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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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lem0nadi said:
How come the downfall of Iran still can't be seen from rankings right now. They are not doing great for these past years.
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Because they’re still doing okay.

They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)
 
sroth3839 said:
Because they’re still doing okay.

They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)
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Correct.
Iran turning out to out the best Asian team in the 2019 FIBA World Cup earned the Iranians a spot in the 2021 Olympics.

Although Iran is on a decline post-2019 World Cup, it hasn't done that badly in the last 4 years as it finished 5th in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup & qualified in the 2023 World Cup. Though Iran isn't the same team anymore as its golden generation team with the retirement from the national team of legendary wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & Hamed Haddadi obviously in the twilight of his career (Haddadi eventuually retired from national team service last year), Iran remains to be a competitive team which can beat any contender team in Asian basketball. We've seen that in last year's 2023 Asian Games where muntikan na nila tinalo ang Gilas in the quarterfinals. This despite Iran missing several key players.

I think current Iran team is no longer a strong contender for the top 4 in the Asia-Oceania basketball, but I think it still remains as a dangerous team to any contender team in Asian basketball.
 
lem0nadi said:
How come the downfall of Iran still can't be seen from rankings right now. They are not doing great for these past years.
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This is 8 year FIBA ranking cycle... Since 2017, Iran did great

2nd place in 2017 FIBA Asia cup

23rd in 2019 FIBA World cup, highest among Asian teams

Qualified for 2021 Olympics

Only Asian team that has good record vs Australia since 2017 (2-3 vs Aussies)...

5th place in 2022 FIBA Asia cup

That's the reason they are still high, the biggest impact is their qualification to Olympics that will take effect until 2029 under 8 year FIBA ranking cycle...
 
sroth3839 said:
Because they’re still doing okay.

They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)
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Under 8 year FIBA ranking cycle, Iran will remain top of rankings because of their 2021 Olympic participation... That's huge points... Just look at Japan and South Sudan, both tremendously leap forward in FIBA rankings due to their Olympic participation plus good performance there... We can't surpass Iran until we qualify for 2028 Olympics or that 8 year rule for Iran will lapse, maybe in 2029....
 
JAMSKIE said:
Correct.
Iran turning out to out the best Asian team in the 2019 FIBA World Cup earned the Iranians a spot in the 2021 Olympics.

Although Iran is on a decline post-2019 World Cup, it hasn't done that badly in the last 4 years as it finished 5th in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup & qualified in the 2023 World Cup. Though Iran isn't the same team anymore as its golden generation team with the retirement from the national team of legendary wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & Hamed Haddadi obviously in the twilight of his career (Haddadi eventuually retired from national team service last year), Iran remains to be a competitive team which can beat any contender team in Asian basketball. We've seen that in last year's 2023 Asian Games where muntikan na nila tinalo ang Gilas in the quarterfinals. This despite Iran missing several key players.

I think current Iran team is no longer a strong contender for the top 4 in the Asia-Oceania basketball, but I think it still remains as a dangerous team to any contender team in Asian basketball.
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Iran is still better than Korea TBH... The Waterloo of Korea basketball... I don't know why Korea still have Iran curse even Iran became weaker... Sabagay, Koreans also become weaker these days...
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Iran is still better than Korea TBH... The Waterloo of Korea basketball... I don't know why Korea still have Iran curse even Iran became weaker... Sabagay, Koreans also become weaker these days...
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Both teams are on transition actually with Korea making a revamp of its roster (I think it has about 6 new players in its current roster) & Iran no longer have its vaunted 1-2 punch in Hamed Haddadi & Samad Bahrami & now has some young but very promising players in its current roster.

Players to watch out for Iran are 6-foot-7 wingman Mohammed Amini & 6-foot-9 power forward Parsa Fallah. The 20-year old Amini has the makings of a Samad Nikkah Bahrami while the 21-year old Fallah is registering impressive stats in his sophomore year in an NCAA Div. 1 school in the US. I expect these guys to spearhead the future of Iran basketball.
 
Where can I buy Gilas Jerseys?

Will visit PH this November after a decade of being abroad.

Any online shops? Most of what I see in eBay is of poor quality.
 
IPC said:
Watching Will Navarro for NorthPort. He's usually on RHJ (when Munzon's not there) or on the best wing like Oftana. However, his men don't usually attack him 1-on-1.

In rotations, though, he seems to lose his man or he's too deep in help. I dunno if it's because of the team defense breaking down too easily or if he's lost his timing.
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If Navarro's aiming to get recalled, he has to play better D, and get some shooting. We need good defenders at the 3, especially if Oftana and Malonzo don't improve much on that end in FIBA.
 
JOI2dWorld said:
Oftana with 2 four-point shots, i hope he will be consistent and will have the confidence to hit open threes in the November window especially against New Zealand
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Despite Oftana's struggle in the recent OQT games & the tune-up games that Gilas played prior to the OQT, I still believe that in the Asia-Oceania basketball level, Oftana would be serviceable. I'm confident his shots will fall in the next 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifying windows & the FIBA Asia Cup tournament proper. He just needs to boost his confidence & some reps in the FIBA game.
 
JAMSKIE said:
Despite Oftana's struggle in the recent OQT games & the tune-up games that Gilas played prior to the OQT, I still believe that in the Asia-Oceania basketball level, Oftana would be serviceable. I'm confident his shots will fall in the next 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifying windows & the FIBA Asia Cup tournament proper. He just needs to boost his confidence & some reps in the FIBA game.
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Maybe prove himself on defense as well while he's at it. Need him and/or Malonzo to be a better man-to-man defender for us.

We need at least one good defender at the wing or bigman positions on the floor once JB retires.
 
IPC said:
If Navarro's aiming to get recalled, he has to play better D, and get some shooting. We need good defenders at the 3, especially if Oftana and Malonzo don't improve much on that end in FIBA.
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Can we consider Will Navarro as a 3-and-D player? We know he's a decent defender at the 3-spot, but what about his 3-pt. shooting? Is his 3-pt shooting good enough for him to be considered as a 3-and-D guy?
A player that could be a 3-and-D prospect for Gilas is 6-foot-5 Ken Tuffin. I think Tuffin's 3-pt shooting is better than Navarro, though I haven't seen much of his game in the PBA to have a good assessment of his defensive skills.
 
JAMSKIE said:
Can we consider Will Navarro as a 3-and-D player? We know he's a decent defender at the 3-spot, but what about his 3-pt. shooting? Is his 3-pt shooting good enough for him to be considered as a 3-and-D guy?
A player that could be a 3-and-D prospect for Gilas is 6-foot-5 Ken Tuffin. I think Tuffin's 3-pt shooting is better than Navarro, though I haven't seen much of his game in the PBA to have a good assessment of his defensive skills.
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Will's 3PT was 13-37 (good for 35.1%) in 2022-23, while he shot 7-27 (25.9%) from there in 2023-24. Up-and-down, although in 2023-24, he was coming off a torn ACL. He's 38-56 (67.9%) from the foul line too, which isn't encouraging for his shooting.
 
Talking about ACL and shooting. Does anybody know if Jack Aminam was such a bad FT shooter before her ACL injury in Europe?
 
Might be off topic but Guiao just won a lawsuit that involves PAGCOR only supplying the PSC less than what was intended (5%) of its funding. Now whether this leads to actual changes remains to be seen. It also doesn't really affect basketball since contrary to snide remarks online, basketball only receives funding from private entities.
 
I think there will come a time that Al Chua should eventually make Tim Cone focus solely on the national team and make him a full time Gilas coach.
 
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