i mean it's been like that ever since. from Nokia to Energen to Smart. many players from the RP Youth team didn't make the transition to Men's NT.
Before Kai, AJ and Tamayo, who's the last one who transitioned to the Senior's Team? Kieffer? I know Tolentino was high profile during his time with the youth teams, right? There were reports Duke U scouts invited him to try out for the varsity team. But he's hardly ever mentioned to be considered in the Gilas Senior NT
I think Tolentino being recruited to tryout for Duke was just his agent or him stirring the pot. How could he be invited for a tryout if he was airballing shots in 2014 FIBA 3x3 World Tour and can't even dribble as a wing.
From RP Youth to the PBA there are many notable names: Caracut, Kiefer, Arvin, Prince Rivero, Alejandro, Kyles Lao, Von Pessumal, Jeron Teng, Isaac Go, Jordan Heading, Hubert Cani, Jerie Pingoy, Gab Banal, Ian Sangalang, Norbert Torres, RR Garcia, Tata Marata, Matthew Wright.
List does not include players from Batang Gilas but from that list only Kiefer, Arvin, Heading and Wright are worthy of Senior's Team consideration. Bad batting average.
the nagging question is why can't we identify as early as 14-15 years old if a player can transition to the seniors team?
why are the CJ Perezes and Robert Bolicks (both cut from Ateneo and La Salle respectively), not part of any youth team, while the Santi Romeros are?
the nagging question is why can't we identify as early as 14-15 years old if a player can transition to the seniors team?
why are the CJ Perezes and Robert Bolicks (both cut from Ateneo and La Salle respectively), not part of any youth team, while the Santi Romeros are?
same with US youth team, in the past 10 years the only notable players that became part of the senior team were Tatum, Brunson and Haliburton and maybe in the future Holmgren, Green, Barnes and Cunningham
Maybe the US is just the outlier, would love to see data on the youth teams of top euro and lat-am programs and how many are elevated to the seniors. (Will research in my free time)
I think they can,it's just the coaches,school thinks they own the kid or the kid owes them a token of gratitude so he should stay.This type of culture should stay out of a phenom's basketball development.
CJ Perez I think has long been in the radar of Tab. Unfortunately, he was a victim of Ateneo/Tab's recent academic prioritization. Perez was one of the few PBA players that were able to join Tab's Gilas practices. Unfortunately, it did not last because of you know PBA.
This is where I have an issue with the 3-conference format this season, before a FIBA tournament proper. It ends in July. That gives us a month, maybe even less, for Gilas to rest, train, and call up injury replacements. Plus, we risk our key PBA players (June Mar, JB, Newsome, Scottie, CJ) being exposed to injury, especially given that every PBA player in the pool except Oftana and Malonzo will be 31 or older.
I hope the season ends in mid-June or earlier for us to have time to rest and call injury replacements.
Not that hard to imagine. The PBA probably doesn't give a damn about those FIBA dates that Gilas isn't playing... but let's assume whatever team that makes it pushes a Gilas-filled Ginebra team to a Game 7 in the Governor's Cup Finals, both 21 and 24 are home games. Two days after, they start the Commissioner's Cup. They're not driving to NAIA , flying to a stopover in the Middle East/Turkey, and connecting twice to somewhere in Europe... they're driving to Ultra from Meralco Ave anak ng.
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They made it clear they're having a break on Feb for those last two away games against Taipei and NZ... Gilas doesn't have anything after Feb except the FIBA Asia Cup from August 5 to 15 when the PBA doesn't have any specific dates on the All-Filipino Cup other than March to July. So fine, assuming the worst case scenario All Filipino ends July 31 next year and they don't do an effing thing to adjust the PBA season for World Cup Qualifying (basically copy-paste the previous year's schedule). That's just 3 days after the end of the tournament assuming Gilas makes it all the way to the final of the FIBA Asia Cup.
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We don't have a Charles Barkley-like personality that calls out people for being stupid. All their games start late noon the earliest so there should not be an excuse for whatever you call this iteration of the SBP with San Miguel to bitch about the things Tab was complaining about and Chot had the misfortune of messing up. They badly wanted to have a National Team of players who know Triangle shit because that saves them time, they already have the support of those s̶t̶e̶a̶k̶ e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶s stakeholders whether they're UAAP padrinos or PBA Board members. It's going to be another layer of problems if they aim to make the World Cup again with a World Cup window in August, EASL in October, another World Cup window in November, the SEA Games in December, and a final push for the World Cup in Feb... before they run this shit again in August 2027 with the same problem of when to start the PBA.
And outside of the current 14, here are the guys that have trained and played under Cone for Gilas:
LA Tenorio (2019 SEA Games)
Matthew Wright (2019 SEA Games)
Greg Slaughter (2019 SEA Games)
Christian Standhardinger (2019 SEA Games)
Art dela Cruz (2019 SEA Games, training pool)
Vic Manuel (2019 SEA Games)
Stanley Pringle (2019 SEA Games)
Kiefer Ravena (2019 SEA Games)
Troy Rosario (2019 SEA Games)
RR Pogoy (2019 SEA Games, 2022 Asian Games; training pool in both)
Chris Ross (2019 SEA Games, 2022 Asian Games)
Marcio Lassiter (2019 SEA Games, 2022 Asian Games)
Arvin Tolentino (2022 Asian Games)
Kevin Alas (2022 Asian Games)
Jason Perkins (2022 Asian Games, training pool)
Calvin Abueva (2022 Asian Games, training pool)
Terrence Romeo (2022 Asian Games, training pool)
Mo Tautuaa (2022 Asian Games, training pool)
LA's currently 39. Marcio's 37. Abueva's a 6'2" forward, 36 years old, and can become a liability with his antics.
Vic Manuel is a 6'4" bigman who can't guard, even in the PBA. Pogoy and Troy don't exactly have good track records in FIBA. Kiefer and Wright also don't have the best track record in FIBA games. Ross, Perkins, Mo, CStand, and Pringle are ineligible. Arvin's a volume scorer who can't defend at the 3-spot. Terrence hasn't played a game for Gilas since the brawl, is injury-prone, and is a defensive liability. Greg is falling off. Alas is currently on his 3rd ACL injury.
This is why we absolutely need to expand the pool. If one of the key PBA guys goes down, another will step up. Integrating into the system is hard, but we have the Asia Cup windows to help with that. The effectiveness in FIBA of the eligible players who were previously called up under Cone aren't exactly the best, with the exception of Marcio and probably Terrence.
Don't worry, Cone will see the need once 5-6 of the players in the pool gets hurt during the course of the season. It's inevitable. JB is what? 36. Tasked to carry Ginebra for 2 consecutive import-laden conferences. Same with the other members who are main cogs in their respective ball clubs.
For Asia Cup Qualifiers and FIBA Asia Cup I think we can manage with the 14.
But come World Cup Qualifiers and World Cup itself, the pool MUST expand.
Don't worry, Cone will see the need once 5-6 of the players in the pool gets hurt during the course of the season. It's inevitable. JB is what? 36. Tasked to carry Ginebra for 2 consecutive import-laden conferences. Same with the other members who are main cogs in their respective ball clubs.
For Asia Cup Qualifiers and FIBA Asia Cup I think we can manage with the 14.
But come World Cup Qualifiers and World Cup itself, the pool MUST expand.
It has to expand to 16 by the Asia Cup.
That is like a 7-8 match tournament. We need depth if we want a shot at a podium finish.
I get that CTC plays with a short rotation pero that’s not gonna work with a longer tournament.
It has to expand to 16 by the Asia Cup.
That is like a 7-8 match tournament. We need depth if we want a shot at a podium finish.
I get that CTC plays with a short rotation pero that’s not gonna work with a longer tournament.
I couldn't agree with U more bro. Remember, this is a 4-year cycle where "some" players won't be available for various reasons in some games, windows, tournaments.
For me, a 16-man pool is ideal in a 4-year program. Hindi masyadong malaki yung 16-man pool, hindi rin maliit.
As we saw in the 1st window of the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers & the recent OQT, Gilas had a No. of players being unavailable becoz of injuries- AJ Edu, Iskati, Malonzo. So coach Tim had to replace them with the likes of Japeth Aguilar (being reactivated from retirement from the national team), Mason Amos & RR Pogoy(though did not make it to the OQT becoz of Visa problem). But these players, except for Japeth being coach Tim's player at Ginebra, had to integrate themselves with coach Tim's system since they are not part of the original Gilas 12-man pool. This would be the lingering problem of coach Tim everytime certain Gilas players are unavailable in that 4-year cycle. Coach Tim has to integrate the players (to his system) that will serve as replacements for the players that are unavailable. The "replacements" have to assimilate themselves with coach Tim's triangle offense & his defensive schemes. And it's not that easy.
On the other hand if for instance coach Tim will have a 16-man Gilas pool, he has 4 extra players that serve as replacements in instances where any member of his 12-man team gets injured or is unavailable. And since those 4 extra or reserved players are already integrated into coach Tim's system right from start, there's no need for them to assimilate or to adjust to the system the moment they are called to replace injured or unavailable player/s.
In the 1st window of the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers we missed AJ Edu becoz of injury so coach Tim had to reactivate a Japeth Aguilar who had already retired from the national team. In the recent Olympic Qualifying Tournament, we missed 3 players becoz of injuries - Edu, Malonzo & Iskati. Only 6 months into our 4-year program/cycle & we already have missed a good No. of players because injuries. What does this suggest?