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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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If Tolentino doesn't get drafted in the NBA. He will likely start loving Diwata Pares. hahaha
 
If Tolentino doesn't get drafted in the NBA. He will likely start loving Diwata Pares. hahaha

If Sage does not transfer to a Philippine University this year then I think SBP will be having difficulties of tapping him to play as FIBA recognised natural- born Filipino citizen. He was born on Jan. 1, 2003. So his time is almost up to switch…
 
FIBA's rule upon reaching the age of 23..

FIBA Internal Regulation – Book 3(rev. 26 March 22)

Chapter 1: Eligibility, National Status and Availability of Players
19 a. A player who has transferred as a young player according to articles 3-74 may not choose to play for the national team of any country other than the country from which the player transferred, until the player has reached the age of twenty-three(23).
b. The Secretary General may, in his sole discretion, partially or entirely lift the restriction of 3.19.a in exceptional circumstances, which may include, without limitation, the following:
ii. The player had two (2) or more nationalities (and was in possession of the relevant passports) at the time of the initial transfer.

Players with Previous Registrations
74. If the young player’s proposed international transfer is linked to basketball, FIBA shall take the following criteria into account when making a decision on the letter of clearance(no administrative fee will be charged):
e. The young player, the young player’s parents, the new club and the new National Member Federation shall declare in writing that (i) they have read and understood the conditions of Article 3-19 and that (ii) until the player’s twenty third (23[SUP]rd[/SUP]) birthday, the player shall make himself or herself available for the national team of the country from which the player transferred, unless otherwise decided by the Secretary General as per article 3-19 and if necessary, for the preparation time as well as for the training camps provided that they do not interfere with school activities
 
I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.
 
I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.


Coach Toroman said the Philippines can field multiple national teams without draining the talent
 
I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.

We're thin at center, I think. For now, we just have Kai, AJ, June Mar, and Japeth. Ange is naturalized. QMB is unsure.

At 4, we have AJ, Carl, Mason, Troy, and Balti. JB's a small ball 4 and is naturalized. If only we could find more.

1, 2, and 3, I think we have good depth.
 
Coach Toroman said the Philippines can field multiple national teams without draining the talent

I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.
 
We're thin at center, I think. For now, we just have Kai, AJ, June Mar, and Japeth. Ange is naturalized. QMB is unsure.

At 4, we have AJ, Carl, Mason, Troy, and Balti. JB's a small ball 4 and is naturalized. If only we could find more.

1, 2, and 3, I think we have good depth.

Well, if we compare that to most Asian national teams, I think they won't be any better than us. I don't think teams like South Korea, Japan (which is weak at the center spot if without their NP), Iran, Jordan, Lebanon have deeper frontline than us.
 
I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.

Same sentiments by Mark Dickel​, the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be top 15 in the world with our talent. Its the other factors that is difficult to bring us up to that level
 
I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.

The same sentiments were expressed by Mark Dickel, who said that the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be in the top 15 globally with our talent. It's the other factors that make it difficult to bring us up to that level without proper training and preparation.
 
The same sentiments were expressed by Mark Dickel, who said that the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be in the top 15 globally with our talent. It's the other factors that make it difficult to bring us up to that level without proper training and preparation.

Top 15 without anything close to an NBA player? I doubt that.
 
Top 15 without anything close to an NBA player? I doubt that.

Our NPs are though technically.. Also he didn't say right now. Who knows what's gonna happen in the next 50 years or so. Maybe they'll be more lenient on mixed bloods. Top 25 imo is more believable
 
Finally, someone mentioned KQs wingspan. According to Baek 6'10".

That plus big hands.

That crazy wingspan is more useful than an extra 1-2 inches of head height.

That wingspan will enable him to defend bigger players better, at least, especially at the forward spots. He will need strength also for that, though.
 
That wingspan will enable him to defend bigger players better, at least, especially at the forward spots. He will need strength also for that, though.

For perspective, the 6'7 Korean star in his team has a 6'8 wingspan. So even if that guy has 3 inches on him, KQ can reach better than him.

Majority of the time on defense, you're defending horizontally/laterally with arms sideways, where the top of your head reaches when you stand up straight doesn't matter. Then when you contest the shot, you use your arms/hands not you're forehead.

On offense, big hands (with soft touch) and long arms also makes things easier.

And strength can be improved, but length can not.
 
For perspective, the 6'7 Korean star in his team has a 6'8 wingspan. So even if that guy has 3 inches on him, KQ can reach better than him.

Majority of the time on defense, you're defending horizontally/laterally with arms sideways, where the top of your head reaches when you stand up straight doesn't matter. Then when you contest the shot, you use your arms/hands not you're forehead.

On offense, big hands (with soft touch) and long arms also makes things easier.

And strength can be improved, but length can not.

I agree. I am a wingspan over height guy. However, there is one case where wingspan is minimized a bit that is the post. As I’ve seen in two games now KQs wingspan is countered a bit by a stronger taller guy in the post. I think his team also sees this. I believe they will try to train him more as an SF. It will be a big challenge though. They failed when they tried to train Dave from an SF to a guard.
 
For perspective, the 6'7 Korean star in his team has a 6'8 wingspan. So even if that guy has 3 inches on him, KQ can reach better than him.

Majority of the time on defense, you're defending horizontally/laterally with arms sideways, where the top of your head reaches when you stand up straight doesn't matter. Then when you contest the shot, you use your arms/hands not you're forehead.

On offense, big hands (with soft touch) and long arms also makes things easier.

And strength can be improved, but length can not.

Undersized for 4, but if he makes it as an exception, it will be due to his ability (passing, shooting) and length, e.

I think if you're gonna make it as an undersized player at 3, 4, and 5, you will need to have some combination of great ability, motor, athleticism, length, and strength. 6'2" Abueva had motor and athleticism. 6'4" Ping had motor, athleticism, and strength, if I remember. 6'5" RDO was a good shooter.
 
I agree. I am a wingspan over height guy. However, there is one case where wingspan is minimized a bit that is the post. As I’ve seen in two games now KQs wingspan is countered a bit by a stronger taller guy in the post. I think his team also sees this. I believe they will try to train him more as an SF. It will be a big challenge though. They failed when they tried to train Dave from an SF to a guard.

Unless the defenders have a significant wingspan advantage on him, it's usually a strength issue. Taller guys have more body so they can pack on more muscle/strength.

He needs to get stronger and more importantly, learn about leverage/positioning like Pingris/Draymond.

I also think he should continue training to be an SF. Long wingspan also helps in lack of lateral speed.

His wingspan basically makes him as effective as someone who's 6'6 or even 6'7, he's not an ordinary 6'3 guy which people are going crazy about. But is 6'6 enough for a big man in today's international game...not really.
 
Unless the defenders have a significant wingspan advantage on him, it's usually a strength issue. Taller guys have more body so they can pack on more muscle/strength.

He needs to get stronger and more importantly, learn about leverage/positioning like Pingris/Draymond.

I also think he should continue training to be an SF. Long wingspan also helps in lack of lateral speed.

His wingspan basically makes him as effective as someone who's 6'6 or even 6'7, he's not an ordinary 6'3 guy which people are going crazy about. But is 6'6 enough for a big man in today's international game...not really.

Artest used to be so good defensively as bigmen cannot just pushed him around and can keep up with perimeter players too despite being on around 6'5 something. Chuck Hayes too.

KQ looked like he dropped some weight. Dunno what their plan for him is though. We got Aj, Kai, Carl, NP* , QMB* Philips* who can play the bigmen positions. Might be easier to slot him in the 3 spot
 
Artest used to be so good defensively as bigmen cannot just pushed him around and can keep up with perimeter players too despite being on around 6'5 something. Chuck Hayes too.

KQ looked like he dropped some weight. Dunno what their plan for him is though. We got Aj, Kai, Carl, NP* , QMB* Philips* who can play the bigmen positions. Might be easier to slot him in the 3 spot

Come off the bench 3,but I don't see him in big FIBA tournaments if CTC has all his tall SF in the team not counting his combo forwards.
 
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