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zairex2
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The fact also he have good assistant coaches to help him.
I do wish we have a more creative coach but why do we discredit people just because we hate them. We say we hate politics but we love to do it to other.
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deku_midoriya2
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The fact also he have good assistant coaches to help him.
Lets be fair. We don't credit assistant coaches to achievements of Tab and Tim, right? Let's give credit where credit is due. Josh being there at start may be nepotism but he does have a good resume in the Asian level. We admire Japanese and Korean programs but his unheralded roster beat these teams in the last fiba asia and brought us to the WC.
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IPC2
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More of a barangay-level coach. Seriously, what are his credentials that made him suitable to be our youth coach?
I was talking about his mindset, not his level. Not really for development of players to play their FIBA positions. We saw how he used guys like Daja and Morales when they play 4 and 5.he is neither. maybe Pasarelle or Juniors level basketball but not National team or professional level coaching
I did see him play 6'5" Wilhalm Cabonilas at 3, but otherwise, guys like Charles Esteban and Marc Burgos just played bigman roles when they have the tools to play wing (I think, I dunno about the other guys here). Just need lateral movement.
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IPC2
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We like to bash our PHL team yet we haven't loss to world level competition by more than 20 pts since 2014 except 2019.
2019 was really an aberration. 2014, 2015, 2016, 2023, 2024, Philippines has not lost to world level teams by more than 15 points
That 2019 team was just bad. One of the worst teams we ever sent in recent memory, I feel. Only guys who belonged there were CJ, Bolick, Japeth, June Mar, Gabe, and maybe out of shape Blatche. The rest were filler.
Didn't help that a useful player like Marcio was injured, and Castro wasn't there. We didn't really consider young guys like Dwight, Kai and Carl then. At the time, who would consider them, to be fair, Kai and Carl were a bit too young. Dwight wasn't really in our consciousness yet.
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Rds2
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I was talking about his mindset, not his level. Not really for development of players to play their FIBA positions. We saw how he used guys like Daja and Morales when they play 4 and 5.
I did see him play 6'5" Wilhalm Cabonilas at 3, but otherwise, guys like Charles Esteban and Marc Burgos just played bigman roles when they have the tools to play wing (I think, I dunno about the other guys here). Just need lateral movement.
This is the attractiveness of Tabs system. Everyone can initiate. Offense can be broken down to two man actions. In a way I think it’s more doable than Cone’s triangle. In the OQT the offense suffered when we couldnt pass the ball to the post. Kai’s passes in the high post also work. But it seems the offense works better when the pass comes from the deep post. The problem is that seems to be the hardest pass to make in modern basketball. Also you can only do it if you have a big body who can seal his man in the paint. We wont even have that when JF retires as Kai’s Porzingis like physique will never be strong enough to seal Fiba bigs in the paint.
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ja.he2
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I do wish we have a more creative coach but why do we discredit people just because we hate them. We say we hate politics but we love to do it to other.
I don't hate Josh as a person but I disagree with the fact that he is our youth coach when there are other coaches that are more qualified to handle the team. He is there because he is the son of Chot.
Lets be fair. We don't credit assistant coaches to achievements of Tab and Tim, right? Let's give credit where credit is due. Josh being there at start may be nepotism but he does have a good resume in the Asian level. We admire Japanese and Korean programs but his unheralded roster beat these teams in the last fiba asia and brought us to the WC.
But are we going to ignore the dismal performance that the u-17 had under his watch?
If you want to bring up the 2018 and 2019 teams, again, those were the teams which include Kai, Carl, AJ, and Dave. Any better coach can make that team even better.
I was talking about his mindset, not his level. Not really for development of players to play their FIBA positions. We saw how he used guys like Daja and Morales when they play 4 and 5.
I did see him play 6'5" Wilhalm Cabonilas at 3, but otherwise, guys like Charles Esteban and Marc Burgos just played bigman roles when they have the tools to play wing (I think, I dunno about the other guys here). Just need lateral movement.
I was talking about both his mindset and and his level. His mindset and philosophy in basketball is just a copy-paste from his father, it's just that his level is lower. My point here is there are more qualified coaches to handle the team but we are settling to a person that the only thing he has is that he is the son of Chot. He definitely lacks the creativity of a more experienced coach.
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IPC2
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This is the attractiveness of Tabs system. Everyone can initiate. Offense can be broken down to two man actions. In a way I think it’s more doable than Cone’s triangle. In the OQT the offense suffered when we couldnt pass the ball to the post. Kai’s passes in the high post also work. But it seems the offense works better when the pass comes from the deep post. The problem is that seems to be the hardest pass to make in modern basketball. Also you can only do it if you have a big body who can seal his man in the paint. We wont even have that when JF retires as Kai’s Porzingis like physique will never be strong enough to seal Fiba bigs in the paint.
In the triangle, anyone can initiate in theory. The thing is, I've only seen initiators from 1 to 4, from the Bulls to the Lakers to San Mig to Ginebra. I haven't watched much Alaska. In our context, even the 5-man should be able to initiate if 6'6" or under (make him a wing).
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sajubeads2
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That's the key words right there bro. Gilas 2 had around 4 & 1/2 months of preparation/training bridging from 2012 & 2013. While Gilas-1 had the better & longer preparation (say around 2 & 1/2 years from 2009 to 2011), in terms of composition, Gilas-2 is better as it was composed of the best & the more matured players of the country.
I want to put it this way, this current cadet team (even with Kai Sotto & AJ Edu in tow) is inferior compared to a PBA-select RP team simply becoz kulang pa yung mga cadets sa experience & maturity. But in 2 or 3 years time, the table would be reversed.
That was always the belief that PBA players are better and more experienced.. More experienced , and older as a basketball player and better in PBA scheme of things , but not necessarily better in FIBA. The younger guys even overall has more experienced in Fiba games than PBA players. I think our best players at Center , PF and SG are not in the PBA(Kai, Edu and Ramos).Lack of maturity of the non PBA Players can be augmented by having a veteran NP.While Pba has more better players but most are ineligible anayways.
umeepal lang kasi PBA, WC team without PBA players would have been okay ( under Tab or Tim) plus Clarskon as NP. From the PBA its only Junmar lang naman ang kailagan. okay lets compare
Fajardo. Sotto
Aguilar. Edu
Brownlee Brownlee
Perez. Ramos
Thompson. Abarrientos
Almazan. Chui
Baltazar . Tamayo
Oftana. Quiambao
Pogoy. Heading
Newsome. Belangel
Tolentino Abando
Rosario. Lopez
I think man for man for Fiba , and same coach and system, the Non PBA players will beat the PBA group...Gilas can be sustainabke with or without PBA.. PBa needs Gilas for relevance
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IPC2
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That was always the belief that PBA players are better and more experienced.. More experienced , and older as a basketball player and better in PBA scheme of things , but not necessarily better in FIBA. The younger guys even overall has more experienced in Fiba games than PBA players. I think our best players at Center , PF and SG are not in the PBA(Kai, Edu and Ramos).Lack of maturity of the non PBA Players can be augmented by having a veteran NP.While Pba has more better players but most are ineligible anayways.
umeepal lang kasi PBA, WC team without PBA players would have been okay ( under Tab or Tim) plus Clarskon as NP. From the PBA its only Junmar lang naman ang kailagan. okay lets compare
Fajardo. Sotto
Aguilar. Edu
Brownlee Brownlee
Perez. Ramos
Thompson. Abarrientos
Almazan. Chui
Baltazar . Tamayo
Oftana. Quiambao
Pogoy. Heading
Newsome. Belangel
Tolentino Abando
Rosario. Lopez
I think man for man for Fiba , and same coach and system, the Non PBA players will beat the PBA group...Gilas can be sustainabke with or without PBA.. PBa needs Gilas for relevance
The only useful eligible PBA players as of the moment are June Mar, Japeth, Newsome, Navarro, CJ, JB, Scottie, Bolick, and RJ. Maybe Oftana, Malonzo, and Marcio.
Oftana needs to get better at defense and/or shooting. Malonzo needs to play for the NT, stay healthy, improve his defense and get his shooting back. Marcio's 37. Abueva's a 6'2" SF/PF and is 36.
I think a guy like Mamuyac can make the team as a combo guard due to his defense, but his 3-point shooting and playmaking need work.
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sajubeads2
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Lets be fair. We don't credit assistant coaches to achievements of Tab and Tim, right? Let's give credit where credit is due. Josh being there at start may be nepotism but he does have a good resume in the Asian level. We admire Japanese and Korean programs but his unheralded roster beat these teams in the last fiba asia and brought us to the WC.
t was chamba win, if we play Japan in a series we wont beat them. Its just that Kiefer Alas happened in that game.. As for the batch of kai, we should have won the Gold in that fFba asia competititon if we have better coach. Question , would Josh would have been our Youth coach if he is not a REYES?
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IPC2
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I don't hate Josh as a person but I disagree with the fact that he is our youth coach when there are other coaches that are more qualified to handle the team. He is there because he is the son of Chot.
But are we going to ignore the dismal performance that the u-17 had under his watch?
If you want to bring up the 2018 and 2019 teams, again, those were the teams which include Kai, Carl, AJ, and Dave. Any better coach can make that team even better.
I was talking about both his mindset and and his level. His mindset and philosophy in basketball is just a copy-paste from his father, it's just that his level is lower. My point here is there are more qualified coaches to handle the team but we are settling to a person that the only thing he has is that he is the son of Chot. He definitely lacks the creativity of a more experienced coach.
Noted. I do agree on the mindset and philosophy being copied from Chot.
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sajubeads2
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The only useful eligible PBA players as of the moment are June Mar, Japeth, Newsome, Navarro, CJ, JB, Scottie, Bolick, and RJ. Maybe Oftana, Malonzo, and Marcio.
Oftana needs to get better at defense and/or shooting. Malonzo needs to play for the NT, stay healthy, improve his defense and get his shooting back. Marcio's 37. Abueva's a 6'2" SF/PF and is 36.
I think a guy like Mamuyac can make the team as a combo guard due to his defense, but his 3-point shooting and playmaking need work.
Japhet should retire and should be replace by Baltazar. Lot of guys forget Tuffin who is Fiba eligible. Tall good shooter and physical defender. And upgrade over Oftana and tonetino and even Malonzo are SF, but then he is not from MVP/SMC group
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sroth38392
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The only useful eligible PBA players as of the moment are June Mar, Japeth, Newsome, Navarro, CJ, JB, Scottie, Bolick, and RJ. Maybe Oftana, Malonzo, and Marcio.
Oftana needs to get better at defense and/or shooting. Malonzo needs to play for the NT, stay healthy, improve his defense and get his shooting back. Marcio's 37. Abueva's a 6'2" SF/PF and is 36.
I think a guy like Mamuyac can make the team as a combo guard due to his defense, but his 3-point shooting and playmaking need work.
I’d include Tuffin in that list.
Might be a better option as a Dwight sub than Oftana.
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ARMIR2
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Lets be fair. We don't credit assistant coaches to achievements of Tab and Tim, right? Let's give credit where credit is due. Josh being there at start may be nepotism but he does have a good resume in the Asian level. We admire Japanese and Korean programs but his unheralded roster beat these teams in the last fiba asia and brought us to the WC.
On JR's first coaching as HC,wasn't Oliver was credited more on his win and the one after that?What I'm trying to say is part of his success is having this really good assistant coaches,he might be calling the shots now but in the early days,it was Oliver who called the shots behind the scenes.What I can't get my mind around is why he never pursued a full time coaching job,in any college team in either UAAP or NCAA.He took the helm in TNT when his father went down due to Covid,so we know he can coach in a higher level.
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IPC2
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Japhet should retire and should be replace by Baltazar. Lot of guys forget Tuffin who is Fiba eligible. Tall good shooter and physical defender. And upgrade over Oftana and tonetino and even Malonzo are SF, but then he is not from MVP/SMC group
I’d include Tuffin in that list.
Might be a better option as a Dwight sub than Oftana.
I had a feeling I forgot someone. Yeah, Tuffin. Thanks!
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Rds2
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In the triangle, anyone can initiate in theory. The thing is, I've only seen initiators from 1 to 4, from the Bulls to the Lakers to San Mig to Ginebra. I haven't watched much Alaska. In our context, even the 5-man should be able to initiate if 6'6" or under (make him a wing).
Im talking about effectiveness. The teams offense flowed the best when the ball passes through JF in the post. Even with Kai passing from the high post the offense looked best with JF passing from the post. We won with Kouame and with JF on the bench. But to me it looked more like Kouame doing things on D and O rather actions from the triangle. Even in GSM it was only effective when CS was attracting attention from the post.
I would like to see how Cone adjusts without JF or Kouame. Edu even when healthy is not a reliable scorer in the paint. They wont have that paint presence. I havent seen the triangle succeed without one or two sublime scorers who can score in the paint. From MJ with his fadeaways to Shaq and Kobe. Even GSM bogs down IMO without its advantage in talent even with CS there.
Lets see how Cone adjusts without a sublime scorer or post presence.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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I have the feeling that Josh is more of a professional coach than a development one.
Sir IPC,
diba Dayun ur are currently one of the AC of the Senior at TnT..
man oh man..
that is why.
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live_evil2
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No serious team would get that imbecile Joke Reyes. Yes, I do hate the guy because he doesn't have delicadeza. Any guy with honor would have relinquished the post with the recent WC results.
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reamily2
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In other countries like serbia junior tournaments is a springboard not only for players but young coaches as well josh got his turn its the turn for young aspiring international ready pinoy coaches to turn over