Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE2]

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I have a feeling that if Samboy Lim, Vergel Meneses, Jojo Lastimosa, & maybe even Allan Caidic, are playing in this current generation, baka mahirapan sila to get a crack at coach Tab's team no matter how offensive skilled they were. All those players mentioned being weak defenders. Maybe coach Tab would make a special exemption on Caidic's case knowing how explosive a shooter he was during his prime & its very rare in Phi basketball to have a shooter as good as Caidic.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I think so.

If you are not an exceptional Offensive Player like Carmelo Anthony or James Harden, I dont think you will crack the lineup by being a def liability.

Clarkson is not a bad defender imo. Kai and AJ are great rim protectors.

Two way players are a must in Fiba Worlds imo.

Gabe is a defensive specialist. But he lacks offense in world standards. Jeff Chan was a good offensive sniper, but he was a defensive liability

Even if for instance Clarkson is a deadweight on defense, I think coach Tab would still pick him for the sake of winnability knowing how much impact Clarkson will bring to Gilas. I mean with Clarkson in the team, parang given na yung at least 20 pts. per game stats that he's going to provide the team. For a coach, that's too tempting a privilege to pass up.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I ask you guys, if for instance you're the Gilas head coach, would you pass up a talent like Allan Caidic or Danny Seigle as these players are defensive liabilities?

 

[fadzki2]

Even if for instance Clarkson is a deadweight on defense, I think coach Tab would still pick him for the sake of winnability knowing how much impact Clarkson will bring to Gilas. I mean with Clarkson in the team, parang given na yung at least 20 pts. per game stats that he's going to provide the team. For a coach, that's too tempting a privilege to pass up.

Imagine the backlash coach Tab would get if he doesn't call up JC for a Gilas stint if JC is available, no matter how little practice time JC will get when he joins Gilas it's a no brainer he should be part of the final 12 Angelo can wait for his turn.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I ask you guys, if for instance you're the Gilas head coach, would you pass up a talent like Allan Caidic or Danny Seigle as these players are defensive liabilities?

No. Because they are exceptional offense.

Allan Caidic - Exceptional Outside Shooting. As in, Near Nba Level shooting.

Danny Seigle - Walking Mismatch

Anyway, In every rule there is an exception

 

[thatweirdguy2]

If they're willing to bend the rules a little for Kai and Dwight surely a great talent like JC gets a pass no? That is if he still plays at the same level in 2023. You could probably hide 1 or 2 bad defensive players if you have at least 3 guys who are above average on defense and you have a great system.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If they're willing to bend the rules a little for Kai and Dwight surely a great talent like JC gets a pass no? That is if he still plays at the same level in 2023. You could probably hide 1 or 2 bad defensive players if you have at least 3 guys who are above average on defense and you have a great system.

I think that was what the late coach Ron Jacobs did with the RP-NCC team in the 80's having defensive deadweights Allan Caidic & Samboy Lim in the roster.

 

[Labradoodle2]

I think so.

If you are not an exceptional Offensive Player like Carmelo Anthony or James Harden, I dont think you will crack the lineup by being a def liability.

Clarkson is not a bad defender imo. Kai and AJ are great rim protectors.

Two way players are a must in Fiba Worlds imo.

Gabe is a defensive specialist. But he lacks offense in world standards. Jeff Chan was a good offensive sniper, but he was a defensive liability

Yeah Gabe wasn't much of a scorer, but his dunks were highlight-worthy. Moreso that Kobe Paras.

 

[neo2]

Is Clarkson a bad defender last Asian Games? I remember he stole Zhou Qi after getting rebound easily.. Parang candy na inagawan lang.. And also remember how he disrupt Chinese and Korean guards whenever he's in defensive end? Pressure yung mga guards ng kalaban when Clarkson is there.. That is NBA pedigree for you.. Intimidated sila kay Clarkson.. In FIBA level, Clarkson is a good defender..

clarkson's defense has improved this year in d nba.

 

[neo2]

No. Because they are exceptional offense.

Allan Caidic - Exceptional Outside Shooting. As in, Near Nba Level shooting.

Danny Seigle - Walking Mismatch

Anyway, In every rule there is an exception

not only that tab had castro and romeo, he had them played together regularly....

but d other options were alapag (2015) or tenorio (2016) so it was a no-brainer.

 

[lurklurk2]

Playing defense based on a scheme (especially tab’s defenseive scheme) is really about knowing where to go and being able to go there on time. For us to utilize clarkson’s defensive potential, it is imperative for him to familiarize himself of our scheme and build chemistry with his teammates. One of the reasons why for me, SBP’s next priority should be to have clarkson join a training camp or two with the gilas pool to really build that chemistry and familiarity with our schemes both offensively and defensively.

 

[Labradoodle2]

Playing defense based on a scheme (especially tab’s defenseive scheme) is really about knowing where to go and being able to go there on time. For us to utilize clarkson’s defensive potential, it is imperative for him to familiarize himself of our scheme and build chemistry with his teammates. One of the reasons why for me, SBP’s next priority should be to have clarkson join a training camp or two with the gilas pool to really build that chemistry and familiarity with our schemes both offensively and defensively.

Would this be even realized? While main FIBA games are during NBA off season, the Gilas training are often held before the off season. Even the windows tend to by in season. The only "realistic" way JC could join Gilas on time is a last minute hugot.

 

[lurklurk2]

Would this be even realized? While main FIBA games are during NBA off season, the Gilas training are often held before the off season. Even the windows tend to by in season. The only "realistic" way JC could join Gilas on time is a last minute hugot.

2022 schedule for fiba windows is already released

 

[Sikatrix2]

Remember JC comes with a hefty insurance bill but one that decreases every year. No idea if SBP/MVP has to pay JC's insurance for practice though but if he somehow plays OQT for example thats insuring a 40 million dollar contract. We dont know how willing MVP is to keep paying for insurance.

 

[lurklurk2]

Remember JC comes with a hefty insurance bill but one that decreases every year. No idea if SBP/MVP has to pay JC's insurance for practice though but if he somehow plays OQT for example thats insuring a 40 million dollar contract. We dont know how willing MVP is to keep paying for insurance.

There are ways to raise funds to cover the insurance. Holding an MVP cup as tuneup games with clarkson in the lineup can draw crowds and ad revenue. Im sure there will be other hurdles aside from the insurance bill, and these are the reasons why i mentioned that sbp should make this their next big priority. Just aligning the schedules wont be enough, this should be prepared months in advance with constant talks to make sure everything is ironed out.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I've just finished watching the 1st, 2nd & 3rd quarters (walang 4th quarter eh sayang) of Phi vs. Iran game in 2007 Jones Cup. Hamed Hadadi was I think 22 years of age while Samad Bahrami was 24 at that time. Hindi pa talaga ganoon ka galing at ka lakas si Hadadi at that time. I think Asi did a good job defending Hadadi at the post. But Samad Bahrami was already very good at that time. In fact Samad & his brother the late Aydin Bahrami formed a solid tandem at the forward positions with Samad playing the 3 & Aydin playing the 4. Iran actually had good size 4's & 3's and I can't help but envy that team. These forwards can handle the ball well & shoot from the outside. From what I recall, we won this game but binawian tayo ng Iran in the much more important game which was in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship. Iran coach Rajko Toroman piloted Iran to the gold medal in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

I've just finished watching the 1st, 2nd & 3rd quarters (walang 4th quarter eh sayang) of Phi vs. Iran game in 2007 Jones Cup. Hamed Hadadi was I think 22 years of age while Samad Bahrami was 24 at that time. Hindi pa talaga ganoon ka galing si Hadadi at that time. I think Asi did a good job defending Hadadi at the post. But Samad Bahrami was already very good at that time. In fact Samad & his brother the late Aydin Bahrami formed a solid tandem at the forward positions with Samad playing the 3 & Aydin playing the 4. Iran actually had good size 4's & 3's and I can't help but envy that team. These forwards can handle the ball well & shoot from the outside. From what I recall, we won this game but binawian tayo ng Iran in the much more important game which was in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship. Iran coach Rajko Toroman piloted Iran to the gold medal in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship.

Where did you watch?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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I think most of Iran's players at that time were in their early & mid-20's which was similar to our current Gilas cadet pool. So in a sense, parang halos cadet pool ng Iran yung nakaharap nating team in 2007.

Judging from how Hadadi played in that game (though 3 quarters lang yung nakita ko), I'm confident to say that an 18-year old Kai Sotto is more skilled than the 22-year old Hahadi. I want to emphasize that I'm only referring to "purely" skills. I would like to reiterate that basketball skills & basketball capabilities are two different things. I strongly believe that Kai would become the more skilled player compared to Hadadi. Kai's footwork & post moves are obviously better than Hadadi. Kai's shooting & ball handling are also better than Hadadi. Though I believe Hadadi is the physically stronger & tougher player.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Where did you watch?

Rodil Raymundo youtube channel brad

 

[DAdmiral2]

Where did you watch?

I remember those days, had to use illegal streams to watch games lol, I think the forum.was pba.ph pa lol