Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

I think PBA would be willing to take a 2-week break to give way to the National team's stint in the 2023 World Cup qualifying windows just like what leagues like the B-league, KBL, CBA & others would be doing as well. Yung malaking problema would be the FIBA tournament proper - 2022 FIBA Asia Cup & 2023 FIBA World Cup & other international tournaments, as these tournaments are held during the July to September period, a period when PBA season is in full swing. On the other hand, other pro leagues like the B-league, KBL, CBA, etc., are in the off-season which would enable them to give their respective National teams enough time of training & preparation.

So its really during the July to September period, which is considered as FIBA season, that our National team will have a huge problem if the composition of our NT is mostly PBA players.

Yeah, agreed. The PBA stepped aside for the national team during the FIBA windows. Sa World Cup mismo nagkaproblema. We got little time to prepare.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Yeah, agreed. The PBA stepped aside for the national team during the FIBA windows. Sa World Cup mismo nagkaproblema. We got little time to prepare.

Our PBA-select Gilas team mentored by Yeng Guiao prepared for the 2019 FIBA World Cup tournament proper like it prepared during each windows of that tournament's qualifiers - 2 weeks of training.

And why is that? Simply becoz PBA season is in full swing during the July to September period at yan ang period where our National team should be in its height of preparation for the World Cup. On the other hand, yung ibang mga national teams had the luxury of getting a good 2 months of full time training & preparation becoz yung mga liga nila eh in the off-season noong mga panahon na yun. Simple as that.

My take is this: Subrang malaking bagay that our current Gilas prospects would be available for National team training & stints in international competitions during the months of July, August & early September, but this would only be possible if these players are not playing in the PBA. That is why it would still be better, in so far as the interest of Gilas is concerned, that our Gilas prospects are playing abroad - B-league, KBL, CBA or Taiwan's pro league, than for them to play in the PBA. Its becoz during the July to September period, off-season na ng B-league, KBL, CBA & others, while yung PBA sa kasagsagan pa ng season nila.

In a 4-year cycle, which the FIBA World Cup is held, if Gilas can train & play international basketball for 2 solid months per year (July to early September period each year), then after four years, Gilas will have a total of at least 8 months of full time training/preparation. That's what I accumulated preparation.

 

[Rodbi2]

Yeah, agreed. The PBA stepped aside for the national team during the FIBA windows. Sa World Cup mismo nagkaproblema. We got little time to prepare.

If PBA decides to get involved again in 2022 or 2023 main tournaments, I hope that they'll consider increasing the frequency of games (12-15 PBA matches in a 7-day period) 10 days before and after the international break as a solution for the lost air time. Even for the qualifying window games, same format should be observed. I believe it should become the norm post-COVID-19 era.

 

[deviant2]

Yeah, Parks did say that he'll be available for the national team as long as Tab is the coach.

When will the Bleague ends it season?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Around May next year

 

[NOiNU2]

Which PBA players merit consideration for a Gilas call up? Lots of uncertainties, of which includes the availability of players for the coming windows. We might end up forming hybrid teams, or at the very least get about 3 or 4 reinforcements. For me, Pogoy, Erram, Bolick, Oftana, and Perez deserve to be named for the pool. Maybe at least one of the 3 veteran bigs Junmar, Greg and Japeth to shore up the frontline. The number of players to be invited would largely depend on the number of our younger players available to play.

Ideally, I’d say 3-5 players for the pool and a maximum of 3 players to reinforce the most recent squads. I rather we prioritize development than winning, but it is essential that we also build a winning culture and learn some things playing ALONGSIDE the best, experienced talents. I hope Kouame, Baltazar, Tamayo, Paras, Ramos, Parks and the Ravena bros would be available—basically the UAAP and Japan guys. I think this would be a good team already.

 

[IPC2]

Sometimes, I can't help but think that maybe the opening of Japan's B-league teams to Filipino cagers is fate's way of balancing the ridiculously imbalance competition in the PBA. I just hope that PBA players like CJ Perez, Bolick (this guy is SMC-bound anyway if he stays in the PBA so its better if he goes to Japan), Japeth Aguilar, Standhardinger, RR Pogoy, will play in Japan or elsewhere abroad. This will definitely even the playing field in the PBA.

And quite frankly, this will open up opportunities for our players. They'll go up against tall imports at least almost every game, something that cannot be said about the PBA. That will force our players to adapt to the taller competition. Plus, there's a chance that some of them will be developed to the position they're best fit to play in the international level.

Brad, do you think B-league's style of play better simulates the FIBA game than PBA brand of play does?

Feeling ko kasi while I think that in terms of level of competition, hindi naman nagkakalayo ang B-league sa PBA, I believe sa style of game nagkakatalo. Japanese basketball is known to put more emphasis on teamwork & discipline.

I think Japanese emphasis ball movement, screens and 3pts like Korea because.thats the only way the can score especially most of them are not tough enough to play inside. While we Pinoy based on NBA and our nature to be rough, we favor creativity, penetration, and inside point. Thankfully, start of the 2000s emphasis of good shooting lead as to now have 4 players on court,who can shoot from perimeter.As you can see in the finals both teams in PBA were discipline and had alit of teamwork.

Agree bro.

But among the Pinoys in the B-league, it seems Kobe is the one being given by his coach the most latitude to go more 1 on 1 plays or to create his shots off the dribble. And honestly, that is something I don't like to see. Mas gusto ko si Kobe being set-up by his teammates for those catch-and-shoots becoz I believe his shooting would be more accurate if he's properly set up.

Should be both ways.

I can say the vice versa.

No matter how good the defense is, if our players can't score too, we will be in trouble.

Our offense was good too in 2013-2016

Good point naman. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. And to win championships, we need to win games first. Yeah, our offense was good too. However, what made us be able to compete against the likes of SoKor, Lebanon, China, and Iran was defense. When we couldn't defend, we lost, and badly.

This is why I'm advocating for a consistent defensive identity for the senior team.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Good point naman. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. And to win championships, we need to win games first. Yeah, our offense was good too. However, what made us be able to compete against the likes of SoKor, Lebanon, China, and Iran was defense. When we couldn't defend, we lost, and badly.

This is why I'm advocating for a consistent defensive identity for the senior team.

I love how you compile and quote multiple posts from diff threads before u reply. Haha

 

[IPC2]

I love how you compile and quote multiple posts from diff threads before u reply. Haha

Some quotes need context, that's why I compile from the other threads when moving a conversation to a different thread.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Good point naman. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. And to win championships, we need to win games first. Yeah, our offense was good too. However, what made us be able to compete against the likes of SoKor, Lebanon, China, and Iran was defense. When we couldn't defend, we lost, and badly.

This is why I'm advocating for a consistent defensive identity for the senior team.

And that defensive identity is?

Fast in Rotating?

Limiting 3?

Limiting drives?

 

[IPC2]

And that defensive identity is?

Fast in Rotating?

Limiting 3?

Limiting drives?

All of the above. Good rotations by a team which knows what shots to contest, and reacts accordingly. That involves studying the opponent a lot.

 

[IPC2]

Baba, Yuta and Rui looked comfortable playing physical in foreign leagues. As for the other locals playing in the Bleague yeah even college basketball is way more physical in the Philippines. I doubt they've experienced getting spat at in a game lol

Yeah, big reason why our young players weren't that rattled by SoKor's attempt to go physical on us when we faced them last June. Even the college leagues prepared us for that. Helps too that the kids are physically tough.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Yeah, big reason why our young players weren't that rattled by SoKor's attempt to go physical on us when we faced them last June. Even the college leagues prepared us for that. Helps too that the kids are physically tough.

Lol. Philippines is really known as physical players.

Though, I hope they do not forget to improve their skillls and shooting to complement their physicality.

 

[IPC2]

Lol. Philippines is really known as physical players.

Though, I hope they do not forget to improve their skillls and shooting to complement their physicality.

And surprisingly, we lacked shot creation. This was particularly apparent during the King's Cup last August. We struggled against most of the MENA teams there because of that. Kouame is still raw and developing in that regard, Dwight's not used to it yet. Tamayo showed promise in that regard, though. Just needs a little more strength, he's already tough to begin with.

For a nation known for producing a lot of shot creators, we lacked it in that tournament.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

And surprisingly, we lacked shot creation. This was particularly apparent during the King's Cup last August. We struggled against most of the MENA teams there because of that. Kouame is still raw and developing in that regard, Dwight's not used to it yet. Tamayo showed promise in that regard, though. Just needs a little more strength, he's already tough to begin with.

For a nation known for producing a lot of shot creators, we lacked it in that tournament.

Hmmm. I will argue our best creators was just not available that time.

 

[Stevy2]

We won't be seeing any Gilas action until February. Here are some good videos to watch.

Coach Tab gives his assessment on performance of Gilas Pilipinas in Jordan | Ep 37 | The DVD Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W1KFZaOXOI

Dave Ildefonso on missing Gilas Pilipinas games, adjusting to coach Tab | Ep 45 | The DVD Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eb1t8tuByo

Dave Ildefonso on recovering from injury, structure of Gilas Pilipinas roster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfa2SIndlcE

SJ Belangel on being ready for starting PG at Gilas, training with Ravena's | Ep 46 | The DVD Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0ncJ_xtrY

SJ Belangel talks about Gilas vs Korea game, legendary game winning shot | Ep 46 | The DVD Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqJ-AiHXPvw

Notes: In the King's cup, there was a change in the system. Per Tab, the team was not playing to win and was experimenting. SJ Belangel is supposedly working on his body. We should see a more muscular SJ. Dave talks about how hard it was for him to play more off-ball and what it was like to play for Gilas.

 

[IPC2]

Hmmm. I will argue our best creators was just not available that time.

Forgot, Juan wasn't also invited to the pool. Damn.

Well, at least he performed well today. 15 points (6-11 FG, 3-7 3PT), 5 rebounds, 9 assists.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

This kid Dave Ildefonso, if he would be able to assimilate himself well with coach Tab's system & depart from the go-to-guy mentality that he is used to playing collge & high school basketball, I think he will be a very good prospect for Gilas for the 2-guard spot. At 6-foot-4, Dave is a good size shooting guard, whose offensive skills, in my opinion, is better than Thirdy. Mas athletic lang talaga is Thirdy kay Dave, but in terms of shooting, & other offensive skills, I think a current Dave Ildefonso is better than when Thirdy was on around 21 yrs of age (current age of Dave).

 

[IPC2]

What Gilas cadet members are doing? If they will not training outside the country then they should play as guest team in the PBA this coming conference.. They are doing nothing in past several months.. They were wasting time especially Gilas PBA pool members likes of Heading, Navarro, Suerte, etc... playing against Brownlee, Shabazz Muhammad, Moore, McDaniels, Harris, etc.. will be a good training ground for our pool members.. I don't care if PBA will still using their rules, but that opportunity to play against top notch talents will be hard to pass up..

The import height limit just killed the chance of Gilas playing in the PBA, unless an exception is allowed for Kouame as our naturalized player. That said, better if they train abroad.

Pero oo nga, not much news on Gilas since the King's Cup. I hope they're training on their own right now, and hopefully they'll train for the Feb window. I think Tab should look to invite promising players too. Anonuevo, Demisana, Basti Reyes, Cansino, Lazaro, Policarpio, Quiambao, Cortez, Salvoro, Gagate, probably Justine Sanchez.

I hope the coaches are telling him about these players. Opportunity 'to to make them better for Gilas, and also their respective schools. It will improve Philippine basketball.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

The import height limit just killed the chance of Gilas playing in the PBA, unless an exception is allowed for Kouame as our naturalized player. That said, better if they train abroad.

Pero oo nga, not much news on Gilas since the King's Cup. I hope they're training on their own right now, and hopefully they'll train for the Feb window. I think Tab should look to invite promising players too. Anonuevo, Demisana, Basti Reyes, Cansino, Lazaro, Policarpio, Quiambao, Cortez, Salvoro, Gagate, probably Justine Sanchez.

I hope the coaches are telling him about these players. Opportunity 'to to make them better for Gilas, and also their respective schools. It will improve Philippine basketball.

If only we're living in a perfect world. Philippine basketball doesn't even come close to a perfect world, in fact its too very very far from a perfect world.

I would love to see Quiambao, Lantaya, Lepalam, Abando, Ambohot, Evan Nelle, Raven Cortez, in the Gilas training pool. We know this won't happen any time soon. Maybe we'll wait 2 to 3 more yrs.

There are really a lot of evils/devils in Phi basketball. Yung pinaka demonyo dyan eh yung long hair who is very much involved both in pro & college basketball.