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sroth38392
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Oftana and Malonzo were basically the players Kobe was supposed to be in our team.
BRP? He's a weird one. Felt like a player who could bring a lot to the table but not really.
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Oftana and Malonzo were basically the players Kobe was supposed to be in our team.
BRP? He's a weird one. Felt like a player who could bring a lot to the table but not really.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Oftana and Malonzo were basically the players Kobe was supposed to be in our team.
BRP? He's a weird one. Felt like a player who could bring a lot to the table but not really.
Parks feud with TNT is the reason he can't consistently comeback with Gilas, he made a return in 2022 due to Al Chua, but even now SMC is redundant to give Parks another chance.. And also obviously Ramos is always the first choice in terms of off guard/wingman role of Gilas while Newsome, Malonzo, KQ and even Oftana can do what Parks can do on the table...
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Giannis34GOD2
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And will probably never play competitively again.
Guy is turning 28 this year.
Best he can aim for is the PBA. He’d be a nice backup for Malonzo.
I hope Kobe Paras returns to basketball and join PBA.. Maybe he can talk to SGA management to be with them in Jones cup this year (I'm just assume SGA will join Jones cup) before joining PBA draft.. he can be a serviceable wingman in the PBA... He can be a rich man's Ni
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IPC2
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Imagine Arvin Tolentino playing next to JMF
A big reason why I don't think we should consider Arvin yet is that I don't feel that we don't have enough personnel at the wing and big positions to help Arvin out on defense.
When we have enough wings and bigs who can defend, that's when I think Arvin can be considered.
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JAMSKIE2
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Since coach Tim Cone said that he is using the Iran golden generation basketball team as a model for his Gilas program, I think the best iteration of the Iran national team is the team that bagged the gold medal in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship which was held in Manila. So I want to compare/match that Iran 2013 with our current Gilas team.
Iran's 2013 roster:
Starting five: 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi, 6-foot-8 Oshin Sahakian, 6-foot-5 Samad Nikkah Bahrami, 6-foot-3 Hamed Afagh, 6-foot Mehdi Kamrani
Bench:6-foot-11 Ashgar Kardoust, 6-foot-11 Rozbeh Arghavan, 6-foot-10 Sorabnejad, 5-foot-10 Davoudi, 6-foot-4 Mohammed Jamshidi.
Current Gilas team:
Starting 5: Kai Sotto, Carl Tamayo, Justin Brownlee, Dwight Ramos, Iskati Thompson
Bench: Junmar Fajardo, AJ Edu, Jamie Malonzo, Calvin Oftana, Kevin Quiambao, CJ Perez & Chris Newsome.
I think at the starting 5, 28-year old Haddadi (I mean during 2013) was slightly better than 22-year old Kai. A prime Sahakian (in 2013) was a bit better than the still developing Carl Tamayo. I think current Brownlee is better than the 30-year old Bahrami (in 2013). Dwight Ramos is better than Afagh. I give Kamrani a slight edge over Iskati.
I think in terms of starting 5, I give Iran the overall slight edge.
I think it is in the bench that Gilas would enjoy a significant edge over Iran. I think anyone among the Gilas bench, even the youngest player - KQ, can be a starting 5. The same could not be said about Iran which was too dependent on its starters while its relievers hardly earned playing time & opportunity to contribute. You take away Haddadi & Bahrami from the team & Iran would just be an ordinary team in which averaged teams in Asia can beat anytime. You take away Kai Sotto & JB from Gilas, & I think the team will still be dangerous an opponent by any top Asian team.
Iran's 2013 roster:
Starting five: 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi, 6-foot-8 Oshin Sahakian, 6-foot-5 Samad Nikkah Bahrami, 6-foot-3 Hamed Afagh, 6-foot Mehdi Kamrani
Bench:6-foot-11 Ashgar Kardoust, 6-foot-11 Rozbeh Arghavan, 6-foot-10 Sorabnejad, 5-foot-10 Davoudi, 6-foot-4 Mohammed Jamshidi.
Current Gilas team:
Starting 5: Kai Sotto, Carl Tamayo, Justin Brownlee, Dwight Ramos, Iskati Thompson
Bench: Junmar Fajardo, AJ Edu, Jamie Malonzo, Calvin Oftana, Kevin Quiambao, CJ Perez & Chris Newsome.
I think at the starting 5, 28-year old Haddadi (I mean during 2013) was slightly better than 22-year old Kai. A prime Sahakian (in 2013) was a bit better than the still developing Carl Tamayo. I think current Brownlee is better than the 30-year old Bahrami (in 2013). Dwight Ramos is better than Afagh. I give Kamrani a slight edge over Iskati.
I think in terms of starting 5, I give Iran the overall slight edge.
I think it is in the bench that Gilas would enjoy a significant edge over Iran. I think anyone among the Gilas bench, even the youngest player - KQ, can be a starting 5. The same could not be said about Iran which was too dependent on its starters while its relievers hardly earned playing time & opportunity to contribute. You take away Haddadi & Bahrami from the team & Iran would just be an ordinary team in which averaged teams in Asia can beat anytime. You take away Kai Sotto & JB from Gilas, & I think the team will still be dangerous an opponent by any top Asian team.
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sroth38392
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Since coach Tim Cone said that he is using the Iran golden generation basketball team as a model for his Gilas program, I think the best iteration of the Iran national team is the team that bagged the gold medal in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship which was held in Manila. So I want to compare/match that Iran 2013 with our current Gilas team.
Iran's 2013 roster:
Starting five: 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi, 6-foot-8 Oshin Sahakian, 6-foot-5 Samad Nikkah Bahrami, 6-foot-3 Hamed Afagh, 6-foot Mehdi Kamrani
Bench:6-foot-11 Ashgar Kardoust, 6-foot-11 Rozbeh Arghavan, 6-foot-10 Sorabnejad, 5-foot-10 Davoudi, 6-foot-4 Mohammed Jamshidi.
Current Gilas team:
Starting 5: Kai Sotto, Carl Tamayo, Justin Brownlee, Dwight Ramos, Iskati Thompson
Bench: Junmar Fajardo, AJ Edu, Jamie Malonzo, Calvin Oftana, Kevin Quiambao, CJ Perez & Chris Newsome.
I think at the starting 5, 28-year old Haddadi (I mean during 2013) was slightly better than 22-year old Kai. A prime Sahakian (in 2013) was a bit better than the still developing Carl Tamayo. I think current Brownlee is better than the 30-year old Bahrami (in 2013). Dwight Ramos is better than Afagh. I give Kamrani a slight edge over Iskati.
I think in terms of starting 5, I give Iran the overall slight edge.
I think it is in the bench that Gilas would enjoy a significant edge over Iran. I think anyone among the Gilas bench, even the youngest player - KQ, can be a starting 5. The same could not be said about Iran which was too dependent on its starters while its relievers hardly earned playing time & opportunity to contribute. You take away Haddadi & Bahrami from the team & Iran would just be an ordinary team in which averaged teams in Asia can beat anytime. You take away Kai Sotto & JB from Gilas, & I think the team will still be dangerous an opponent by any top Asian team.
I’m amazed we still don’t have a local born player who is close to a Bahrami.
Navarro at 6'6 is probably the closest but he is being wasted as a power forward.
For all the excitement we have with Kai, we ought to focus on developing more 6'5-6'6 swingmans.
Like how many guys have we seen in the 6'5-6'6 range in the Phils? Aplenty and we failed to develop most of them into wings.
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JAMSKIE2
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I’m amazed we still don’t have a local born player who is close to a Bahrami.
Navarro at 6'6 is probably the closest but he is being wasted as a power forward.
For all the excitement we have with Kai, we ought to focus on developing more 6'5-6'6 swingmans.
Like how many guys have we seen in the 6'5-6'6 range in the Phils? Aplenty and we failed to develop most of them into wings.
For me the closest local player we have to 6-foot-5 Samad Nikkah Bahrami is 6-foot-4 Dwight Ramos. Obviously, Bahrami was better. Bahrami is among the greatest Asian player of all time. What I liked about Bahrami is that he wasn't athletic, yet his skills was outstanding at least in the Asian level. I think he and Fadi El Khatib were the best small forwards in Asian basketball in the 2000's to 2010's era.
Well, the good thing is, we have already produced a skilled 7-foot big guy as our version of Hamed Haddadi.
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thatweirdguy2
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For me the closest local player we have to 6-foot-5 Samad Nikkah Bahrami is 6-foot-4 Dwight Ramos. Obviously, Bahrami was better. Bahrami is among the greatest Asian player of all time. What I liked about Bahrami is that he wasn't athletic, yet his skills was outstanding at least in the Asian level. I think he and Fadi El Khatib were the best small forwards in Asian basketball in the 2000's to 2010's era.
Well, the good thing is, we have already produced a skilled 7-foot big guy as our version of Hamed Haddadi.
Kai is just starting his prime. Let's hope he shakes off this injury and has a long career like Haddadi.
Forget tall wings, we don't even have a Kamrani level PG yet.
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Silent Killer2
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Kai is just starting his prime. Let's hope he shakes off this injury and has a long career like Haddadi.
Forget tall wings, we don't even have a Kamrani level PG yet.
And we dont even have local produce papa dweet..
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zairex2
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Kai is just starting his prime. Let's hope he shakes off this injury and has a long career like Haddadi.
Forget tall wings, we don't even have a Kamrani level PG yet.
I think Thompson has better attributes than Kamrani. Even Castro is better. Iran just have a better team as a whole.
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JAMSKIE2
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I think Thompson has better attributes than Kamrani. Even Castro is better. Iran just have a better team as a whole.
Iskati Thompson vs prime Kamrani? I still believe Kamrani is the better point guard. But talking about Iskati's attributes, I say no point guard in Asia rebounds better than Iskati.
I agree with you, a prime Jayson Castro will outperform a prime Kamrani. Its obvious that in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship, Castro was the better point guard than Kamrani. About Kamrani, there was really nothing special about him. He wasn't that quick, wasn't athletic & he isn't that tall/big of a point guard. But one cannot take away the fact that he complimented Haddadi & Bahrami real well.
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thatweirdguy2
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I think Thompson has better attributes than Kamrani. Even Castro is better. Iran just have a better team as a whole.
Sorry I wasn't being clear. I meant for our current generation. I agree Castro was for a time the best PG in Asia. Thompson is the better rebounder and defender but I don't really see him as a PG
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thatweirdguy2
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And we dont even have local produce papa dweet..
Correct. We just lucked on Dwight who happens to be FIBA eligible. Aside from Kai he's another indispensable player. We need a backup and eventual heir.
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JAMSKIE2
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Sorry I wasn't being clear. I meant for our current generation. I agree Castro was for a time the best PG in Asia. Thompson is the better rebounder and defender but I don't really see him as a PG
I somehow I agree with U on this. I say Iskati is not what we can consider as a traditional pass-first point guard. Well, as some posters here imply, in modern basketball, the distinction between a point guard & a shooting guard/2-guard is almost non-existent.
But as for me, I always would want a traditional pass-first point guard on our national team especially since we have a talent-laden national team right now.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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all of us had different opinion and observation about the prime Blur vs. the "kulit" Kamrani/Davoudi
I also want to add the mighty mouse, helter skelter and coach tinyente on this narrative because those dudes are all contemporaries.
all of them are great PG during their hey days, nor argument on that.
yes the Blur was awarded the best PG in Asia, I think twice(?) I stand to be corrected on this
but if we put the Blur narrative in a music scene , for me IMHO, "he is just a one hit wonder".
sorry I'm just being real.
overall whether we accept it or not "Kulit" Kamrani/Davoudi are the best amongst them during that period.
let's set aside those Asian Championship runs they've achieved during that so-called "Golden Years of Iran Basketball".
it's already given.
I think one of the several factors is that those Persians PGs are more exposed to International scene than us
hence they all knew all the intricacies and tendencies of FIBA basketball..that's their biggest advantage.
we cannot deny the accomplishment of 2013, 2015 and 2019 runs but we all know DDO" Do Or Die" system are not for the long run.
highlighted by that less than 2-weeks training to fast-track that "JC playbook", of that ill-fated 2023 thing.
in fairness to SBP during those time they are still babies in FIBA landscape and SMC camp are still lukewarm as well.
fast forward, yes it feels good about AG 2023, it's a start.
we do hope our new sets of back court personnel may provide that competitive match-up against the like of Arakji of the Cedars,
the two Yuki's of the Akatsukis, Guo Ailun of the Reds, Webster bros.of the TB's and the possible Dellavedova/Cotton of the AUS
they are the high bars our beloved back court need to anticipate for a possible mano a mano this coming FIBA Asia Cup
for me for as long as they are not being schooled all along, I'm satisfied.
high level hafu PGs like JJ kid, Dylan Harper, Jaland Lowe and Jared McCain are not yet cleared nor confirm for the Senior level on both NF.
it's still a wishful thinking for now.
as for the storyline about Sammad Nikkah Bahrami, well I also want to add Mohammed Jamshidi and Benham Yakchali on this.
thank goodness our headache on those 3 dreaded Persians are over.
it's already in the annals of Philippine basketball how those 3 schooled and toyed around Gabe Norwood, Troy Rosario, Calvin Abueva,
Marc Pingris, RDO, The Spark, The Kid Kerby R. and the Dynamite among others during that run.
yes we won a few but we lost a lot.
fast forward, I think Carl, KQ, Dwight and Mason are now competitive in the Asian level.
CTC and his coaching staff need to distribute more of their playbook to those lads to fastrack that "elite level".
I also want to add the mighty mouse, helter skelter and coach tinyente on this narrative because those dudes are all contemporaries.
all of them are great PG during their hey days, nor argument on that.
yes the Blur was awarded the best PG in Asia, I think twice(?) I stand to be corrected on this
but if we put the Blur narrative in a music scene , for me IMHO, "he is just a one hit wonder".
sorry I'm just being real.
overall whether we accept it or not "Kulit" Kamrani/Davoudi are the best amongst them during that period.
let's set aside those Asian Championship runs they've achieved during that so-called "Golden Years of Iran Basketball".
it's already given.
I think one of the several factors is that those Persians PGs are more exposed to International scene than us
hence they all knew all the intricacies and tendencies of FIBA basketball..that's their biggest advantage.
we cannot deny the accomplishment of 2013, 2015 and 2019 runs but we all know DDO" Do Or Die" system are not for the long run.
highlighted by that less than 2-weeks training to fast-track that "JC playbook", of that ill-fated 2023 thing.
in fairness to SBP during those time they are still babies in FIBA landscape and SMC camp are still lukewarm as well.
fast forward, yes it feels good about AG 2023, it's a start.
we do hope our new sets of back court personnel may provide that competitive match-up against the like of Arakji of the Cedars,
the two Yuki's of the Akatsukis, Guo Ailun of the Reds, Webster bros.of the TB's and the possible Dellavedova/Cotton of the AUS
they are the high bars our beloved back court need to anticipate for a possible mano a mano this coming FIBA Asia Cup
for me for as long as they are not being schooled all along, I'm satisfied.
high level hafu PGs like JJ kid, Dylan Harper, Jaland Lowe and Jared McCain are not yet cleared nor confirm for the Senior level on both NF.
it's still a wishful thinking for now.
as for the storyline about Sammad Nikkah Bahrami, well I also want to add Mohammed Jamshidi and Benham Yakchali on this.
thank goodness our headache on those 3 dreaded Persians are over.
it's already in the annals of Philippine basketball how those 3 schooled and toyed around Gabe Norwood, Troy Rosario, Calvin Abueva,
Marc Pingris, RDO, The Spark, The Kid Kerby R. and the Dynamite among others during that run.
yes we won a few but we lost a lot.
fast forward, I think Carl, KQ, Dwight and Mason are now competitive in the Asian level.
CTC and his coaching staff need to distribute more of their playbook to those lads to fastrack that "elite level".
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thatweirdguy2
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I somehow I agree with U on this. I say Iskati is not what we can consider as a traditional pass-first point guard. Well, as some posters here imply, in modern basketball, the distinction between a point guard & a shooting guard/2-guard is almost non-existent.
But as for me, I always would want a traditional pass-first point guard on our national team especially since we have a talent-laden national team right now.
He's definitely a guard. I don't really know a good comparison for his playing style. Not really looking to score and not a traditional pass first point guard he's more of a utility player. Can do a bit of everything. I'm still not really sure if he should be our starting PG but he's should be useful under TC. If I were to choose I'd put him on the bench and upgrade that position
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Metta2
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He's definitely a guard. I don't really know a good comparison for his playing style. Not really looking to score and not a traditional pass first point guard he's more of a utility player. Can do a bit of everything. I'm still not really sure if he should be our starting PG but he's should be useful under TC. If I were to choose I'd put him on the bench and upgrade that position
He plays a bit like a small forward. Like who his Dad named him for...Scottie Pippen. Pippen was one of the first point forwards...Iskati is the shorter "real" guard version.
Another guy who can't be pigeonholed.
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zairex2
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Can you refresh my memory, what year in Perpetual that Scottie was not a point guard. He was under the the great point guard guru of Aric
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Rds2
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double post
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thatweirdguy2
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Can you refresh my memory, what year in Perpetual that Scottie was not a point guard. He was under the the great point guard guru of Aric
My memory is a bit hazy but didn't he play Chris Elopre and Jolangcob? I'm sure he handled the ball a lot and was getting mini Abueva comparisons minus the antics back then.