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reamily2
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u23 gilas is good as an expansion nbl team
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carmelo72
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And we're not exactly wanting in prospects and players in David's position. We have Navarro, Arvin, Lopez, Harris, Konov, and Bayla waiting in the wings (pun intended). Hopefully, the guys in the U17 and U18 this year have prospects too.
If I need a 12th man now for Gilas id go with Konov. 6'7 shooter good form with good motor
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Metta2
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Pinoy FIBA eligible players falling in the 17-year old to 23-year old category includes Kiefer Alas, Caelum Harris, Alex Konov, Jacob Bayla, Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo, Andy Gemao, Femi Edu, Tamayo, Kai Sotto, Quiambao, Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Lopez, Escamis & other young Fil-foreign players out there waiting to be discovered.
Personally, I would not consider any poor shooter (Edu and anyone as good as him defensively will be the exception). We have the ability to play 5-out with those pieces.
I would still include Dwight (as the elder veteran, mid-30s in 10 years). Then give a shot to Panopio. Wishlist would be Mandaquit.
That batch has length, athleticism, shooting, big guards and versatile wings (interchangeable 2-4s). If that team is long-term developed together, I would say top 20 or higher ranking is not impossible.
Also, really hoping that Gemao, Alas, Bayla, Femi and Konov plays in D1 and that Harris becomes successful in D1. That's a step (having good D1 players) we have to achieve asap. Mandaquit is on path for that.
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IPC2
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Pinoy FIBA eligible players falling in the 17-year old to 23-year old category includes Kiefer Alas, Caelum Harris, Alex Konov, Jacob Bayla, Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo, Andy Gemao, Femi Edu, Tamayo, Kai Sotto, Quiambao, Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Lopez, Escamis & other young Fil-foreign players out there waiting to be discovered.
Personally, I would not consider any poor shooter (Edu and anyone as good as him defensively will be the exception). We have the ability to play 5-out with those pieces.
I would still include Dwight (as the elder veteran, mid-30s in 10 years). Then give a shot to Panopio. Wishlist would be Mandaquit.
That batch has length, athleticism, shooting, big guards and versatile wings (interchangeable 2-4s). If that team is long-term developed together, I would say top 20 or higher ranking is not impossible.
Also, really hoping that Gemao, Alas, Bayla, Femi and Konov plays in D1 and that Harris becomes successful in D1. That's a step (having good D1 players) we have to achieve asap. Mandaquit is on path for that.
With those players, they'll have to play with two power forwards unless if Kai is the center. Otherwise, we will need an older player like Ange to play center for them.
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JAMSKIE2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go_gA3a6C08&pp=ygUVTWFsb256byBKb3JkYW4gYmFraXRz
That is why I'm still convinced Malonzo is serviceable for Gilas at least in the Asia-Oceania level. Malonzo has the athleticism & some shooting, his handles seems suspect though that is why I see him as a combo forward & not really a legit small forward.
That is why I'm still convinced Malonzo is serviceable for Gilas at least in the Asia-Oceania level. Malonzo has the athleticism & some shooting, his handles seems suspect though that is why I see him as a combo forward & not really a legit small forward.
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Rds2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go_gA3a6C08&pp=ygUVTWFsb256byBKb3JkYW4gYmFraXRz
That is why I'm still convinced Malonzo is serviceable for Gilas at least in the Asia-Oceania level. Malonzo has the athleticism & some shooting, his handles seems suspect though that is why I see him as a combo forward & not really a legit small forward.
Despite what happened Ive never doubted Jamie. He is athletic and skilled. Let’s face it he is a better athlete and might have even better laterals than Oftana. At 6’6 he is taller too and stronger. I think he has the highest ceiling of the potential PBA SFs.
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hmbopbaduwap2
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...-quiambao-a795-20240309?ref=home_featured_big
“He’s got to be able to create on his own and he needs to get better defensively. But it’s all part of growth and development. He is 22 and he is in college. But his future is endless. He can be anything,” said Goorjian.
Goorjian added it was also beneficial that Quiambao was exposed to the likes of Howard and his fellow former NBA players and their desire to be the best player that they can be.
The former Bay Area Dragons coach recalled one conversation where Howard challenged Quiambao to become the best basketball player the Philippines has produced.
“You know how Dwight Howard was, pulling him to the side and saying, ‘You want to be the best Filipino player ever.’ I know that’s a big call and a big statement but we tried to set goals for him and get his mind around, come out of this, you can be great, you want to be a star.
“I thought Dwight Howard, Andrey Blatche, Andre Roberson, all of those guys were great with him and talking to him. And Strong Group did a great job with those kids, not only in the practice sessions and the game, but those NBA guys did a really good job of influencing them on how to get better. I thought it was a tremendous environment,” said Goorjian.
Goorjian said Quiambao’s exposure to the Gilas Pilipinas environment where he has been a part of the team for four years would only make him improve.
“That’s what it is all about. We are doing the same thing with our team. We are constantly, with the Boomers, it works in four-year cycles. So you’ve got to keep turning over in producing players, and the college system and the PBA. It’s phenomenal,” said Goorjian.
“He’s got to be able to create on his own and he needs to get better defensively. But it’s all part of growth and development. He is 22 and he is in college. But his future is endless. He can be anything,” said Goorjian.
Goorjian added it was also beneficial that Quiambao was exposed to the likes of Howard and his fellow former NBA players and their desire to be the best player that they can be.
The former Bay Area Dragons coach recalled one conversation where Howard challenged Quiambao to become the best basketball player the Philippines has produced.
“You know how Dwight Howard was, pulling him to the side and saying, ‘You want to be the best Filipino player ever.’ I know that’s a big call and a big statement but we tried to set goals for him and get his mind around, come out of this, you can be great, you want to be a star.
“I thought Dwight Howard, Andrey Blatche, Andre Roberson, all of those guys were great with him and talking to him. And Strong Group did a great job with those kids, not only in the practice sessions and the game, but those NBA guys did a really good job of influencing them on how to get better. I thought it was a tremendous environment,” said Goorjian.
Goorjian said Quiambao’s exposure to the Gilas Pilipinas environment where he has been a part of the team for four years would only make him improve.
“That’s what it is all about. We are doing the same thing with our team. We are constantly, with the Boomers, it works in four-year cycles. So you’ve got to keep turning over in producing players, and the college system and the PBA. It’s phenomenal,” said Goorjian.
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IPC2
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^ ^ ^ ^
So it seems Ericka Dy is doing a good job so far since her appointment as Project Director. Her predecessor Sonny Barrios on the other hand seem to have done nothing to help improve Philippine basketball.
Dy's SBP Executive Director, not really project director. We don't exactly have a project director since Chot resigned.
I wouldn't exactly judge her yet, but she has made good moves so far, like advocating for a lineup with continuity, and wanting to establish a true grassroots program. Hope she doesn't end up like how Panlilio has ended up (although to be fair to Panlilio, he tapped Dy as the executive director).
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ARMIR2
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Dy's SBP Executive Director, not really project director. We don't exactly have a project director since Chot resigned.
I wouldn't exactly judge her yet, but she has made good moves so far, like advocating for a lineup with continuity, and wanting to establish a true grassroots program. Hope she doesn't end up like how Panlilio has ended up (although to be fair to Panlilio, he tapped Dy as the executive director).
She hasn't gotten any pushback yet from the PBA oldbags and UAAP,NCAA political movements,so far so good,let's see how she performed under pressure.
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IPC2
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Statement game for Berto Bolick: "I should be in the Gilas line up."
Actually Bolick has been playing excellently as of late.
Too bad I don't think they'll ever give him an invite. To be fair we didn't need him against the patsies but it's against quality teams where we'll miss his shot making and play making skills.
Yeah, he's been scoring and assisting well so far. He's our best bet as a backup option, then SJ and RJ.
His defense is suspect, but we can hide him, especially when we have good defenders like Newsome, Dwight, and Oftana beside him.
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thatweirdguy2
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Yeah, he's been scoring and assisting well so far. He's our best bet as a backup option, then SJ and RJ.
His defense is suspect, but we can hide him, especially when we have good defenders like Newsome, Dwight, and Oftana beside him.
IMO he can take Perez's spot. They're the same height and supposedly brings the same skillset though he's more of a natural lead guard material as opposed to CJ who's a converted wing.
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IPC2
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IMO he can take Perez's spot. They're the same height and supposedly brings the same skillset though he's more of a natural lead guard material as opposed to CJ who's a converted wing.
And Perez is not exactly a stellar man-to-man defender either, as he gets blown by. His contribution on defense is more of breaking up plays by playing the passing lanes.
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JAMSKIE2
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Guys, is Bolick really a good playmaker or he is just a point guard with such a lethal offensive game? Becoz if Bolick isn't really a good playmaker then I think he's not the point guard we are looking for for Gilas.
There are point guards kasi who are/were excellent playmakers but isn't/wasn't really scoring threats (Hector Calma, Dindo Pumaren). And there are those who are excellent playmakers & legit scoring threats like Johnny Abarrientos & Jimmy Alapag.
I think it's really a great luxury having a point guard who is a very good playmaker & dangerous scoring threat as well. It has a synergistic effect.
There are point guards kasi who are/were excellent playmakers but isn't/wasn't really scoring threats (Hector Calma, Dindo Pumaren). And there are those who are excellent playmakers & legit scoring threats like Johnny Abarrientos & Jimmy Alapag.
I think it's really a great luxury having a point guard who is a very good playmaker & dangerous scoring threat as well. It has a synergistic effect.
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Metta2
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The Triangle does not require a traditional PG or even an elite PG. The Phil Jackson Bulls and Lakers had Kerr, Paxson, Fisher, Shaw etc. The system sets up the offense.
That being the case, PGs that can be considered does not have to be elite playmakers, but instead elite at something else (defense, shooting or size, etc). Scottie is a good example.
That being the case, PGs that can be considered does not have to be elite playmakers, but instead elite at something else (defense, shooting or size, etc). Scottie is a good example.
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JAMSKIE2
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@Metta
But coach Tim had a Johnny Abarrientos (both excellent player & scorer) at Alaska during the mid & late 90's. That was the height of the vaunted triangle offense being run by coach Tim. I think coach Tim at Alaska was more successful during that era as compared to Ginebra mentored by coach Tim at present.
Remember that the triangle being run by coach Tim at present is a modified one. It's no longer the same triangle he used to run at Alaska in the 90's.
Agree with you, the triangle ran by coach Phil Jackson at Chicago & LA didn't really have exceptional playmaking point guards.
But coach Tim had a Johnny Abarrientos (both excellent player & scorer) at Alaska during the mid & late 90's. That was the height of the vaunted triangle offense being run by coach Tim. I think coach Tim at Alaska was more successful during that era as compared to Ginebra mentored by coach Tim at present.
Remember that the triangle being run by coach Tim at present is a modified one. It's no longer the same triangle he used to run at Alaska in the 90's.
Agree with you, the triangle ran by coach Phil Jackson at Chicago & LA didn't really have exceptional playmaking point guards.
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IPC2
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The Triangle does not require a traditional PG or even an elite PG. The Phil Jackson Bulls and Lakers had Kerr, Paxson, Fisher, Shaw etc. The system sets up the offense.
That being the case, PGs that can be considered does not have to be elite playmakers, but instead elite at something else (defense, shooting or size, etc). Scottie is a good example.
@Metta
But coach Tim had a Johnny Abarrientos (both excellent player & scorer) at Alaska during the mid & late 90's. That was the height of the vaunted triangle offense being run by coach Tim. I think coach Tim at Alaska was more successful during that era as compared to Ginebra mentored by coach Tim at present.
Remember that the triangle being run by coach Tim at present is a modified one. It's no longer the same triangle he used to run at Alaska in the 90's.
Agree with you, the triangle ran by coach Phil Jackson at Chicago & LA didn't really have exceptional playmaking point guards.
Thing is, the triangle of the Bulls did have good initiators like Pippen, Jordan, and later Kobe and Lamar Odom.
Here, it was Abarrientos with Alaska, Barroca and Joe Devance with B-Meg/San Mig, and now LA, JDV, Scottie, and Brownlee with Ginebra.
You still need a decent initiator, even if it's from another position.
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Rds2
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Thing is, the triangle of the Bulls did have good initiators like Pippen, Jordan, and later Kobe and Lamar Odom.
Here, it was Abarrientos with Alaska, Barroca and Joe Devance with B-Meg/San Mig, and now LA, JDV, Scottie, and Brownlee with Ginebra.
You still need a decent initiator, even if it's from another position.
Scottie is not really a good initiator. He knows the system and he knows his GSM teammates but his handles are still sub par for a PG. His drives are almost always straight line drives. He is like a smaller Westbrook but with better outside shooting but a bit lesser athleticism. Against bigger comp he cant camp in the free throw line to break the zone.
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JAMSKIE2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiZgYqMa36A&pp=ygUMemVybyBidWNrZXRz
If coach Tim Cone described Mason Amos as a 6-foot-7 Allan Caidic, maybe if he sees Alex Konov's game, coach Tim will describe Konov as a 6-foot-7 Bogs Adornado.
Konov seems to have a quick release on his shots.
If coach Tim Cone described Mason Amos as a 6-foot-7 Allan Caidic, maybe if he sees Alex Konov's game, coach Tim will describe Konov as a 6-foot-7 Bogs Adornado.
Konov seems to have a quick release on his shots.
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Metta2
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@Metta
But coach Tim had a Johnny Abarrientos (both excellent player & scorer) at Alaska during the mid & late 90's. That was the height of the vaunted triangle offense being run by coach Tim. I think coach Tim at Alaska was more successful during that era as compared to Ginebra mentored by coach Tim at present.
Remember that the triangle being run by coach Tim at present is a modified one. It's no longer the same triangle he used to run at Alaska in the 90's.
Agree with you, the triangle ran by coach Phil Jackson at Chicago & LA didn't really have exceptional playmaking point guards.
Johnny is one of our all-time greats, he would have been good in any type of system. It was just a luxury that Alaska had him.
But, the triangle per se, eliminates the need for such an elite PG. Phil Jackson even preferred guard-like wings handling the ball a lot (Pippen, Shaw, Harper, Odom) because it's easier to see over the defense and make short passes. Shorter players will have to work harder to make short passes.
But, there is no need for a designated initiator in the triangle because everyone has to know how to initiate. That's why it's hard to master., everyone has to know everything.
Some of the tweaks that Cone did is to include longer shots (threes). That tweak didn't really create a need for an elite PG (although a knockdown shooter PG will of course be a plus).
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JAMSKIE2
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Johnny is one of our all-time greats, he would have been good in any type of system. It was just a luxury that Alaska had him.
But, the triangle per se, eliminates the need for such an elite PG. Phil Jackson even preferred guard-like wings handling the ball a lot (Pippen, Shaw, Harper, Odom) because it's easier to see over the defense and make short passes. Shorter players will have to work harder to make short passes.
But, there is no need for a designated initiator in the triangle because everyone has to know how to initiate. That's why it's hard to master., everyone has to know everything.
Some of the tweaks that Cone did is to include longer shots (threes). That tweak didn't really create a need for an elite PG (although a knockdown shooter PG will of course be a plus).
The jury is still out on how coach Tim's modified triangle offense would work in the Asia-Oceania level & of course world level as well. Although, honestly I would already be happy & satisfied Gilas winning the gold in next year's FIBA Asia Cup. I'm confident Gilas can do it even if Australia looms as Gilas stumbling block on its route to the gold medal. Of course I'm not underestimating the other teams like Japan, Lebanon, China, New Zealand.
Coach Tim got his momentum with that historic basketball gold medal in last year's Asian Games. But such feat is a bit tarnished with the fact that a No. of Asia-Oceania powerhouse teams weren't in the Asian Games (Australia, New Zealand, Lebanon) or other teams which played there did not play full force (Iran, Japan & South Korea).