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interxavierxxx2
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Something I never understood is why MVP's teams in the PBA always underperform.
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Something I never understood is why MVP's teams in the PBA always underperform.
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IPC2
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Something I never understood is why MVP's teams in the PBA always underperform.
Even in the international stage, MVP's PBA players have underperformed. Well, outside of Castro and RDO, two of the key pieces of Gilas 2.0.
Correct me na lang if I'm wrong, though.
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thatweirdguy2
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Man, Semerad is a hell of a player to have. Good jack-of-all trades at 6'4". Can shoot the 3, hustle, and defend the 2, 3, and 4 positions. Could have been our Ping replacement, only with a 3-point shot.
He'd have been a great asset for Gilas.
I remember some 10 years ago someone on PEX said that the Semerad twins were too soft for Philippine basketball (probably because of their looks) some games later the same idiot is complaining that they were dirty players lol. The twins are perfect 3 and D glue guys
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interxavierxxx2
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Even in the international stage, MVP's PBA players have underperformed. Well, outside of Castro and RDO, two of the key pieces of Gilas 2.0.
Correct me na lang if I'm wrong, though.
First name that comes to mind is Troy.
He really struggles as a 4 in international games. Wish he was still in Tab’s pool. Gives him the chance to play the 3 alongside Balti and Carl.
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kaibooster212
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Even in the international stage, MVP's PBA players have underperformed. Well, outside of Castro and RDO, two of the key pieces of Gilas 2.0.
Correct me na lang if I'm wrong, though.
MVP players underperformed in intl competition? Jimmy, Jason and Ranidel was the best player in 2014 World Cup aside from Blatche.. Also, I thought SMC was the one having a hard time adjusting in fiba. Junemar cant dominate, Lassiter last time he played with gilas struggled with his shooting, Barroca struggled defensively against bigger guards. The only players who I think performed really well internationally was Pingris, Tenorio and Japeth. Ofcourse if we include naturalized players CStan and Pringle.
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IPC2
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MVP players underperformed in intl competition? Jimmy, Jason and Ranidel was the best player in 2014 World Cup aside from Blatche.. Also, I thought SMC was the one having a hard time adjusting in fiba. Junemar cant dominate, Lassiter last time he played with gilas struggled with his shooting, Barroca struggled defensively against bigger guards. The only players who I think performed really well internationally was Pingris, Tenorio and Japeth. Ofcourse if we include naturalized players CStan and Pringle.
Hence why I said "aside from Castro and RDO." And, yeah, thanks for reminding me about Jimmy. That guy was key to our success as well.
And, yeah, Barroca struggling in the World Cup. Marcio, hmm, I think we was OK defensively. June Mar naman, he couldn't get touches until later in his Gilas career. However, he did struggle defensively. Pero oo nga, pagdating sa underperformance, this might count.
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IPC2
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I'm afraid for this team after 2023. Who knows, there might be a change of direction. I only hope 2019 doesn't happen again, and there would be less shortsightedness. Sayang naman kung puro All-Stars at the expense of developing high-upside Gilas prospects.
Pero, Chua has a potentially good FIBA coach in Chito Victolero. Tough defense, good for the international level, and has a good track record of developing players. Of the 3 coaches at SMC's disposal, he is the best suited for FIBA play, and defending against the likes of SoKor.
I'd been thinking. If SMC were to manage SBP and the Gilas program, and Victolero were in charge, the problem would lie in the lineup, and probably the prep. Would the lineup be properly-sized, as in, similar to this version of Gilas? Would there be taller players in the forward positions, ala Javi, Navarro, Oftana, Lopez, Tamayo, Baltazar? Would tall players with the potential to develop as perimeter players be developed as perimeter players? Would a 3-guard lineup still be the norm?
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thatweirdguy2
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MVP players underperformed in intl competition? Jimmy, Jason and Ranidel was the best player in 2014 World Cup aside from Blatche.. Also, I thought SMC was the one having a hard time adjusting in fiba. Junemar cant dominate, Lassiter last time he played with gilas struggled with his shooting, Barroca struggled defensively against bigger guards. The only players who I think performed really well internationally was Pingris, Tenorio and Japeth. Ofcourse if we include naturalized players CStan and Pringle.
Tenorio and Japeth were hot or cold. They would really be good in one game and suck the next. Ping was at least consistent with his effort and hustle.
Mario was good with Gilas 1 way better than Lutz. Which is why a lot were clamoring for him to be included with the later iterations of the team. But we knew what happened with him and Barney. Inubo na
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JAMSKIE2
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MVP players underperformed in intl competition? Jimmy, Jason and Ranidel was the best player in 2014 World Cup aside from Blatche.. Also, I thought SMC was the one having a hard time adjusting in fiba. Junemar cant dominate, Lassiter last time he played with gilas struggled with his shooting, Barroca struggled defensively against bigger guards. The only players who I think performed really well internationally was Pingris, Tenorio and Japeth. Ofcourse if we include naturalized players CStan and Pringle.
Maybe some of us here forget that Asi Taulava was once a member of TNT franchise, and I think Asi was serviceable for the National team in his national team career that spanned for more than 15 years - among the longest of any Pinoy players.
Asi's best performance as a National player came during the 2002 Asian Games. Too bad we got suspended by FIBA in the mid-2000's. Asi could have performed well if we were able to play in the 2005 FIBA Asia Championship. When Asi played during the 2007 & 2009 editions of FIBA Asia Championships, he was already on his mid-30's & was a bit past his prime. More so during the 2010's era.
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ja.he2
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Well, guys like Pogoy, Almazan, Erram and Troy did well on their roles during the qualifiers. Things are different when it comes to the World Cup. But in Asia, I think Pogoy, Almazan, Erram and Troy played their part. These players are not expected to score in bunches since that was on Castro and Blatche.
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IPC2
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Maybe some of us here forget that Asi Taulava was once a member of TNT franchise, and I think Asi was serviceable for the National team in his national team career that spanned for more than 15 years - among the longest of any Pinoy players.
Asi's best performance as a National player came during the 2002 Asian Games. Too bad we got suspended by FIBA in the mid-2000's. Asi could have performed well if we were able to play in the 2005 FIBA Asia Championship. When Asi played during the 2007 & 2009 editions of FIBA Asia Championships, he was already on his mid-30's & was a bit past his prime. More so during the 2010's era.
To be fair, I was referring to Gilas players who played from 2013 onwards. It's just that Pogoy and Troy stuck out to me when it comes to underperforming.
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JAMSKIE2
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Well, guys like Pogoy, Almazan, Erram and Troy did well on their roles during the qualifiers. Things are different when it comes to the World Cup. But in Asia, I think Pogoy, Almazan, Erram and Troy played their part. These players are not expected to score in bunches since that was on Castro and Blatche.
Good point & I very much agree with you.
Speaking of Pogoy's overall performance as a Gilas player, I won't really label him as an underperformer. I mean, I didn't expect much naman talaga from Pogoy as a national team player. In fact, I see the fact that Pogoy being a consistent member of PBA-select Gilas teams as already an overachievement for him considering that Pogoy wasn't really that a big of a player in college. I mean, compared to the likes of Kiefer, Parks, Mac Belo, hindi naman talaga ganoon ka sikat si Pogoy during his college stint with FEU.
I think in so far as living up to expectation (or the failure to do so) as a National team player is concerned, Pogoy did better than Matthew Wright.
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JAMSKIE2
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To be fair, I was referring to Gilas players who played from 2013 onwards. It's just that Pogoy and Troy stuck out to me when it comes to underperforming.
Ah ok. Noted bro
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IPC2
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Good point & I very much agree with you.
Speaking of Pogoy's overall performance as a Gilas player, I won't really label him as an underperformer. I mean, I didn't expect much naman talaga from Pogoy as a national team player. In fact, I see the fact that Pogoy being a consistent member of PBA-select Gilas teams as already an overachievement for him considering that Pogoy wasn't really that a big of a player in college. I mean, compared to the likes of Kiefer, Parks, Mac Belo, hindi naman talaga ganoon ka sikat si Pogoy during his college stint with FEU.
I think in so far as living up to expectation (or the failure to do so) as a National team player is concerned, Pogoy did better than Matthew Wright.
Speaking of underperformers, Wright was another one. I mean, he constantly choked in FIBA events. Can't shoot when needed.
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JAMSKIE2
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Speaking of underperformers, Wright was another one. I mean, he constantly choked in FIBA events. Can't shoot when needed.
My biggest disappointment among Gilas players in the last 4 years or so.
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kaibooster212
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To be fair, I was referring to Gilas players who played from 2013 onwards. It's just that Pogoy and Troy stuck out to me when it comes to underperforming.
I always kind thought that they where kinda decent in terms of their productivity especially Pogoy. I think aside from Perez, RR was the best shooting guard we have for gilas at that time especially if we compare him to Marcio and Wright
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Rodbi2
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My biggest disappointment among Gilas players in the last 4 years or so.
Yes, I agree, a total no show. That Asia Cup Gilas team performance started PHL basketball's descent from the 2013-2015 peak years that hit rock bottom, thanks to the disappointing 2019 WC showing.
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JAMSKIE2
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I always kind thought that they where kinda decent in terms of their productivity especially Pogoy. I think aside from Perez, RR was the best shooting guard we have for gilas at that time especially if we compare him to Marcio and Wright
Lassiter's best performance with Gilas would have been during the early & mid-2010's era which was a period where he was in his prime or peak form. But no thanks to that pig of a company which is SMC who refused to lend Lassiter to Gilas during that era.
Pinaglaro lang ng SMC si Marcio for Gilas when Yeng Guiao was appointed Gilas head coach.
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IPC2
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Lassiter's best performance with Gilas would have been during the early & mid-2010's era which was a period where he was in his prime or peak form. But no thanks to that pig of a company which is SMC who refused to lend Lassiter to Gilas during that era.
Pinaglaro lang ng SMC si Marcio for Gilas when Yeng Guiao was appointed Gilas head coach.
I reviewed Marcio's numbers during the qualifiers, and he actually performed well. Shot 40% from 3. Plus, his defense is an asset.
Imagine if SMC had lent him (and Japeth and June Mar, and probably LA) for 2015. We'd have a better shot at winning this thing.
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kaibooster212
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Lassiter's best performance with Gilas would have been during the early & mid-2010's era which was a period where he was in his prime or peak form. But no thanks to that pig of a company which is SMC who refused to lend Lassiter to Gilas during that era.
Pinaglaro lang ng SMC si Marcio for Gilas when Yeng Guiao was appointed Gilas head coach.
Thats Smart Gilas diba? Yeah he was shooting great at that time. But his recent stint was kinda forgetable in my opinion