 17yrs old - 19yrs old

Italy
Nicola Akele birth - 18yrs old
I remember there were 2 More african players that represents italy. Just forgot their names

was it 19 or 17? I think he was in Cebu already at around 17 years old. Wright might not be covered by the Hagop rule when he played for the U-17 team, and to think that he played for the U-17, "maybe" he could have acquired his passport at 16 or younger. Now, all the guys that you mentioned in the Philippines are considered natural born citizens, meaning they don't need to be naturalized in able for them to get a passport.

 

[analyzed2]

was it 19 or 17? I think he was in Cebu already at around 17 years old. Wright might not be covered by the Hagop rule when he played for the U-17 team, and to think that he played for the U-17, "maybe" he could have acquired his passport at 16 or younger. Now, all the guys that you mentioned in the Philippines are considered natural born citizens, meaning they don't need to be naturalized in able for them to get a passport.

Wright got his passport at 17 yrs old , when he got clearance all info was provided (including U18 representation and age he got passport), FIBA decided to clear him based on all information provided.

 

[curtaincall2]

was it 19 or 17? I think he was in Cebu already at around 17 years old. Wright might not be covered by the Hagop rule when he played for the U-17 team, and to think that he played for the U-17, "maybe" he could have acquired his passport at 16 or younger. Now, all the guys that you mentioned in the Philippines are considered natural born citizens, meaning they don't need to be naturalized in able for them to get a passport.

Greg Moved to Cebu when he was 19. 2007.

Within the Philippines yes. But the other countries I mentioned have produced naturalized exemptions.

 

[magic_chiongson2]

hope jalen green eventually chooses to play for us in the future, even though it's unlikely

 

[Alex072]

Wright got his passport at 17 yrs old , when he got clearance all info was provided (including U18 representation and age he got passport), FIBA decided to clear him based on all information provided.

if they could exempt a player for the playing for the youth team, i think SBP should have done that to Harper Jr. and Artest and maybe Millora-Brown ( but I think he really have some citizenship issues unlike Artest and Harper).

 

[analyzed2]

if they could exempt a player for the playing for the youth team, i think SBP should have done that to Harper Jr. and Artest and maybe Millora-Brown ( but I think he really have some citizenship issues unlike Artest and Harper).

Just to clarify in 2008 the U16 rule wasn't strictly applied
Wright did not get clearance to play for Gilas in 2017 purely on the basis of his youth representation, but all factors were considered

 

[qwertyz2]

Awudu Abass is another example of a foreign national getting exempted. He now plays for Italy. Only got his citizenship at the age of 18.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

hope jalen green eventually chooses to play for us in the future, even though it's unlikely

This is close to impossible.

First, he do not have passport UNTIL NOW.

Second, He played for almost all youth team of usa.

Third, USA and his nba team must also allow him. (Highly unlikely)

Fourth, He already made a choice right? He chose usa youth team instead of batang gilas.

Fifth, He can only play for us as naturalized. I think we need our NP to be a Tall wing player just because we need it more.

I am still greatful to Jalen because he recruited Kai to join the G league(Yes, Jalen suggested him). But I don't think he will play for us

 

[k3ttch2]

Kuya Cardo and his experience as a naturalized player for SoKor:

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/peop...struggles-south-koreas-naturalised-basketball

At least hindi tayo ganoon. We can still be pretty racist and/or discriminatory though (the 5 Fil-for per team in the PBA, MPBL and the Fil-for height limit, naturalized players can’t play as locals).