Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ccharmed2]

I really would like to see a thompson-newsome-perez fierce entire-game suffocating defense on whoever is doing point guard roles, or is the designated streak shooter of nz. At sg, i would like to see quiambao-heading as they can handle 3point decapitation strikes, as well as hard defense. Brownlee can handle 30 minutes a game at sf very well. Tamayo can spot him with some ten minutes of mild offense and nasty defense. It looks like the recently injured ramos and malonzo might not be around in good condition against nz.

Kai-abay-edu-aguilar is solid at pfc mixing. Though i really would like to see kai and edu more as quicker pf than slower c for the nz game. Nz definitely cant prepare for that. The last player is whoever cone believes will matter more against the final 12 of nz. It can either be a solid athletic defender for tall players like malonzo, or a surprise tall shooter like oftana.

 

[PeeZones2]

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating" as they say. We have yet to beat New Zealand. I don't know how many times Gilas had played NZ since Australia & NZ were integrated to FIBA Asia. All I know is that we lost all our games versus the Tall Blacks. May mga games pa nga na tinambakan tayo ng New Zealand. Even a well prepared PBA-select Gilas team with Dray Blatche couldn't beat New Zealand in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. That was a NZ team without Steven Adams.

That is why ganoon na lamang ka excited tayong mga fans in the upcoming Gilas-New Zealand encounter on Nov. 21. We are so eager to beat New Zealand.

I say, talunin mo na natin ang New Zealand before we can pound our chest & get somewhat cocky.

Do not misinterpret confidence with arrogance and cockiness. Nz fan boys had been hijacking pinoy IBN for so long and had been maligning fil talents eversince. I cant forget how they ridicule jmf as too inferior than tofu.haha Tofu is nowhere near Kai but I get your point. NZ hasnt faced a Kai or Aj led gilas. It is the beginning of the real emergence of our golden gen. Hopefully everything would align come November and I would really prefer to face a full force NZ nt than an incomplete version as insinuated by DAdmiral.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Do not misinterpret confidence with arrogance and cockiness. Nz fan boys had been hijacking pinoy IBN for so long and had been maligning fil talents eversince. I cant forget how they ridicule jmf as too inferior than tofu.haha Tofu is nowhere near Kai but I get your point. NZ hasnt faced a Kai or Aj led gilas. It is the beginning of the real emergence of our golden gen. Hopefully everything would align come November and I would really prefer to face a full force NZ nt than an incomplete version as insinuated by DAdmiral.

What I'm implying is that mas may karapatan naman yang mga New Zealand fan boys magyabang kisa sa atin since sa match-up between Gilas & NZ eh lamang sila kisa sa atin. As what I've said, we have yet to beat NZ at tambak pa halos yung mga talo natin sa NZ.

Tayo rin naman (Pinoy basketball fans) ay mayabang din & seem to trash talk yung mga teams na pinagtatalo natin. I remember about a decade ago we cockily boasted how we always beat Chinese Taipei. Some posters even call Chinese Taipei as our bitch. Then came in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship where Chinese Taipei humbled us by beating our team in the eliminations & we would have faced China in the quarterfinals becoz of that loss. We were lucky that we got help from Qatar (Qatar beat Chinese Taipei) which arranged a Gilas-Kazakhstan quarterfinal match instead of a Gilas-China match up. That was a humbling experience for us.

Now with the current Gilas team that we have, do I believe we are capable of beating NZ? Yes. Pero patunayan muna natin yan before we pound our chest. Let's prove that first bago tayo magyabang.

 

[all_about2]

Perez, Fajardo, Japeth, Newsome, Scottie, Oftana, Brownlee, Kai, Edu.... are 9 players. There are three more

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Perez, Fajardo, Japeth, Newsome, Scottie, Oftana, Brownlee, Kai, Edu.... are 9 players. There are three more

Dwight, Tamayo, Malonzo (I don't know if he can play by then), Quiambao (Will he be available?), Mason Amos are the other members of the pool

 

[PeeZones2]

What I'm implying is that mas may karapatan naman yang mga New Zealand fan boys magyabang kisa sa atin since sa match-up between Gilas & NZ eh lamang sila kisa sa atin. As what I've said, we have yet to beat NZ at tambak pa halos yung mga talo natin sa NZ.

Tayo rin naman (Pinoy basketball fans) ay mayabang din & seem to trash talk yung mga teams na pinagtatalo natin. I remember about a decade ago we cockily boast how we always beat Chinese Taipei. Some posters even call Chinese Taipei as our bitch. Then came in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship where Chinese Taipei humbled us by beating our team in the eliminations & we would have faced China in the quarterfinals becoz of that loss. We were lucky that we got help from Qatar (Qatar beat Chinese Taipei) which arrange a Gilas-Kazakhstan quarterfinal match instead of a Gilas-China match up. That was a humbling experience for us.

Now with the current Gilas team that we have, do I believe we are capable of beating NZ? Yes. Pero patunayan muna natin yan before we pound our chest. Let's prove that first bago tayo magyabang.

Pwde naman silang magyabang kahit saan kasi nature nila yan.lol pero sa pinas forum ganyan gawain nila that is uncalled and out of place. Pero if majority ng forumers kasi kinick naman lahat halos yung die hard gilas fans ayan na nga nangyari dito. I would admit that the chot led Gilas who was always incomplete was inferior and outcoached by NZ. Abang2x nalang sa November pero dapat ngayun sila magyabang kasi panahon na nila kai.haha Grb pa namang panglalait sa pinoy players at pangbibuild up nila sa NZ players.lol

It is just high time na we Gilas fans should be confident this time around.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Pwde naman silang magyabang kahit saan kasi nature nila yan.lol pero sa pinas forum ganyan gawain nila that is uncalled and out of place. Pero if majority ng forumers kasi kinick naman lahat halos yung die hard gilas fans ayan na nga nangyari dito. I would admit that the chot led Gilas who was always incomplete was inferior and outcoached by NZ. Abang2x nalang sa November pero dapat ngayun sila magyabang kasi panahon na nila kai.haha Grb pa namang panglalait sa pinoy players at pangbibuild up nila sa NZ players.lol

It is just high time na we Gilas fans should be confident this time around.

I say, talunin muna natin yung New Zealand at saka tayo magyabang. In terms of being confident, yes we have more reason now to be confident more than ever becoz mas malakas na talaga team natin ngayon kisa yung mga times na pinagtatalo tayo ng NZ, that is why it is really a must that Gilas beats NZ on Nov. 21. The thing is, even D'Admiral/analyzed admits that Gilas is favored to win against NZ this November. He mentioned that most likely NZ is going to miss a No. of its key players in this 2nd window & of course he is aware that Gilas now, with Kai, Edu, Dwight, Brownlee & the still dependable Junmar Fajardo, is stronger compared to the past iterations of Gilas.

 

[ccharmed2]

Better handling of naturalized players is also a must. It is suicidal to ever go below four pfc bigs. If one is injured, the least that can be done is to plug in someone like kouame or qmb. This may mean the team has to do without the aging brownlee. In this case, a local like baltazar may replace him at sf. There are also a lot of old nt guards, and candidates should be named.

Of course, a pool of more than 12 players is still expensive. The sanmig group would be right to minimize its expense exposure.

This is why i really believe that whoever the pba paymaster is, they should in principle fund only their preferred 9 players and main coach. The sbp should really start working by looking for financiers of the remaining 7 players and assistant coaches in the pool during their man-days of nt duties.

 

[IPC2]

Better handling of naturalized players is also a must. It is suicidal to ever go below four pfc bigs. If one is injured, the least that can be done is to plug in someone like kouame or qmb. This may mean the team has to do without the aging brownlee. In this case, a local like baltazar may replace him at sf. There are also a lot of old nt guards, and candidates should be named.

Of course, a pool of more than 12 players is still expensive. The sanmig group would be right to minimize its expense exposure.

This is why i really believe that whoever the pba paymaster is, they should in principle fund only their preferred 9 players and main coach. The sbp should really start working by looking for financiers of the remaining 7 players and assistant coaches in the pool during their man-days of nt duties.

JB's 36, June Mar turns 35 in November, Newsome's 34, Scottie's 31, and CJ turns 31 in November. Scottie and CJ could be fine until 2027, but I think we need a succession plan for JB, June Mar, and Newsome.

Our NP's so far are just JB, JC, and Ange, with Bennie Boatwright on the way (although I see little news about his naturalization process lately). I think we need to adjust our roster and system (on both ends) depending on the NP. For example, we need reliable shot creators if Ange is there, we need at least one decent interior defender at 4/5 if JC's there. With Bennie, we need either a decent interior defender at 4/5 and/or at least one good perimeter defender at each of the 1, 2, and 3 positions to limit dribble penetration if Kai and AJ are not on the floor. On that note, I think Oftana and Malonzo need to work on their perimeter defense in the FIBA game, although I thought Oftana was decent defensively in the OQT.

As for PBA players, I think we need to be selective as to who goes in the NT once replacements come in. The players have to be good for the FIBA game and have to be serviceable until at least the 2029 FIBA Asia Cup.

Agreed on the pool of more than 12. Emergency additions and long-term prosects in case of injury or Gilas retirement.

 

[carmelo72]

Japan and Philippines are kinda having a lot of depth in terms of Asian Level Natonal Players.

Jordan is kinda in the rise too. And Lebanon even if El Khatib will retire soon, if not retired yet.


Usually, it was China, Korea, and Iran.

Iran is significantly weaker imo.

Iran was one team that we really memorized their full starting 5 of Kamrani, Sahakian, Bahrami, Garduce, and Hadaddi.

Korea, I cannot even name one star player that stick in my Mind in 2010s. But their ball movement and shooting was always a problem for us

China is always strong because the never lack 7 Footers. Every decade, they had like 3 or more 7 footers. Lmao.



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Actually if you check the CBA rosters you'd find 22 chinese players who are at least 7-footers and up (2.13) with 7 players measuring 7'2 to 7'5 (2.19 to 2.25 meters) Lol
Well we only have one in Kai but ours is better hehe

But the most impressive though is that China has 57 players between 6'9 to 6'11 and 75 players between 6'5 to 6'7. Coach and system lang tlga issue

 

[carmelo72]

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating" as they say. We have yet to beat New Zealand. I don't know how many times Gilas had played NZ since Australia & NZ were integrated to FIBA Asia. All I know is that we lost all our games versus the Tall Blacks. May mga games pa nga na tinambakan tayo ng New Zealand. Even a well prepared PBA-select Gilas team with Dray Blatche couldn't beat New Zealand in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. That was a NZ team without Steven Adams.

That is why ganoon na lamang ka excited tayong mga fans in the upcoming Gilas-New Zealand encounter on Nov. 21. We are so eager to beat New Zealand.

I say, talunin mo na natin ang New Zealand before we can pound our chest & get somewhat cocky.

I watched the game between NZ and Croatia during Olympic qualifiers and Im not sure how Gilas can sustain that type of energy against NZ. Kung baga sa NBA2k they're always using turbo Lol Pero its Tim Cone so I have high hopes as well

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I watched the game between NZ and Croatia during Olympic qualifiers and Im not sure how Gilas can sustain that type of energy against NZ. Kung baga sa NBA2k they're always using turbo Lol Pero its Tim Cone so I have high hopes as well

I think that was a full force or complete New Zealand national team that beat Croatia in the 2024 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. But NZ usually does not send a full force national team in the qualifying windows. And as according to D'Admiral, NZ may missed a number of its key players in the coming 2nd window of the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers. So this 2nd window is the perfect opportunity of Gilas to finally beat NZ.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

JB's 36, June Mar turns 35 in November, Newsome's 34, Scottie's 31, and CJ turns 31 in November. Scottie and CJ could be fine until 2027, but I think we need a succession plan for JB, June Mar, and Newsome.

Our NP's so far are just JB, JC, and Ange, with Bennie Boatwright on the way (although I see little news about his naturalization process lately). I think we need to adjust our roster and system (on both ends) depending on the NP. For example, we need reliable shot creators if Ange is there, we need at least one decent interior defender at 4/5 if JC's there. With Bennie, we need either a decent interior defender at 4/5 and/or at least one good perimeter defender at each of the 1, 2, and 3 positions to limit dribble penetration if Kai and AJ are not on the floor. On that note, I think Oftana and Malonzo need to work on their perimeter defense in the FIBA game, although I thought Oftana was decent defensively in the OQT.

As for PBA players, I think we need to be selective as to who goes in the NT once replacements come in. The players have to be good for the FIBA game and have to be serviceable until at least the 2029 FIBA Asia Cup.

Agreed on the pool of more than 12. Emergency additions and long-term prosects in case of injury or Gilas retirement.

That's why letting go of RHJ is a big mistake.. we all know JC will be not always available while JB is nearing retirement soon.. Boatwright is not sure how he will perform post injury.. RHJ could have been the perfect choice for us.. can play all positions, can shoot, good defender, can make his teammates better, he can fit alongside Kai and AJ.. we can't find another guy like him that can play all out every game...

 

[sroth38392]

That's why letting go of RHJ is a big mistake.. we all know JC will be not always available while JB is nearing retirement soon.. Boatwright is not sure how he will perform post injury.. RHJ could have been the perfect choice for us.. can play all positions, can shoot, good defender, can make his teammates better, he can fit alongside Kai and AJ.. we can't find another guy like him that can play all out every game...

RHJ wasn’t let go.

He chose Jordan because our naturalization path was too long and he wanted to play right away.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...pect-sbp-gilas-pilipinas-jordan-a793-20230922

Remember, we also had JC as our first choice back then, followed by Brownlee then Ange.

RHJ already represented Jordan. That ship has sailed. Best move on.

Even so, I still firmly believe a legit 6'10+ PF/C should be our Naturalized Player going forward because we don’t produce plenty of Kai Sottos and Aj Edus.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

That's why letting go of RHJ is a big mistake.. we all know JC will be not always available while JB is nearing retirement soon.. Boatwright is not sure how he will perform post injury.. RHJ could have been the perfect choice for us.. can play all positions, can shoot, good defender, can make his teammates better, he can fit alongside Kai and AJ.. we can't find another guy like him that can play all out every game...

RHJ's 3pt shooting is suspect. It was exposed during the championship game between Gilas & Jordan in last year's Asian Games. He isn't like a Justin Brownlee na talagang deadly from 3pt range.

 

[ccharmed2]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

 

[IPC2]

RHJ's 3pt shooting is suspect. It was exposed during the championship game between Gilas & Jordan in last year's Asian Games. He isn't like a Justin Brownlee na talagang deadly from 3pt range.

Yeah, you need shooters around a guy like RHJ just to offset his lack of shooting.

 

[IPC2]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

To be fair to Chot, TNT did become a defensive team under him. Guess he did learn from the Gilas learning experiences. Hahahahahaha.

But yeah, we should get personnel that can be capable backups for Kai and AJ, or at the very least, get players who can compensate for their absence, especially defensively.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Yeah, you need shooters around a guy like RHJ just to offset his lack of shooting.

This is the reason why we really like Brownlee as he is a deadly 3pt shooter & a versatile player at that. Aside from a deadshot from the 3pt range, Brownlee can slash, can hit from mid-range & can even post up. Of course Brownlee can defend too.

If I am to choose between JB & RHJ, I will still choose JB. The only downside on JB is his age.

 

[carmelo72]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

One of the worst takes I've ever read and seen in years. Cone and his version of Gilas won in Asian games, against Latvia and made Gilas competitive against Poland, Turkey, Georgia and Brazil. And just because they dropped 2 games in the PBA finals and doesn't follow your dream selection process he's now a terrible coach w/ an awful program.
You don't understand the dynamics of building a national team on a Philippine setting, we're not China that can just call up
players that we need. Numerous favors and deals have to be settled before players (outside of SMC) can step on the court.