Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE2]

I think there will come a time that Al Chua should eventually make Tim Cone focus solely on the national team and make him a full time Gilas coach.

Yeah. Maybe that time will come if Ginebra will struggle to win more championships in the PBA.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I think there will come a time that Al Chua should eventually make Tim Cone focus solely on the national team and make him a full time Gilas coach.

As should be... His attention is now between both Gilas and Ginebra and we all know it is not working... Chot did this before and it cost one of their potential championship few years back (I think it was against SMB).. CYG also did the same and it backfired too.. even coach tab Baldwin had to choose between Gilas and Ateneo...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I've rewatched a No. of Gilas games in last year's Asian Games & it was evident that coach Tim Cone was able to utilize Junmar Fajardo's post up game better than coach Chot Reyes did with Gilas. I think it has a lot to do with the different coaching philosophy & style that the 2 coaches have. Cone has his triangle offense while Chot runs his drive-dribble.

I really think that in Asian-basketball level the post up game (or also known as the back-to-the,-basket game among big men) could still be a big weapon especially if one's team has a skilled center& enjoys some height advantage over the big men of other teams.

Dyan tayo pinatay ng Iran eh with 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi during Iran's golden generation. China also took advantage of their edge in the center position over us during the 90's. I remember our centers had to give up as many as 5 to 6 inches against the towering centers of China & Iran. Now, the field has become even. China can no longer outsize our centers. While Iran, now that Haddadi had retired from the national team & there is really no quality 7-foot center to succeed him, is now somewhat outsized by our Kai Sotto & AJ Edu.

 

[sroth38392]

I've rewatched a No. of Gilas games in last year's Asian Games & it was evident that coach Tim Cone was able to utilize Junmar Fajardo's post up game better than coach Chot Reyes did with Gilas. I think it has a lot to do with the different coaching philosophy & style that the 2 coaches have. Cone has his triangle offense while Chot runs his drive-dribble.

I really think that in Asian-basketball level the post up game (or also known as the back-to-the,-basket game among big men) could still be a big weapon especially if one's team has a skilled center& enjoys some height advantage over the big men of other teams.

Dyan tayo pinatay ng Iran eh with 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi during Iran's golden generation. China also took advantage of their edge in the center position over us during the 90's. I remember our centers had to give up as many as 5 to 6 inches against the towering centers of China & Iran. Now, the field has become even. China can no longer outsize our centers. While Iran, now that Haddadi had retired from the national team & there is really no quality 7-foot center to succeed him, is now somewhat outsized by our Kai Sotto & AJ Edu.

Honestly? Choke and Joke do not know how to utilize big men, period.

Their system involves having 5 players with guard level skills. Similar to GSW and the Heatles.

That’s why it’s same plays whenever we have possession. The big in their system is basically an abangan center whose role is to rebound and make put backs.

This is why we had Blatche. He is a big with guard level skills unlike Japeth and Junemar.

Yeah, DDO can work but you need NBA level players for it to be effective.

I, myself, am a 5-out or 4-out-1-in motion offense guy but I wouldn’t fully implement it in our current team because we would need players in the 1-3 positions to be Jordan Clarkson level good as well as high percentage outside shooters.

 

[IPC2]

Honestly? Choke and Joke do not know how to utilize big men, period.

Their system involves having 5 players with guard level skills. Similar to GSW and the Heatles.

That’s why it’s same plays whenever we have possession. The big in their system is basically an abangan center whose role is to rebound and make put backs.

This is why we had Blatche. He is a big with guard level skills unlike Japeth and Junemar.

Yeah, DDO can work but you need NBA level players for it to be effective.

I, myself, am a 5-out or 4-out-1-in motion offense guy but I wouldn’t fully implement it in our current team because we would need players in the 1-3 positions to be Jordan Clarkson level good as well as high percentage outside shooters.

That's why the Reyes lineups are undersized, especially 1-3. Similar to what you said, you need the players in the 1-3 positions to have guard skills to be good in the Reyes system. Most importantly, you have to be able to create your own shot or shoot. That's why when Chot's 3 is not Gabe, it's usually 6'2" Fonacier, 6'2" Chan, 6'4" Wright, 6'2" Pogoy, 6'2" Thirdy, 6'4" JC, and 6'4" Dwight. Guys like Malonzo and Navarro are 4's in his system.

Their 4's are usually stretch bigs like Troy or RDO, or a guy like Ping. The only guy he used as a small ball 4 is Dwight.

The Reyes father and son have warped our concept of small ball, thinking it's literally small. Conceptually, it's replacing a classic 4 with a similar-sized player who has the skills of a wing (Tatum, LeBron, Battier, KD) and/or a center with similar-sized player who has the skillset of a four (Bosh, Amar'e) or even a tweener (Draymond).

The reference points are the 4 and 5, not the 1, 2, and 3 spots. What the Reyes father and son do is reverse the reference points, e.

 

[Joe Yabuki2]

That's why the Reyes lineups are undersized, especially 1-3. Similar to what you said, you need the players in the 1-3 positions to have guard skills to be good in the Reyes system. Most importantly, you have to be able to create your own shot or shoot. That's why when Chot's 3 is not Gabe, it's usually 6'2" Fonacier, 6'2" Chan, 6'4" Wright, 6'2" Pogoy, 6'2" Thirdy, 6'4" JC, and 6'4" Dwight. Guys like Malonzo and Navarro are 4's in his system.

Their 4's are usually stretch bigs like Troy or RDO, or a guy like Ping. The only guy he used as a small ball 4 is Dwight.

The Reyes father and son have warped our concept of small ball, thinking it's literally small. Conceptually, it's replacing a classic 4 with a similar-sized player who has the skills of a wing (Tatum, LeBron, Battier, KD) and/or a center with similar-sized player who has the skillset of a four (Bosh, Amar'e) or even a tweener (Draymond).

The reference points are the 4 and 5, not the 1, 2, and 3 spots. What the Reyes father and son do is reverse the reference points, e.

Kelly Williams on Sta Lucia was an all around as close as Lebron player that the PBA had, then he went to TNT and became a glorified rebounder

 

[ccharmed2]

Kelly Williams on Sta Lucia was an all around as close as Lebron player that the PBA had, then he went to TNT and became a glorified rebounder

Right. When i first encountered this ddo concept, what became clear was that all 5 players on the team -- regardless of position and size -- must have excellent ball control and passing, whether in the perimeter or well under the basket. How the seyers completely sold the basketball decision makers on bansotizing this tactic with banzai suicide guards still stumps me today. The thing is you must have something like 6'5 to 6'9 players like mj and lebron -- who are actually also first five in attack and defense modes -- as your main ddo players.

 

[CoJ2]

Kelly Williams on Sta Lucia was an all around as close as Lebron player that the PBA had, then he went to TNT and became a glorified rebounder

To be fair Kelly was already sick when he was acquired by TNT. He lost most of his athleticism and explosiveness due to to that blood condition

 

[IPC2]

For starting-level or big-minute players for Gilas, here are acceptable archetypes at the minimum, in my opinion:

PG: Jayson Castro, Jimmy Alapag (if 183cm and below; shot creating point guards who can facilitate), Chris Newsome (188cm+ defensive combo guard who can contribute on offense), Robert Bolick (185cm scoring guard who can pass)

SG: Dwight Ramos (if 193cm+; 193cm+ two-way player), Jordan Heading (188cm+ combo guard who can shoot and defend), Chris Newsome (188cm+ defensive combo guard who can contribute on offense), Marcio Lassiter (188cm 3&D off-guard who can create some) - minimum at 188cm

SF: Gabe Norwood (198cm+ defensive guy) - minimum at 198cm

PF: AJ Edu (for big PF's; versatile defensive PF) 2021 Gilas Justine Baltazar (for tweeners; 201cm+ versatile defensive tweener who can switch and help), Justin Brownlee (for small ball 4's; 198cm+ versatile small ball 4) - minimum at 201cm for bigger PF's, and 198cm for small ball PF's

C: Marcus Douthit (big who can score inside and anchor a defense), Ange Kouame (big who can anchor a defense), Kai Sotto (rim running big who can block some shots), AJ Edu (versatile defensive big who can anchor a defense) - minimum at 206cm; if 203cm or shorter, compensate with length, strength, and defensive versatility

That's what I've thought of for now for our big-minutes players starters, or closers at those positions. Any adjustments from you guys would be appreciated.

 

[IPC2]

I totally agree on all degree that Iran is still a team to reckon with even though Haddadi and Samad already call it quit.

with Yackchali and Jamshidi as the team's older statemen with the additions of some lads from the recent Under teams

worth mentioning those guys who gave our rag tag team a run for their money in the last Asian Games

I think Iran are putting up another foundation for that so-called "2nd wave of that Golden Generation"

in fact someone whisper to me that they will parading a slew of young Persians that they are grooming for future battle

starting from this year's FIBA Asia U18 tourney.

as for our beloved youth program, personally I haven't seen kids that could eventually elevated to the Senior team

Andy Gemao and Kiefer Alas are very promising young lads but the 6'0 to 6'3 level are already saturated

and we badly need warm bodies for the 6-5 and above category

let see what will be the work rate of these edition of our "It It boys with there It It coach" for the coming U18

maybe a slight improvement compared to the recently concluded WC U17

"pa konti konti lang ayos na yan" trans. for our youth program mediocrity is the best policy for now.

Here, it doesn't matter who will be elevated to the seniors level.. some of current players of Gilas didn't played any single youth teams in the past... Because we are basketball country, we have so many players that we can choose even outside of those players who played in youth program... Don't be surprise if those who didn't played in Gilas youth program will be the ones who will be Gilas mainstay in the future...

except for Kai, AJ, Carl, Mason no other names was elevated from youth going to Seniors from that time until now

I don't think KQ was a product of our youth team( I stand to be corrected on this)

for 2027 and beyond I think as per my personal observation( I do hope I'm wrong) we were mostly relying to get an exemption for QMB, Lucero, Mike Philips, BGR, Terrence Hill, Remy Martin, JJ Mandaquit, Kamaka Hepa or even Dylan Harper as an added warm bodies for the next cycles to replace the elder ones.

for me on some degree I ain't sold on that

I rather traverse the path of starting from the Youth team going to the Senior level, that's the ideal process for me.

yup lads like Caellum, Zaid, Konov, Bayla, Pachuki, Jayden Harper, James Sanderson, Tyler Bailey who already acquired their respective PH pass and few of them already played for a sanctioned tournaments but haven't tested yet on the Senior level.

we still need more especially in the 6'5 and above category as part of the long term program

I've already seen some of our Philippine born kids like Prince Carino, Daep, Ples among others and that's a good sign moving forward

the recent Las Vegas Training Camp conducted by coach Norman, the new ED in collaboration with Filam Nation is a good sign

and I think majority of those kids and their parents will come over and play for next year's edition of NBTC Manila Live games

just like Japan Basketball we really need to step up and compete toe to toe with Australia on the coming years

as yesterday's PSA forum with CYG as the main guest, even though I haven't watch the FB live of that forum

but as per articles released today he mentioned that it doesn't end as a mere paper judgement but rather he wanna make sure

the remittances will take effect immediately.

from now on I will never stop using this "Philippine Sports landscape already had money for our Grassroot Development moving forward".

In our context, we won't be given a lot of training time. Thus, we need our chemistry to be built over time, making only piecemeal (paisa-isa) additions. Otherwise, there's a likelihood that our guys will be playing like headless chickens.

That's why we need as many capable youngsters starting from the ranks, or at least from the team B, so that at least they know the system when they get promoted. Well, for that we will need the same or similar offensive system and defensive schemes, as well as positional standards.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

In our context, we won't be given a lot of training time. Thus, we need our chemistry to be built over time, making only piecemeal (paisa-isa) additions. Otherwise, there's a likelihood that our guys will be playing like headless chickens.

That's why we need as many capable youngsters starting from the ranks, or at least from the team B, so that at least they know the system when they get promoted. Well, for that we will need the same or similar offensive system and defensive schemes, as well as positional standards.

Sir IPC,

that is why we salute CYG and his Lawyer for their effort to make sure Philippine Sports benefits what's really on the Law.

now it's all about actual implementation and when it happens

surely all our aspirations as far as Grassroot Development not only on basketball but on all sports discipline will now be possible

definitely private entity are still needed for this endeavour because it's not a one man gang and PSC needs all the needed support

having a Cadet Team or Team B is the best practice as part of sustainability before promoting to Gilas main team.

 

[IPC2]

Arvin will not reach his full potential if he stayed with Ginebra, if he will improve his defense and lateral speed, he can be a good addition to the national team

If we have better defenders at the wings, or Arvin himself improves his perimeter defense, and he can hit threes in low volume, he'd be a good Gilas option at the 3, e.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

If we have better defenders at the wings, or Arvin himself improves his perimeter defense, and he can hit threes in low volume, he'd be a good Gilas option at the 3, e.

speaking of defense i think RJ will not yet be considered for the national team, in the first 2 games he was getting scored easily by whoever he is guarding, that's why in the last few minutes of the game against SMB, CTC fielded Maverick over him

 

[IPC2]

speaking of defense i think RJ will not yet be considered for the national team, in the first 2 games he was getting scored easily by whoever he is guarding, that's why in the last few minutes of the game against SMB, CTC fielded Maverick over him

That's been an issue with RJ for the longest time, nothing new. Good news is, nowhere to go but up.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

That's been an issue with RJ for the longest time, nothing new. Good news is, nowhere to go but up.

his uncle was a decent on-ball defender with Alaska, among the smallest guys in the league i think Caram is the best defender

 

[Joe Yabuki2]

speaking of defense i think RJ will not yet be considered for the national team, in the first 2 games he was getting scored easily by whoever he is guarding, that's why in the last few minutes of the game against SMB, CTC fielded Maverick over him

RoS targeted him specifically for the comeback, guys like Carracut were shooting open threes leaving him behind screens, handoffs. But yes, Cone himself did say hes not yet close for Gilas duties. Good thing in a way that he's in a team that values playing basketball properly ie taking good shots, doing smart decisions, playing good defense.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

RoS targeted him specifically for the comeback, guys like Carracut were shooting open threes leaving him behind screens, handoffs. But yes, Cone himself did say hes not yet close for Gilas duties. Good thing in a way that he's in a team that values playing basketball properly ie taking good shots, doing smart decisions, playing good defense.

he needs to improve his defense it's a must playing for CTC, even Pringle significantly improved his defense when was playing with ginebra, what i noticed with Rjay is he don't move his feet enough in defense, Caram who is a much shorter player is nimble and pesky making and also has good strength to not be abused in post ups

 

[Athrunzala2]

he needs to improve his defense it's a must playing for CTC, even Pringle significantly improved his defense when was playing with ginebra, what i noticed with Rjay is he don't move his feet enough in defense, Caram who is a much shorter player is nimble and pesky making and also has good strength to not be abused in post ups

there is really no effort on defense because he is saving his energy for the offense

 

[zairex2]

That what I was worried about Rjay coaching under TC, Rjay is a free-flowing player while TC is a strict Triangel offense. Which will prevail or can they work together

 

[Metta2]

That what I was worried about Rjay coaching under TC, Rjay is a free-flowing player while TC is a strict Triangel offense. Which will prevail or can they work together

His problem is on the defensive end.

On offense, he has good enough bbiq/skills to imitate the role of Johnny A. The triangle takes a while to get used to.