Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

Come to think of it, we have a U30 group in the pool. As of now, it consists of Oftana (1996), Malonzo (1996), Ange (1997; NP), Dwight (1998), AJ (2000), Carl (2001), Quiambao (2001), Kai (2002), and Mason (2004).

Of course I prefer that our additions be younger, because I think we need to think beyond 2028. But if we can keep that group that I mentioned together, and if they develop well in FIBA, we can add whoever can complement them, even veterans.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

My point here is that, if coach Tim has to get someone as a "band-aid" solution, why not someone who would be serviceable for the future? Hindi yung 33 na yung edad in which 2 or 3 years from now, that player most likely would already be washed up.

Sir Jams,

yup same sentiment here.

but the scenario is here.

a. our wishlist is still very much focus on their respective ball clubs and not yet familiar with CTC's offensive and defensive scheme compared to those in the current core of players.

b. as we all know that 3rd and last window qualifiers are non-bearing to us and as I said , let reserves our glassy players to the main event rather risk them for the remaining games

if there's one player that I think needs an immediate inclusion it's QMB,

news online about his submission of ph docs to the SBP for a possible inclusion are spreading like a maniac.

we do hope it ain't the same breath as JC's green covered ph doc with a pic of a 12 yr. old Jordan Clarkson

whether it is legit or not...I do not want to dwell too much on it.."ma-stress lang tayo lahat sa bagay na yan".

the encouraging part nowadays is that all our US based Sports organization esp. to those participating in the coming NBTC Manila Live games are now fully aware and intelligently enough about "Passport before 16 yrs. old and the provision about changing of allegiance before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old

adding QMB and possibly AK34(as JB's replacement for the NP slot for the meantime) if there will be no conflict to his SGA stint is the ideal thing considering they are not yet committed(?)
to any commercial club as of the moment.

as for Troy and Gabe Norwood na rin..we've already seen with our very own eyes how "they were schooled big-tim" by the likes of Jamshidi, Yackchali and Nikkah Bahrami during those forgettable time.

I do hope this time, he could hold his stuff against that "revenge minded TB" with that cry baby Webster.

 

[Metta2]

Come to think of it, we have a U30 group in the pool. As of now, it consists of Oftana (1996), Malonzo (1996), Ange (1997; NP), Dwight (1998), AJ (2000), Carl (2001), Quiambao (2001), Kai (2002), and Mason (2004).

Of course I prefer that our additions be younger, because I think we need to think beyond 2028. But if we can keep that group that I mentioned together, and if they develop well in FIBA, we can add whoever can complement them, even veterans.

I'm also all for developing our younger players as I've always advocated for levelling up. For me, young Gilas prospects should have their own team where they will have a chance to play a lot of minutes and not just be token bench guys on the A team.

 

[live_evil2]

Al Panlilio is so stupid that he can't see the best solution to our lineup concerns: localizing Kouame. Kouame solves our problems about our bigs' injuries and gives the team versatility in the choice of naturalized players. They can opt to go for a big or a scorer like Brownlee.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

should gotten a younger player instead of troy. sure it’s non bearing and band aid but rather give exposure the young players than a 32-33 year old guy..

do cone and coaching staff knows some young players from collegiate ranks?

Right? If it's really non bearing we can gamble and roll with the whoever they deem are part of the program term. Unless they're trying Chot's style of trying to win all the games instead.

Troy has been part of the program in the past and mostly disappointed.. dunno how an older less athletic version of him is gonna help except take minutes away from Carl etc

 

[JAMSKIE2]

should gotten a younger player instead of troy. sure it’s non bearing and band aid but rather give exposure the young players than a 32-33 year old guy..

do cone and coaching staff knows some young players from collegiate ranks?

That's exactly what I have in mind.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Bro, what happened to agreeing that CTC/coaches know so much more than us and that they see a bigger picture. There's so much factors/reasons that we are oblivious to. There can be a myriad of reasons on why they are doing what they are doing.

And like BJ Reloaded said, upcoming games are non-bearing.

And with Rosario's addition, it means there really is no need for a selection pool because they can just pluck whoever they want.

Kaya nga, the idea of having a small pool while not including some deserving & good players to the pool isn't really about coach Tim only doing it for the welfare of the team. Instead, there's really politics behind the non-inclusion of players like Heading, & Balti. We all know that Heading & Balti are playing for Delta which doesn't have a good relationship with SMC.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

All these discussions about Gilas needing to add a few players so as to address the possibility Gilas players being hit by injury from time to time reminds me of the controversy some time in 2023 in which SBP (& perhaps then Gilas coach Chot Reyes) claimed they invited Justin Baltazar to the Gilas pool/team preparing for the 2023 World Cup. Yet Baltazar's camp argued that they never received any invitation from SBP. Someone was lying.

With the way things are going on, it seems it becomes clear now who between SBP & Baltazar's camp was lying,

 

[IPC2]

Kaya nga, the idea of having a small pool while not including some deserving & good players to the pool isn't really about coach Tim only doing it for the welfare of the team. Instead, there's really politics behind the non-inclusion of players like Heading, & Balti. We all know that Heading & Balti are playing for Delta which doesn't have a good relationship with SMC.

Heading said that Cone called him before the OQT, though. He declined for personal reasons.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...-he-had-to-say-no-to-gilas-call-a800-20240626

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

I think that's the main reason why coach Tinyente and Grandpa Chualay are appointed as Gilas Coach and Program Director for both Mens and Boys team

because eventually they want a smooth transition between levels.

starting with the coming U16 tourney

but I do hope the Grandpas won't abandon the exemption route on some young and potential ballers

because realistically those who will be identified for our U16 and U18 will only be competitive enough for the Senior

between 2032 to 2035 cycle.

but if there's handful of 18 to 19 yr. old 6'7 and above 3 to 4 star level hafu and already obtain a ph docs.

well no more dilly dallying "offer him/her and the family something that they can't resist and beneficial for their future".

 

[lurklurk2]

If it's coming down to Troy vs Balti, I also want Balti on the team more but i don't think it's gonna matter that much, especially this upcoming window. Their size is not far off, Balti has more length but Troy has more mass. Balti has the better skillset, but Troy is ahead by a couple months in terms of learning the system. Balti has better rim protection but I think Troy is a better wing defender and has his experience against PBA imports.

If I am Coach Tim, i will pick Troy as well not only because it makes my job easier but because of potential impact on my local club as well (improved confidence on Troy, more experience on the system, etc).

The rift against the Pineda group is probably just cherry on top.

 

[live_evil2]

Since the next windows are no bearing games, that is the time when Cone should be including future members like Balti, Heading, or an eligible QMB. There is absolutely no sense in arguing that Troy knows the system because he will not be there in the next few years. Career is now downhill, undersized, and disappointed in FIBA before. He is only good for the Asean level.

 

[FilWelsh2]

If it's coming down to Troy vs Balti, I also want Balti on the team more but i don't think it's gonna matter that much, especially this upcoming window. Their size is not far off, Balti has more length but Troy has more mass. Balti has the better skillset, but Troy is ahead by a couple months in terms of learning the system. Balti has better rim protection but I think Troy is a better wing defender and has his experience against PBA imports.

If I am Coach Tim, i will pick Troy as well not only because it makes my job easier but because of potential impact on my local club as well (improved confidence on Troy, more experience on the system, etc).

The rift against the Pineda group is probably just cherry on top.

Same here, Tim Cone should stick with Troy,.,. It’s just 2 games anyway.

 

[IPC2]

I'm also all for developing our younger players as I've always advocated for levelling up. For me, young Gilas prospects should have their own team where they will have a chance to play a lot of minutes and not just be token bench guys on the A team.

So what's the age cutoff for the young team? Hahahahahaha.

 

[lurklurk2]

Since the next windows are no bearing games, that is the time when Cone should be including future members like Balti, Heading, or an eligible QMB. There is absolutely no sense in arguing that Troy knows the system because he will not be there in the next few years. Career is now downhill, undersized, and disappointed in FIBA before. He is only good for the Asean level.

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

 

[lurklurk2]

So what's the age cutoff for the young team? Hahahahahaha.

Probably good for 2 to 3 World Cup/Olympic cycles.

 

[lurklurk2]

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

If we're gonna bring in a new player, he should be worth it to invest time and effort of the coaching staff. Starter-level type or at least someone who can replace a current starter.

 

[IPC2]

Probably good for 2 to 3 World Cup/Olympic cycles.

If we're going the max of 3 FIBA World Cup/Olympic cycles, that's 2039/2040 if we're not including this one.

If we're going for 2 WC/Olympic cycles, that's 2035/2036 if we don't include this one.

If we don't include this cycle, I guess a general birth year range of 2000 or later?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

When Gilas players Kai Sotto, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Newsome, CJ Perez had their initial practices & games with Gilas under coach Tim, na master ba nila yung triangle kaagad-agad? Were they able to execute the triangle as good as Ginebra Gilas players like Iskati Thompson, Brownlee, Malonzo & Japeth?

My point here is, it's a process that takes time. Remember, this is a 4-year program. The more these non-Ginebra Gilas players practice & play actual games with Gilas under coach Tim, the more they learn, assimilate & grasp the triangle.

If for instance I have to choose between an LA Tenorio & Schonny Winston for Gilas service under a 4-year program, I'll take Schonny Winston hands down. LA Tenorio may have the edge over Winston becoz of his strong familiarity with the triangle, but it's inevitable that for instance Winston is named to the Gilas pool, he'll learn the X & O's of the triangle as he practices more, & play more games with Gilas. It will just be a matter of time before everybody gets good grasp of the triangle.

 

[Rds2]

Who knows Troy after like 8 years becomes finally effective in Fiba. It is possible. You know what else is missing? Shooting. This Gilas team lacks shooting but no Heading. Heading unlike Balti has a fully formed international resume. But I guess it will take for Gilas to flounder shooting-wise before TC even considers Heading. Or Troy flounders enough to force TC to get another big, well not named Baltazar. We have a lot of TC apologizers even today. But if Gilas flounders and TC still sticks to not choosing the obvious options public pressure will surely increase. At this point Erram has a better chance of being picked than Balti and people will say nothing is wrong with that.