Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Giannis34GOD2]

Qatar is being overhype right now here in the forum, but Taiwan and Saudi still better than them... Saudi split their matches vs Qatar w/ Harris and Lewis playing together in Gulf cup last year.. Saudi doesn't have naturalized yet that time... Saudi parading last window their naturalized player from Michigan Muhammad Ali Abdur Rahkman (I don't know if he have Saudi blood or origin by his parents) ...

 

[DAdmiral2]

Harris didn't met the requirements... He just get his passport only in 2023, He didn't continuous playing in Qatari league, as he played numerous leagues around the world... He didn't have any Qatari blood or origin by his parents or grandparents... It just Fiba gave them a "Gift" for giving them money for hosting the world cup....

I don't know what you don't understand with guidelines are NOT requirement standards, as there is no qouta minimum number of years explicitly stated as required.

 

[ja.he2]

Well those cases at least take into account the set guidelines for exception I do want to note that Abassi however not only has residency from his youth years, but has actual parental lineage to a person from the country, thing going against FSA is they may not have a local parent , this however can be addressed if it can be reasonable claimed that a family and parent adopts the child in his youth.

which is the advantage now of Brownlee, Jr.

 

[Metta2]

Note they are limited to guidelines (consider # of years), they are not explicitly measurable standards ( must be 4 years minimum residency). So in that case yes Harris has years residency and domestic Qatar league play, whether it is significant enough is another thing

Then that's an example of a gray area subject to an evaluator's judgement.

 

[IPC2]

Because naturalized players should be one of the supposed best players in the team.. You are always looking at Japan, but outside of them, who are other countries picking role naturalized player? Spain tapped scoring guard Lorenzo Brown, Turkey tapped Shane Larkin, another scoring guard, even team USA tapped Embiid, a former NBA MVP... Japan have leverage since Rui, Watanabe and Kawamura can do the load, especially for scoring... They just need a presence downlow... Gilas need a firepower scoring guard/forward since we have Kai and Edu already... So why tap a role player for a naturalized player?

Can we not do scoring by committee when the NP is a defensive role player? And again, we risk being a donut on defense if we lose both Kai and AJ. How do we win then?

By the way, sir SK cited Gilbeck for Taiwan. He was a big part of them winning against us last Thursday. Making stops, grabbing rebounds.

 

[lem0nadi2]

which is the advantage now of Brownlee, Jr.

Would be useless if he is going to spend his teenage years in states, which would be most likely.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Then that's an example of a gray area subject to an evaluator's judgement.

True , having more detail will make guidelines less subjective
want to cite however the exteme case when applications witb zero residency (example) and no regard to age of residency ( not in development youth years) are obviously weak cases.

 

[lem0nadi2]

Qatar is being overhype right now here in the forum, but Taiwan and Saudi still better than them... Saudi split their matches vs Qatar w/ Harris and Lewis playing together in Gulf cup last year.. Saudi doesn't have naturalized yet that time... Saudi parading last window their naturalized player from Michigan Muhammad Ali Abdur Rahkman (I don't know if he have Saudi blood or origin by his parents) ...

It is overhype until they finally beat us right? Just like most of the people took it easy when Taipei had Gadiaga as local, until he became a big part beating us.

 

[DAdmiral2]

which is the advantage now of Brownlee, Jr.

Does he have a passport before 16?

 

[Metta2]

which is the advantage now of Brownlee, Jr.

Quite a few elite nba players are kids of imports who played overseas. Parker, Kobe, Kyrie, etc.

I'm surprised there aren't more Gilas-level kids of imports in the Philippines (Parks). I think the influx of college-age FSAs (they are now numerous) may somehow produce interesting prospects several years from now. Who knows, maybe the previous World Cup hosting already produced a few.

 

[ja.he2]

Does he have a passport before 16?

Well, it's SBP's call. If they were not able to secure Brownlee, Jr. PH passport, it's their negligence.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Japan is not a basketball nation... We are a basketball nation... We have those talents, why need to tap no blood Pinoys? Can't Philippines developed useable bigs for Fiba? What the sense of being a basketball country? Why not try Geo Chiu? Other countries mocking Filipinos because they still using foreign players despite basketball is the number 1 sport here....

cut the “basketball nation” thing

at least they’re doing the right thing..

Blatche, brownlee, douthit, ange are filos. and they have the same rights as you do..

 

[Silent Killer2]

Because naturalized players should be one of the supposed best players in the team.. You are always looking at Japan, but outside of them, who are other countries picking role naturalized player? Spain tapped scoring guard Lorenzo Brown, Turkey tapped Shane Larkin, another scoring guard, even team USA tapped Embiid, a former NBA MVP... Japan have leverage since Rui, Watanabe and Kawamura can do the load, especially for scoring... They just need a presence downlow... Gilas need a firepower scoring guard/forward since we have Kai and Edu already... So why tap a role player for a naturalized player?

Naturalized player is the one will plug the missing piece of the team. doesn’t need to be the best

slovenia’s best player is obviously luka doncic but they have tobey as NP.. because that’s the area they need to plug and improve and not necessarily THE best but a player that plugs and solves the problem of that team..

oh spain they naturalized serge ibaka, mirotic but they’re not the best players

oh china tap kyle anderson but he’s not the best player of the team

oh boomers tap thybulle but he’s not the best player of the team

 

[DAdmiral2]

cut the “basketball nation” thing

at least they’re doing the right thing..

Blatche, brownlee, douthit, ange are filos. and they have the same rights as you do..

You as an Australian citizen or permanent resident hopefully you're not treated as 2nd class citizen like those NP, and enjoy the same rights like any normal citizen. Otherwise you should bring up a case for discrimination

 

[Rds2]

Can we not do scoring by committee when the NP is a defensive role player? And again, we risk being a donut on defense if we lose both Kai and AJ. How do we win then?

By the way, sir SK cited Gilbeck for Taiwan. He was a big part of them winning against us last Thursday. Making stops, grabbing rebounds.

True. Height is still a problem for us. At least for those eligible. We don't have an eligible rim protector after Edu and Kai. Edu as we know is a bit fragile. We don't know yet how Kai is after recovering but he is still almost a year away at least. Our guards and forwards can always improve. But we don't have an eligible rim protector in the pipeline. And those we have have injury history.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

While at topic of factors for exception

It's not mere enrollment in a schiol that matters

Also it is not mere residency that matters

but it's establishing extended period of both educational and player development in one's formative youth development years

This is inplied as guidelines ( residency, education connection) are for an AGE cuttoff rule U16

I hope people get this.

Studying 7 years in grade school or High school in a country is totally different from playung 7 years from 25 yrs old in a pro league , totally different

Good day Sir Dave,

this is why Angelo Koume and Favour Onoh had a strong chance to get exempted moving forward because literally they are both product of Philippine education and

player's development when they are still in their teenage years.

in fact Favour studied and graduated in a HS somewhere in QC if I'm not mistaken - (I stand to be corrected on this)

now to further strengthen that residency and domestic connection, I do hope AK34 may practice his rights of suffrage as a Filipino

during election time to solidify that exemption merit.

I think JB will exhaust this rights in the coming election by endorsing 1-Pacman Partylist and that ad was all over primetime tv.

I do hope those hafus in the PBA should also exhaust their rights of suffrage as well and post it to their official socmed accounts as an pertinent proof of evidence

to FIBA if the right time comes. I mentioned this before and I won't hesitate to post it again until kingdom come.

I mentioned it from the other thread that HS kids like Colin Akowe and Racine Kane had a fighting chance to get exempted if they decided and convince to be naturalize.

obtaining authentic PH passport before 16 yrs. old may not encounter many obstacle compared to those who availed after their 16th.

therefore the option should be had a strong domestic connection thru education, residency, tag as a local on any domestic league, consistently declaring one's withholding tax to the BIR and the right of suffrage on every election period.

that's a very very strong merit to FIBA "Ewan ko na lang po Boss kung ma-decline pa yan". trans. evidence like that is very strong.

 

[k3ttch2]

Here's the problem with Ange being reclassified as a local:

Why should FIBA allow Kouame to play for Gilas as a local player when the PBA itself won't allow him to play as a local player?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Qatar is being overhype right now here in the forum, but Taiwan and Saudi still better than them... Saudi split their matches vs Qatar w/ Harris and Lewis playing together in Gulf cup last year.. Saudi doesn't have naturalized yet that time... Saudi parading last window their naturalized player from Michigan Muhammad Ali Abdur Rahkman (I don't know if he have Saudi blood or origin by his parents) ...

I didn't know that Saudi Arabia paraded a naturalized player in the recent 3rd window if you didn't bring this up. Speaking of Muhammad Ali Abdur Rahkman, he's playing for Surne Bilbao Basket team in the highly touted Spanish Liga Endesa. He's averaging 9.7 pts. for Bilbao. The fact that he's playing as an import in the Spanish Liga Endesa only indicates that he's an elite player.

Qatar is among the most talk about national team in Asia-Oceania basketball simply becoz of of its controversial recruitment of players - players of Bosnian descent with no Qatari blood being declared by FIBA as legit Qatari locals becoz they were converted into Qatari citizens prior to their 16th birthday, and just recently, Tyler Harris being declared by FIBA as a Qatari local player.

A point of concern about Qatar is the presence of some promising young players who are already playing for its senior national team. I think there are about 3 or 4 Qatari players only in their teens who are now playing for the senior team. There's also 18-year old 6-foot-7 forward ​Hamad Mousa who is on freshman in an NCAA div. 1 school in the US. I think Mousa has yet to play for the Qatar senior national team. It seems those teenager players of Qatar are natural born Qataris.

 

[DAdmiral2]

The Philippines has an excellent opportunity to position itself as the primary basketball hub in the Asia Pacific region for 16 tp 22 yr old student athletes, attracting both Fil foreigners and plain foreigners.. If we maximize this advantage , whoever is recruited into the system will improve our pipeline 5 times more .
imagine if each of the 8 UAAP high school teams, had 1 6'9 foreign center and a 6'6 Fil foreigner forward , our pipeline for Gilas would then be loaded.

 

[IPC2]

Naturalized player is the one will plug the missing piece of the team. doesn’t need to be the best

slovenia’s best player is obviously luka doncic but they have tobey as NP.. because that’s the area they need to plug and improve and not necessarily THE best but a player that plugs and solves the problem of that team..

oh spain they naturalized serge ibaka, mirotic but they’re not the best players

oh china tap kyle anderson but he’s not the best player of the team

oh boomers tap thybulle but he’s not the best player of the team

I got my needs list here. You can add if you want. That's just my personal observation.

I have a needs list, but I made this in the context of JB retiring:

Shot creation
Go-to guy
Interior defender in case AJ and Kai are not in the lineup
Maybe some playmaking
Shooting
Wing who can at least stop dribble peneration, better if he can defend man-to-man​

As for shooting, I can see RJ, Heading, Bolick, and Arvin. Defense will be an issue, though. Arvin plays the wing, a position that has importance on defense, I'd first look for a shooter in the 1 and 2 spots. Maybe get Carl, Oftana, Quiambao, Malonzo, and maybe even AJ to shoot better.

AJ's a two-way big, but he's not the scorer that Kai is. I do see him filling the Pingris role, as crazy as it sounds. I think I can argue that Kai has been a two-way big since the OQT, since I think Kai has been a competent defender thus far, especially for Gilas.

In our context, which needs can be filled by individual locals, or by committee, and which needs can generally only be filled by an NP?