Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ja.he2]

That 6'8-6'9 Pingris has been on my bucket list for quite a while.

We already got our 6'8 RdO in Carl Tamayo.

We just need a 6'8-6'9 Pingris.

Any takers? Money is on Geo Chiu as he already has the upper body strength. He just needs to establish his presence on the paint.

Personally Nah. He doesnt have the motor of ping. And I dont think he will ever have it. ( Would be nice if he proves me wrong)

Maybe in the future in 2030s

Mobility as well. Ping can even defend wings and guards in the perimeter.

Geo Chiu could be developed into another Dennis Espino-type of player. Imagine a 6'10 version of Espino giving a phantom punch against some other national teams' marquee players ala Takehiko Orimo. I'm pretty sure that all those players will get erased. I'm just kidding. Hehe

 

[DAdmiral2]

Mobility as well. Ping can even defend wings and guards in the perimeter.

As the requirement is more mobility, motor, switchabilty, we may have no choice but to look at a shorter player, ( i don't know if that's troy, Perkins , Paras or whoever.. Height is not the requirement for a Ping replacement

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

As the requirement is more mobility, motor, switchabilty, we may have no choice but to look at a shorter player, ( i don't know if that's troy, Perkins , Paras or whoever.. Height is not the requirement for a Ping replacement

Height is a privelege though. And in the long run, privelege will be a neccessity.

I will take a taller ping every time. Though, it will be rare.

 

[ja.he2]

As the requirement is more mobility, motor, switchabilty, we may have no choice but to look at a shorter player, ( i don't know if that's troy, Perkins , Paras or whoever.. Height is not the requirement for a Ping replacement

Abu Tratter fits the bill then. 6'6 strong power forward with athleticism and mobility. He also loves to fight for rebounds. Per mobility to defend the perimeter, I say not in the level of Ping or Norwood but I think pwede na.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Abu Tratter fits the bill then. 6'6 strong power forward with athleticism and mobility. He also loves to fight for rebounds. Per mobility to defend the perimeter, I say not in the level of Ping or Norwood but I think pwede na.

Agree. I think Tratter also has a reliable mid-range jumper (15 to 18 feet) - something that Pingris never had.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Geo Chiu could be developed into another Dennis Espino-type of player. Imagine a 6'10 version of Espino giving a phantom punch against some other national teams' marquee players ala Takehiko Orimo. I'm pretty sure that all those players will get erased. I'm just kidding. Hehe

I'm afraid Geo Chiu will never have the offensive firepower of a Dennis "The Menace" Espino, but if we're talking of a having the toughness & some mischievous mentality of a Dennis Espino, then I think that's possible. I think the Gilas player that would be the closest of replicating a Dennis Espino in the overall aspect is Carl Tamayo. Si Tamayo medyo marunong din sa larong madumi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG1VpjRdY8M (fast forward to 2:13)

 

[IPC2]

Abu Tratter fits the bill then. 6'6 strong power forward with athleticism and mobility. He also loves to fight for rebounds. Per mobility to defend the perimeter, I say not in the level of Ping or Norwood but I think pwede na.

Is Tratter at least a passable perimeter defender? If he is, that's already good in itself. 6'6" guys who can defend the perimeter are valuable for us.

When can he get another Gilas invitation, though?

 

[Money2]

Exactly, La Salle has plenty of quality Gilas-eligible prospects. Kevin Quiambao, Jonnel Policarpio, Evan Nelle, Ice Blanco, Raven Cortez, Jared Abadam, hell probably even Mark Nonoy.

I only hope at least some of them can be invited (of course better if all), and those invitees accept the invitation. Kahit invitation lang, so that we won't have the impression na puro Atenista lang sa Gilas.

Is the Philipps guy Gilas - Eligible? DLSU's new Fil - am big. too lazy to backread hehe

 

[Money2]

Hi, I watched this interview. To me it was more like he’s throwing shade at Letran/Longhair rather than Ateneo/San Beda while trying to make it look like he’s hesitant and couldn’t talk about it directly. The convo went something like this: Mikee asked him if he got invited and he said “……hindi na lang” “Anong hindi na lang? … ah ok gets ko na” (nonverbatim). So baka na-invite tapos di pinayagan. I think they send out invitations sometimes but don’t make it public, it’s possible that once you accept that’s when they add you to the pool. I used to think they’re prohibiting Quiambao but now that I think about it he was already added to the pool then he begged off. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I think the Ateneo guys are second gen or kinda well-off. Not to stereotype but kids from more humble backgrounds might be tempted with the money.

I have read that SBU also tried to recruit him. Wonder why he opted to go to Letran, Letran still has up and coming pieces for them to contend even without Abando.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

Ping was heavier earlier in his career. I didn't see him play. But I assumed he was foreseen to play a classic frontline position. He was a top pick IRC. But it didn't pan out early in his career. He is undersized and doesn't have much skill on offense. Two things I think helped to form him to the Ping we know. First, was an ACL injury. He was forced to drastically lose his weight. Second, was being under coach Tim Cone. Tim is one of our more creative coaches. He doesn't really put players in a box. The more versatile they can be the better for him. With San Mig Coffee he formed a team defensive oriented deep and versatile. Ping didn't have to play heavy minutes or be a force on offense. He just had to be a defensive stopper and a facilitator on offense. San Mig Coffee didn't have any dominant individual players. None of them became BPC contenders in their 4 peat conference sweep. Which says a lot because they won the Finals for each of those conference and should have had more chances than any team to accumulate stats for their best players. But they were almost 10 man deep regular rotation and they were defensive.

So there. Ping was a good high profile role player for San Mig. Thanks to the distributed minutes and load he was healthy and had enough energy to play for Gilas. That's thanks to Tim Cone.

not really.ping even with MBA at cebu gems, he was already fit and not heavy. unpolished but the hussle was there. i was always excited to see him play for the gems during his days.

 

[Rds2]

not really.ping even with MBA at cebu gems, he was already fit and not heavy. unpolished but the hussle was there. i was always excited to see him play for the gems during his days.

I stand corrected. But looking at his younger pics it seems he lost some weight. But I still maintain if Cone didnt handle him he might not have been the player we know now. He doesnt have good post moves for a big. Doesnt have an outside shot. He is a good defender but you have to be creative in putting him in offensive sets. With Tim Cone he didnt need to be a good scorer nor did he need to play many minutes. What if Leo handled him? How was his play in Air 21 or before Cone handled him?

 

[IPC2]

I stand corrected. But looking at his younger pics it seems he lost some weight. But I still maintain if Cone didnt handle him he might not have been the player we know now. He doesnt have good post moves for a big. Doesnt have an outside shot. He is a good defender but you have to be creative in putting him in offensive sets. With Tim Cone he didnt need to be a good scorer nor did he need to play many minutes. What if Leo handled him? How was his play in Air 21 or before Cone handled him?

He actually made his money under Ryan Gregorio's Purefoods, the with Siot Tanquincen in San Miguel, then with Purefoods again under Gregorio and Cone.

Most probably he developed under Gregorio. Purefoods had Simon, Yap, and Raymundo. Ping just had to rebound and defend.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

He actually made his money under Ryan Gregorio's Purefoods, the with Siot Tanquincen in San Miguel, then with Purefoods again under Gregorio and Cone.

Most probably he developed under Gregorio. Purefoods had Simon, Yap, and Raymundo. Ping just had to rebound and defend.

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

 

[IPC2]

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. His improvement on offense was under Cone and his triangle. It helped him be a good passer, and developed a bit of a post game.

 

[Rodbi2]

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

Pre-CTC Ping - one of those tough and no-fear guys. Can be lumped with the likes of Ronnie Matias, Belga, Espinas, Jondan Salvador, etc., but would still rise above as he had the edge in athleticism and motor.

During and post-CTC Ping - definitely was a Gilas cornerstone. Used well his pro career-developed attributes, which helped him show steadiness and maturity in the international game.

 

[IPC2]

Any news of the possible Gilas stint in the PBA 2nd conference?

Hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin. Man, I hope to see Gilas in action again.

 

[IPC2]

Jonnel Policarpio also from that Delta stable like Balthazar, 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan, has potential to be a wing looks more like a Giannis of player type for now

https://slamonlineph.com/slamrisingstars-2019-jonnel-policarpio/

Standing at 6’4″ with a 6’9″ wingspan, the Mapua Red Robins’ Jonnel Policarpio could be the next “Spider-Man” in the Philippine basketball scene. He already introduced himself as one of the elite high school players in the country in just his first year.

The rookie made his debut in the last NCAA season, where right away, he made a positive impact. He impressed, despite having the immense pressure to fill the void that former MVP Will Gozum and Mythical selection Warren Bonifacio left.

The 16-year-old forward won the rookie of the year award in the NCAA season 94 Juniors Division and was a huge reason why Mapua won their second title in three years after reclaiming the crown from La Salle Greenhills in their finals rematch.

Jonnel has the potential to follow in Arwind Santos’ footsteps. He plays the same position and hails from Pampanga as well. But more than that, it’s because of his incredible length and athleticism. Both of them have a knack for battling for the rebounds despite their skinny frame. Both are great rim protectors, using their long wingspan to deter shots.

I wonder if Tab can talk with Pineda again to get this kid. If he develops into an effective wing player, this is going to be great both for Gilas and for La Salle.

I hope Gilas is making an effort to recruit this kid into the program. He shows good upside to be a wing and to guard the 2, 3, and 4 positions thanks to his 6'5" height, athleticism, and 6'10" wingspan. Hope Gilas can get an opportunity to develop him.

He's a Pineda kid. Again, hope Tab can talk to Pineda about letting him play for (or at least practice with) the senior team.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin. Man, I hope to see Gilas in action again.

I have a feeling its coach Tab who doesn't really like the idea of a PBA stint by Gilas. Perhaps he thinks that PBA style of play doesn't replicate the FIBA style of game, hence a Gilas stint in the PBA would be a bit detrimental to the national team.

Whatever, I think all of us here would be in agreement that Gilas should have an international tournament stint prior to the February window qualifier games. Perhaps the Dubai International tournament would be a very good option.

 

[IPC2]

Mark Pingris is really a one of a kind big man. Imagine a 6-foot-4 power forward/"four" being able to hold his own or even get the better against 6-foot-7/6-foot-8 Asian counterparts. Imagine how much height Ping had to give up against those taller Asian power forwards or fours. Eh yung ibang bigs ma outsized lang ng 1 or 2 inches ng kalaban eh sira na ang laro. And we're talking here of an undersized big guy whose outside shooting is non-existent.

But as I've said, Ping is a one of a kind type of a player. He's almost a generational type of a player. It would be very very dificult to find another Mark Pingris out there. Just as it would be very very difficult to find another Charles Barkley who like Pingris was also an undersized power forward yet one of the best in the planet during his era.

Pingris' toughness, energy & competitiveness are ridiculous that they more than compensate for his shortcoming in size & skills.

Ping really transcended his position and could guard any position on the floor. This is why in my opinion, a Pingris type can be a big, or even a wing or a guard.

The question is, who is probably the closest? That guy can guard at least 4 positions, just to approximate Ping.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

https://www.interbasket.net/forums/...ines-Senior-National-Team-Thread-Vol-V/page69

This player is considered a late bloomer to think that some 4 years ago, his name was nowhere in Philippine amateur basketball. This to think that 4 years ago, he was already 21 yrs old - an age when most Pinoy basketball players are usually already making a name in amateur basketball. I've read his basketball career story which of course is very inspiring considering that he learned to play the game very late & he lived in a place so remote that he wasn't even aware of the NCAA & UAAP college basketball. Imagine if this guy get to play the game much earlier & got exposed to quality training & competition early in his basketball career. I think his basketball skills & athleticism are just so natural that even with inferior basketball background he is able to excel in the game & even became an MVP in college basketball.