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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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Rds said:
What I like about the Japanese program is they are not NP centric. I would say the NP is the last part of their program.

Their top most effective move is identifying tall players that have the potential to be world level and helping them achieve this. But before to that their domestic HS program is probably top notch. Guard skills are probably taught to everybody. Hachimura, Watanabe and Kawashima? have guard skillls despite being 6’7 to 6’9 tall.

Why cant we have something like this? We probably have more 6’8 guys in thr pipeline than JP. Why cant we give them this training?


2nd is the a domestic league with unlimited height imports. The B league gives locals exposure to international level height and skills. It is like a super UAAP. So you get their midget PGs be aware of what skills to develop in order to be effective against trees. News flash, not all teams like to post their PGs. The number of UAAP products in the Asia leagues bear this out. With FSAs, UAAP players know how to play with and against almost 7 foot centers with length and athleticism.
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We can have something like this.

We’re simply too corrupt and disorganized.

Doesn't help that morons like Vargas, Panlilio, Marcial, and Chua are the ones pulling the strings.
 
sroth3839 said:
We can have something like this.

We’re simply too corrupt and disorganized.

Doesn't help that morons like Vargas, Panlilio, Marcial, and Chua are the ones pulling the strings.
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Other countries' natfeds have some athletes as part of their higher ups. Canada (Rowan Barrett, Steve Nash); USA (Chauncey Billups, Grant Hill); Serbia (Nenad Krstic, Pedrag Danilovic, Zlatko Bolic); South Sudan (Luol Deng); and Spain (Elisa Aguilar).

Here, SBP is being run by business/corporate people that, you may think, don't know d*mn thing about basketball at all. Al Chua is being the closest but I don't think that he is part of SBP.
 
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ja.he said:
Other countries' natfeds have some athletes as part of their higher ups. Canada (Rowan Barrett, Steve Nash); USA (Chauncey Billups, Grant Hill); Serbia (Nenad Krstic, Pedrag Danilovic, Zlatko Bolic); South Sudan (Luol Deng); and Spain (Elisa Aguilar).

Here, SBP is being by business people that, you may think, don't play basketball at all. Al Chua is being the closest but I don't think that he is part of SBP.
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Like WTF are they expecting with the 4 point shot?

Increased viewership? Lmao
 
In fairness, conceptually a 4pt shot might be an equalizer for the smaller guys. Look even Steph cannot be effective with the physicality of the Fiba rules. But a 4pt line might give a niche for smaller guards with insane range.
 
Even the 3pt line was an arbitrary line when it was introduced. But it has revolutionized the game now.
 
C2Hamm said:
If we are going down this road, I want the free three and three point dunk as well.
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MBA used many innovative rules to make the legue more interesting:
  • Free3. Where a fouled player can opt to shoot 1 shot at the 3 point line in lieu of the 2 FTs . If shot goes in, it's worth 3 points.
  • Blitz 3, Where any field goal converted within five seconds of a change of possession will be worth three points.
  • 23 Seconds Shot Clock
  • 8 second time limit to cross the half-court ( now a standard rule in NBA and FIBA)​
 
How I wish that we have a guy like Tatang Huertas in our team - a 6'3 point guard with great floor general skills and great mid-range game.

This could have been RJ Abarrientos but he is just 5'10-5'11.
 
ja.he said:
How I wish that we have a guy like Tatang Huertas in our team - a 6'3 point guard with great floor general skills and great mid-range game.

This could have been RJ Abarrientos but he is just 5'10-5'11.
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That could be Newsome.

With today’s health and fitness programs, players could play up to 41 like Huertas.
 
sroth3839 said:
That could be Newsome.

With today’s health and fitness programs, players could play up to 41 like Huertas.
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Well, Newsome, like Tatang Huertas, is good at mid-range. In terms of height, Newsome is not that far behind at 6'1. The similarities end there as Huertas is really a floor general while Newsome is more of a defensive point guard.
 
Rds said:
Even the 3pt line was an arbitrary line when it was introduced. But it has revolutionized the game now.
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Indeed, PBA will be in the history books for being the first professional league to introduce the 4pt line.

But just because Filipinos are the first at it, doesn't mean we're gonna be the best at it.

Once NBA and other leagues follow suit our "equalizer" as long range shooters will be negated.

PBA still hasn't addressed the height limit issue and talent gap from other leagues.

IBL already accepted the fact that their Indonesian players just won't cut it so they allowed multiple imports to play.

PBA is just too insular and idiotic they think it's good for our local players to just play among themselves all year long while expecting international basketball success to validate their very existence.
 
ja.he said:
Well, Newsome, like Tatang Huertas, is good at mid-range. In terms of height, Newsome is not that far behind at 6'1. The similarities end there as Huertas is really a floor general while Newsome is more of a defensive point guard.
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Agree.
A player may possess "some" or a No. of similarities with another player but that doesn't mean the former is equal to or better than the latter. In the Marcelino Huertas-Chris Newsome comparison, I think the big difference is Huertas being a natural point guard while Newsome being a natural shooting guard/off-guard. Yes, Newsome can play some point guard role but I don't think he will ever match Huertas' efficiency playing the point guard role. Of course there is also an aspect where Newsome is better than Huertas & I believe it is on defense.
 
Zero Buckets made a video about his ideal U22 youth team. He said the SBP should try to emulate Japan's method since there are some players that are currently playing in their Olympic team that started out in Japan's U22 team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LqRHYA0IEw

His line up consists of:
GUARDS:
Andy Gemao (18 y/o - 6'0")
Kiefer Alas (17 y/o - 6'2")
Earl Abadam (20 y/o - 6'4")
Aleksander Pachuki (22 y/o - 6'4")

FORWARDS:
Jacob Bayla (18 y/o - 6'6")
Caelum Harris (19 y/o - 6'6")
LeBron Lopez (21 y/o - 6'5")
Alex Konov (18 y/o - 6'7")
Zain Mahmood (19 y/o - 6'6")
Mason Amos (19 y/o - 6'7")

CENTERS:
Seven Gagate (20 y/o - 6'8")
Kai Sotto (22 y/o - 7'3")
 
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Question is, who will sponsor the U-22 developmental team/pool? Will the MVP group do it? SMC?

The U-22 team is obviously a brilliant idea, the only problem is sponsorship.
 
JAMSKIE said:
Question is, who will sponsor the U-22 developmental team/pool? Will the MVP group do it? SMC?

The U-22 team is obviously a brilliant idea, the only problem is sponsorship.
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SGA might agree to bankroll that team, they are always active in putting together teams for international tournaments like the Jones Cup and tournaments in the Middle East anyway.
 
r1ck said:
SGA might agree to bankroll that team, they are always active in putting together teams for international tournaments like the Jones Cup and tournaments in the Middle East anyway.
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But Strong Group Athletics' goal is purely winning championships in international competitions like Jones Cup & Dubai Invitational Basketball Championships that is why they load up their team with a good number of good quality imports. I don't know if Strong Group would be willing to bankroll a team whose main goal is player development while winning a championship would just be a secondary goal.
 
Coach Tim Cone seems to have some high regards on Carl Tamayo describing Tamayo as a potential star of Gilas in 3 to 4 years time. I hope Tamayo will be like our version of 6-foot-7 power forward Oshin Sahakian of Iran's golden generation national team. Magkasing height kasi sila ni Sahakian & almost with the same skill set. They also both play physical basketball. One thing I like about Tamayo is that malakas talaga ang loob maglaro. He showed lots of promise being a member of Batang Gilas U-19 team together with Kai Sotto & AJ Edu (who suffered an ACL injury in 2019). Then way back in 2021, he again showed promise with Gilas cadet team composed of amateur players (back then) & coached by Tab Baldwin. Tamayo was 20 yrs old at that time & he already showed grit, guts & of course skills against teams like Korea (where Gilas beat twice that year) & Jordan (in an invitational tournament in Jordan in 2021).
 
The pinoy nt needs about 5 local and less expensive versions of brownlees in the 6'6 to 6'9 range. Tamayo sort of fits into this mold. Those are the core needed to be in the top 20 for decades. There are enough local and filfor bigs at 6'10 and taller. One may select any 3 of 5 for presence in year-long series of tournaments. The remaining 4 would be guards that are either like ramos or heading at their prime.

These nt "specs" are clearly realistic and available. You just need two coaches -- likely one local and one foreign --who have records proving that they know how to win the top class international battles.

Isipin niyo na lang kung pba coach at trainer lang pinanggalingan ni carlos yulo. Pinulot lang siya sa kangkungan ng maynila kung ganuon. It is factually impossible for an all-pba team to come anywhere near an olympic bronze. The quality gap in players and coaches against top world baller teams is that huge.

The present senior nt composition must actually be the LOWEST quality already for big battles. We still need 3 or 4 available plug-and-play upgrades, local and filfor, at any time per year.

Forget about cone's silly statements about a permanent 12-man pool for several years, which clearly are meant to please his pba bosses. He is getting old and needs security of tenure money savings for about 7 years more. Him sticking to a fixed 12 ballers for 4 years in ginebra will lead to seriously reduced chances for championship trophies for his team.:)
 
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