Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Giannis34GOD2]

Brownlee is 35 years old, he's not going to develop any more skill. Past-prime guys just need to stay in shape. It is more essential for young and still developing.

Tamayo was playing out of position. This is in fact a good example of how just playing can be detrimental, he needs to refrain from playing center and develop more perimeter skills. Work on his quickness and handles. Using that argument, CJ has been playing plenty of basketball and is reigning MVP, how did that work out for him with Gilas?

But of course you will just continue to use arguments based on your own theoretical self analysis.

We have our own opinion and i respect it... Working out is not bad, But he also needs confidence... His confidence is far too low at this point and he needs playing reps to revive his confidence on the court.. Quiambao is way better than him now... His next Gilas stint will be OQT, Do you think he will get more playing time there? Assuming our opponents are tough and for sure CTC will use his main crew just to be competitive vs Latvia and Georgia... That's why he needs to play competitive basketball in that 4 month span just to ensure to get back his confidence, especially mental part, Then when he will come back to Gilas, He is battle tested and ready physical and mental part of his game... He can still working out while playing, Right? He can use some of his day offs to work out...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Nice to see Will Navarro back playing after an ACL injury that sidelined him for quite some time. He scored 12 pts & 13 rebs last night. Navarro is another Gilas prospect small forward with impressive defensive & rebounding skills. I think it was coach Tab Baldwin who once commended Navarro for his rebounding skill.

 

[ccharmed2]

This is not a secret, most of the greats do this. Kobe said he attributes his 81-point game to the offseason work he did prior, mainly on his conditioning. Guys like Kawhi developed shooting in the offseason, Giannis worked on his body and athleticism, Steph strengthened his lower body to fix his ankle problems, and the list goes on. And a lot of these type of guys are champions, because they get rid of their weaknesses.

This is especially the youth hoops culture in Europe...they will practice/train for the whole week and only have one game in the weekend. A reason why Euros are so skilled.

This is correct. It hasnt occurred to most ballers, even some of the pros, that basketball requires conditioning as intense as for other contact sports like mma fighting. Mma fighters at least dont have to play day in, day out.

Btw, you never lose skills by playing full 5x5 only for 2 or 3 days, with the other days used for mixed light and heavy conditioning as well as shooting and quickness/ explosiveness drills. Strong muscles and bones factually steady and improve shooting and rebounding percentages over many years.

 

[bluenote492]

This is not a secret, most of the greats do this. Kobe said he attributes his 81-point game to the offseason work he did prior, mainly on his conditioning. Guys like Kawhi developed shooting in the offseason, Giannis worked on his body and athleticism, Steph strengthened his lower body to fix his ankle problems, and the list goes on. And a lot of these type of guys are champions, because they get rid of their weaknesses.

This is especially the youth hoops culture in Europe...they will practice/train for the whole week and only have one game in the weekend. A reason why Euros are so skilled.

Treating the remaining 4 months before OQT as offseason training is something I want Carl to do. Use the JBL money to train in the US. I think he has a connection with the GSW Pinoy skill trainer am I right? Hire the guy and see if he can help with a place to stay in San Francisco.

 

[ARMIR2]

Treating the remaining 4 months before OQT as offseason training is something I want Carl to do. Use the JBL money to train in the US. I think he has a connection with the GSW Pinoy skill trainer am I right? Hire the guy and see if he can help with a place to stay in San Francisco.

He worked with that trainer before and he helped him alot to be a little more quicker and better ball handling,going to a NBA Summer Camp should be a must even if isn't gonna be pick for the Summer League,the amount of basketball knowledge he would pick up will be a plus for his career.

 

[bluenote492]

He worked with that trainer before and he helped him alot to be a little more quicker and better ball handling,going to a NBA Summer Camp should be a must even if isn't gonna be pick for the Summer League,the amount of basketball knowledge he would pick up will be a plus for his career.

Yup and if the dream is to continue playing abroad, he needs to put in more effort to improve not just his basketball skills but also his physical fitness. If he can't or doesn't want to, don't expect playing time in any foreign league above PH level, and just be content playing in PBA or MBPL. That's the same reality KQ and other homegrown hybrid 3/4 will face once they decide to play abroad.

 

[Metta2]

Yup and if the dream is to continue playing abroad, he needs to put in more effort to improve not just his basketball skills but also his physical fitness. If he can't or doesn't want to, don't expect playing time in any foreign league above PH level, and just be content playing in PBA or MBPL. That's the same reality KQ and other homegrown hybrid 3/4 will face once they decide to play abroad.

For Tamayo, working on his body/athleticism this next few months will go a long way. And the most efficient way to do it is during opportunities like these where he has a few months to do it. Get to the level of someone like Thirdy in terms of fitness.

I agree with hiring the best trainer possible, it's even tax deductible. If he gets a chance to train alongside nba guys, then even better. What casuals don't realize is if someone gets the chance to train with the most elite guys, that is a great learning opportunity. You learn the "secrets of the trade," of what it takes to get to their level.

Now contrast that to some guy's idea of him playing in the MPBL. What he'll absorb there are the habits, mindset and work ethic of guys who can't even make the PBA.

 

[bluenote492]

Get to the level of someone like Thirdy in terms of fitness.

How I wish it is common for our basketball athletes to have 3rdy's physique. Unang tingin palang alam mo na atleta ehh. Except for a few particularly the half breeds, the only ones in PBA who I think put in the work on their physical fitness are Arana & Shaun Ildefonso.

The PBA needs to fit three conferences in eight months to give players off season training.

 

[CoJ2]

How I wish it is common for our basketball athletes to have 3rdy's physique. Unang tingin palang alam mo na atleta ehh. Except for a few particularly the half breeds, the only ones in PBA who I think put in the work on their physical fitness are Arana & Shaun Ildefonso.

The PBA needs to fit three conferences in eight months to give players off season training.

fitness, conditioning and nutrition has never been a priority for pba teams, the last coach that advocated for it (dickel) was sacked because tnt players want rice in their diet


just look at paul lee’s conditioning

but yeah with a year long season, there is no room for conditioning, just use the season to get fit

atleast the new gen players are fit, hope they dint get the willie miller- Beau Belga habits

 

[ARMIR2]

For Tamayo, working on his body/athleticism this next few months will go a long way. And the most efficient way to do it is during opportunities like these where he has a few months to do it. Get to the level of someone like Thirdy in terms of fitness.

I agree with hiring the best trainer possible, it's even tax deductible. If he gets a chance to train alongside nba guys, then even better. What casuals don't realize is if someone gets the chance to train with the most elite guys, that is a great learning opportunity. You learn the "secrets of the trade," of what it takes to get to their level.

Now contrast that to some guy's idea of him playing in the MPBL. What he'll absorb there are the habits, mindset and work ethic of guys who can't even make the PBA.

Athletics wise,other than Balti probably better than any Gilas or PBA player big man that's not a center,that is local trained.In the Bleagues we can see that he can keep up with the World Imports and of course his big accomplishment was he not only slow down but almost shot down the Korean Davidson player who's probably the most athletic big man shooter of Korea.Attending camps in the US will elevate his skills further and it will keep him in basketball shape.They usually starts after the NCAA championship so probably around April or May,during baseball spring training,that's when there's not much basketball in the US.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Watching Justin Arana, he's agile on offense, but the defense could use some help. I did see him blitz a pick and roll, but rim protection and defending when switched are real points of concern.

If he's going to be a useful piece for Gilas, he needs to improve both those areas. At 6'7" in shoes, playing exclusively as a center won't cut it.

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At 6-foot-7, Arana should play as a 4 at Gilas. Problem is he's not your typical modern-day "four". He's no RDO or a Carl Tamayo or a Justine Baltazar, especially on offense.

I think his Converge teammate Bryan Santos, though only 6-5 or 6-6, has better potential getting a Gilas call up. Santos I think is a legit stretch-four.

 

[IPC2]

Nice to see Will Navarro back playing after an ACL injury that sidelined him for quite some time. He scored 12 pts & 13 rebs last night. Navarro is another Gilas prospect small forward with impressive defensive & rebounding skills. I think it was coach Tab Baldwin who once commended Navarro for his rebounding skill.

Lately, he's been bringing the ball up after a rebound, or taking it coast-to-coast. Good defender too.

He can be like a Joe Devance in Cone's Gilas team.

 

[Joe Yabuki2]

how about santi santillian for gilas? he seems to be progressing well as a wing player

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

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At 6-foot-7, Arana should play as a 4 at Gilas. Problem is he's not your typical modern-day "four". He's no RDO or a Carl Tamayo or a Justine Baltazar, especially on offense.

I think his Converge teammate Bryan Santos, though only 6-5 or 6-6, has better potential getting a Gilas call up. Santos I think is a legit stretch-four.

Sir Jams,

I totally agree.

that lad has potential for as long as he keeps on grinding, that 3 Pts. shot is almost or always a butter.

I hope Jeo Ambohot would not be discourage and continue the same thing despite it's not falling compared to the previous conferences.

our Gilas needs a Michael Porter Jr. type of a player moving forward.

 

[watiwawa2]

Lately, he's been bringing the ball up after a rebound, or taking it coast-to-coast. Good defender too.

He can be like a Joe Devance in Cone's Gilas team.

Agree. Will pick Will Navarro over Malonzo

 

[reamily2]

Agree. Will pick Will Navarro over Malonzo

too bad Jamie is becoming Chris Ellis (bgk version) in Gilas..

 

[ARMIR2]

It seems the consensus is Navarro,and Lopez are the two leading candidates to replace Malonzo,I for one do like either one over Malonzo,I hope one gets retained as a sub or practice player in Gilas.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

It seems the consensus is Navarro,and Lopez are the two leading candidates to replace Malonzo,I for one do like either one over Malonzo,I hope one gets retained as a sub or practice player in Gilas.

I'm not high on Francis Lopez, especially with the way he played in last year's UAAP season with UP. Outside shooting was still suspect, so was his handles. The only bright spot is that at least he's young at 20 or 21 yrs old. But he has to work hard in improving his shooting & handles.

 

[IPC2]

I'm not high on Francis Lopez, especially with the way he played in last year's UAAP season with UP. Outside shooting was still suspect, so was his handles. The only bright spot is that at least he's young at 20 or 21 yrs old. But he has to work hard in improving his shooting & handles.

Some observed in the UAAP Season 86 thread that he got blown by on defense as well. That's another area to work on, especially with his athleticism.

He turns 21 in May, so he has time to work on his shooting, handle, and perimeter defense.

 

[IPC2]

Kume Eala advocating for Arana as a Gilas candidate: https://x.com/NoliEala/status/1764592669932797993?s=20

Arana is too small to play center at 6'7" in shoes, and he has neither the jumping ability nor the wingspan (Arana's is only 6'9") to compensate. Thus, he has to play PF in Gilas, like sir JAMSKIE said.

He needs to improve on these key aspects to play PF in FIBA:

1. Quickness on defense. He has to show that he can stay in front of quick guards, defend the PnR, and closeout on shooters. He's quick on offense, just a matter of utilizing that on defense.

2. Outside shooting. Having a viable three-point shot or even a jumper from 6 meters (roughly 20 feet) is important for a lot of fours, for spacing. Again, he has to play PF, not center, in Gilas.