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JAMSKIE2
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Well, that's understandable since the 2019 World Cup Gilas team was coached by Yeng Guiao & SMC was really willing to lend its players to the Gilas team at that time.
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Well, that's understandable since the 2019 World Cup Gilas team was coached by Yeng Guiao & SMC was really willing to lend its players to the Gilas team at that time.
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Rds2
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Highly doubt your last sentence. Too lazy to research but I think SMB ad in Gilas jersey came first before Baltazar suiting up. And is Balti really worth a compromise of such nature?
One pressing question has always been, “What happens when MVP retires from all of these?
Regardless, it means SMC is supporting Gilas in some capacity.
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digitalsuperman2
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Regardless, it means SMC is supporting Gilas in some capacity.
actually they do sponsor gilas through SBP.
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Rds2
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Oh. Didn't know that. It's good to hear there's some cooperation between the MVP group and SMC.actually they do sponsor gilas through SBP.
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JAMSKIE2
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Based on what Gilas current point guards Matt Nieto, SJ Belangel & RJ Abarrientos have shown so far with Gilas, I feel we still would need an experienced & a more seasoned point guard like a Kiefer Ravena or a Robert Bolick during the 2023 FIBA World Cup. I feel Matt Nieto won't cut it as our lead point guard. He's slow & not so skilled. Belangel on the other hand isn't really your smart & disciplined point guard you'll want to entrust the fate of your team in the world level. Abarrientos may be skilled & promising but I don't think he'll reach the level of enough maturity in 2 years time.
Iba talaga ang impact ng isang well experienced & matured point guard sa team as such experience & maturity bring stability & order to the team.
Iba talaga ang impact ng isang well experienced & matured point guard sa team as such experience & maturity bring stability & order to the team.
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JAMSKIE2
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I honestly think that we are just one skilled & good size (6-foot-5/6-foot-6) small forward away from being among the top 5 Asia-Oceania teams by 2023.
I'm using the Iranian basketball pattern eh. Iran with 7-foot-2 skilled center Hamed Hadadi & a high quality 6-foot-5 wingman Samad Bahrami spearheading the team, has been among the elite teams in Asian basketball in the last 15 years or so. Hadadi & Bahrami are the cornerstones of the Iran team in the last decade & a half. Kumbaga eh si Hadadi & Bahrami ang haligi at pader ng team. With that, madali na lang magboo ng malakas na team eh. Support group na lang consisting of role players ang kailangan which won't be that difficult. You take away Hadadi & Bahrami from the Iran team & that team would just be an average one.
With the current Gilas, we already have a 7-foot-2 skilled big guy in Kai Sotto. Kai is our Hadadi eh. But we don't have a Bahrami eh. I don't think Dweet Ramos is in the same class as a Samad Nikkah Bahrami. Well, we expect naman Jordan Clarkson to play for us in the 2023 World Cup, & Clarkson is even better than Bahrami. But how I wish sana that Clarkson can play for us in more tournaments other than just the World Cup. Pero malabong mangyari yun eh.
I'm using the Iranian basketball pattern eh. Iran with 7-foot-2 skilled center Hamed Hadadi & a high quality 6-foot-5 wingman Samad Bahrami spearheading the team, has been among the elite teams in Asian basketball in the last 15 years or so. Hadadi & Bahrami are the cornerstones of the Iran team in the last decade & a half. Kumbaga eh si Hadadi & Bahrami ang haligi at pader ng team. With that, madali na lang magboo ng malakas na team eh. Support group na lang consisting of role players ang kailangan which won't be that difficult. You take away Hadadi & Bahrami from the Iran team & that team would just be an average one.
With the current Gilas, we already have a 7-foot-2 skilled big guy in Kai Sotto. Kai is our Hadadi eh. But we don't have a Bahrami eh. I don't think Dweet Ramos is in the same class as a Samad Nikkah Bahrami. Well, we expect naman Jordan Clarkson to play for us in the 2023 World Cup, & Clarkson is even better than Bahrami. But how I wish sana that Clarkson can play for us in more tournaments other than just the World Cup. Pero malabong mangyari yun eh.
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Stevy2
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I think we have the 3 covered with Baltazar and Tamayo. Our problem lang talaga for me is the Point guard but this is solvable with Bolick/Kiefer, 1GDL and Panopio. We also still have the Dwight/Dave transition but it is not a guarantee that it will be successful. Teams to look out for in our region will always be Australia, New Zealand, Iran, China and South Korea. Japan and Jordan has some nice teams also. Hopefully in 2023 we can have a starting 5 like this.
PG - Kiefer/Bolick
SG- Clarkson
SF- Baltazar
PF - Kai
C- Kouame
I think we have the 3 covered with Baltazar and Tamayo. Our problem lang talaga for me is the Point guard but this is solvable with Bolick/Kiefer, 1GDL and Panopio. We also still have the Dwight/Dave transition but it is not a guarantee that it will be successful. Teams to look out for in our region will always be Australia, New Zealand, Iran, China and South Korea. Japan and Jordan has some nice teams also. Hopefully in 2023 we can have a starting 5 like this.
PG - Kiefer/Bolick
SG- Clarkson
SF- Baltazar
PF - Kai
C- Kouame
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empyreanmaze2
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The small forward thing really comes down to the development of Lebron Lopez and Kobe Paras, the success of either or better, both of those players is really what's gonna put us on equal footing with Iran when it comes to local development. We have to compensate for Hachimura and Watanabe too, I currently don't see a Baltazar or Tamayo having the athleticism or mobility to keep in step with either of those players or any players of their mold on defense. We're really looking for Gabriel Decks for the 2-3 position to make us a threat internationally.
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empyreanmaze2
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https://youtu.be/8DKLf-RAWmU
Good video to clarify our need for shot creators and viable iso options in the team moving forward. This actually explains the value of an RJ Abarrientos and SJ Belangels in both our wins against Korea. Though I still believe there are much better and bigger iso players than those 2. Basically your ball movement is non existent without a good iso player, what we saw in those very ugly games in the King Abdullah Cup and many times before is not really ball movement, it's just a game of hot potato. I kinda understand why Tab is so adamant to include JC even at the expense of Kouame.
Good video to clarify our need for shot creators and viable iso options in the team moving forward. This actually explains the value of an RJ Abarrientos and SJ Belangels in both our wins against Korea. Though I still believe there are much better and bigger iso players than those 2. Basically your ball movement is non existent without a good iso player, what we saw in those very ugly games in the King Abdullah Cup and many times before is not really ball movement, it's just a game of hot potato. I kinda understand why Tab is so adamant to include JC even at the expense of Kouame.
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reamily2
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https://youtu.be/8DKLf-RAWmU
Good video to clarify our need for shot creators and viable iso options in the team moving forward. This actually explains the value of an RJ Abarrientos and SJ Belangels in both our wins against Korea. Though I still believe there are much better and bigger iso players than those 2. Basically your ball movement is non existent without a good iso player, what we saw in those very ugly games in the King Abdullah Cup and many times before is not really ball movement, it's just a game of hot potato. I kinda understand why Tab is so adamant to include JC even at the expense of Kouame.
Is this true? or just the ability of a Kai Sotto and a healthy aj edu can compensate Kouame's absence, but ange may not produce eye popping numbers but he is a solid team guy.. he plays really well if our team plays well
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empyreanmaze2
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Is this true? or just the ability of a Kai Sotto and a healthy aj edu can compensate Kouame's absence, but ange may not produce eye popping numbers but he is a solid team guy.. he plays really well if our team plays well
I just infered it when Tab said he won't mind if Clarkson joins in late. It also becomes more observable from the fact that Tab is getting this team used to playing without Kouame, even during the China tuneup game.
To me saying something like what he said about JC hints you're really at the top priority of the program. Kouame is indeed an amazing player but after the King Abdullah trials, it's quite clear we need a Jordan Clarkson to ignite the engine.
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empyreanmaze2
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So if they pick JC for Kouame, They need one or 2 back up bigs to support Kai and healthy AJ... Geo 2 years from now might be better option than unhealthy Junmar..
Geo Chiu should be decent come 2023. I have faith Edu will recover just in time, if he suffers another horrible injury then damn... it'll be for the best if he just quits this sport. A rawer bigman might be a possible option if Geo Chiu becomes a good player, some of our younger 6'10 and above bigs could be a decent reliever even for just 10 mins per game. What we'll lack with or without the inclusion of JC is a decent sized power forward who can play the part imo.
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PaVi2
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For me, JC is just a distraction unless he train for at least 2 weeks with the team. Pinoys have the habit to play inferior when they have someone they can super rely on like, i.e. import-level player. That will be solved if JC will play longer with the team. And i don't feel like wasting a possible quarterfinal run, on a messiah mentality. This will happen, if we repeatedly rely on a possible JC who might even come in late.
Remember, the template for a Golden Generation was already proven by Argentina, and Iran. We can follow that approach with some tweak, and a late-JC entrant is definitely, to my mind, not a good viable option.
For me, JC is just a distraction unless he train for at least 2 weeks with the team. Pinoys have the habit to play inferior when they have someone they can super rely on like, i.e. import-level player. That will be solved if JC will play longer with the team. And i don't feel like wasting a possible quarterfinal run, on a messiah mentality. This will happen, if we repeatedly rely on a possible JC who might even come in late.
Remember, the template for a Golden Generation was already proven by Argentina, and Iran. We can follow that approach with some tweak, and a late-JC entrant is definitely, to my mind, not a good viable option.
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ARMIR2
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The small forward thing really comes down to the development of Lebron Lopez and Kobe Paras, the success of either or better, both of those players is really what's gonna put us on equal footing with Iran when it comes to local development. We have to compensate for Hachimura and Watanabe too, I currently don't see a Baltazar or Tamayo having the athleticism or mobility to keep in step with either of those players or any players of their mold on defense. We're really looking for Gabriel Decks for the 2-3 position to make us a threat internationally.
Either one of the two will be considered combo SF/SG,unlike the Tamayo,Baltazar duo,who are taller and they're really comfortable going up against guys their size or taller and both are very aggressive.I don't have much of a belief that LL will improve in leaps and bounds,when the league that he sign up for is a barnstoming league of the olden days.
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empyreanmaze2
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For me, JC is just a distraction unless he train for at least 2 weeks with the team. Pinoys have the habit to play inferior when they have someone they can super rely on like, i.e. import-level player. That will be solved if JC will play longer with the team. And i don't feel like wasting a possible quarterfinal run, on a messiah mentality. This will happen, if we repeatedly rely on a possible JC who might even come in late.
Remember, the template for a Golden Generation was already proven by Argentina, and Iran. We can follow that approach with some tweak, and a late-JC entrant is definitely, to my mind, not a good viable option.
1. I'd like to call the over reliance of pinoy players on a very ball dominant import the Blatche or Balkman syndrome, I'm definitely against bringing back that type of system and culture, it's something that I agree, the inclusion of an import like Kouame drastically changes and brings us back a winning formula. But I don't see that Blatche/Balkman syndrome with JC even during the Asian games, JC seems to be a more team oriented player and a good player for the team to orbit, I see him more as a cog in the system that'll make everything run perfectly instead of the glorified lifeboats that Blatche and Balkman were in their respective teams.
Can you just imagine the amount of open looks that Baltazar and Tamayo could get, how many plays Tab could run for Sotto, how much pressure could be taken off of Dwight if Clarkson was playing? He could also serve as a benchmark for Lopez and Paras on how to fit into the team.
2. The video I quoted is the perfect case for why we need an iso capable player like Clarkson, even though iso plays are one of the least run plays in the nba as statistics shown, it is one of the most run plays in the clutch, Clarkson is the type of player that will attract gravity on defense and one of the closers that we will need when playing top teams, unless you're telling me that Gilas can maintain a lead against top 30 teams until the final seconds of the game clock with this current pool which is very unlikely even with Sotto. The opposing team having to shutdown our number 1 scoring option in Clarkson will open up Dwight, Sotto, Baltazar and Tamayo. Clarkson is the type of player that will change the decade long gilas fan culture of being ecstatic and boasting to the entire world and their grandmas about "almost wins" to actually winning shit.
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empyreanmaze2
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But I don't see that Blatche/Balkman syndrome with JC even during the Asian games, JC seems to be a more team oriented player and a good player for the team to orbit, I see him more as a cog in the system that'll make everything run perfectly instead of the glorified lifeboats that Blatche and Balkman were in their respective teams.
This is also in context with Tab's system instead of solely on the individual style of a player btw. We have seen that Kouame is perfectly capable of playing hero ball in the King Abdullah Cup but the system does not rely on him doing that all game to succeed. Though a Blatche or a Balkman def wouldn't excell in this kind of culture the same way Kouame would because of imo limited court vision and I wouldn't exactly call them good team players.
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Stevy2
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I do see the need to have an Isolation option for our team, if we can have easy baskets through a Kouame/Sotto Post isolation play or Iso play from our guards than why not diba. Sometimes running a simple play like this is the right move because even in the Euroleague/Fiba this is also an option but I disagree in the clutch situations. It should be an option but we have to understand that the NBA game is different from Euro League/Fiba. In euroleague they do run Iso sets but not as frequently compared to NBA teams especially in the clutch. The reason why Iso plays are ran more frequently in the NBA Playoffs than Fiba/Euro league is because it is a 7 game series. In a 7 game series of course there would be more preparation, Adjustments compared to Fiba/Euroleague where at most 3 game series lang for the Euroleague while in Fiba knockout game talaga. The one thing that we can be happy of Gilas is that we are playing excellent defense and disciplined. We don't try to force shots as much compared to previous iterations of Gilas and this is where Iso plays should also come. We are now disciplined enough in my opinion to have an Iso play every once in awhile. I can also see in the King's cup that sometimes running this is the best option pero of course we can't expect our players to perform like Curry/CP3/KD/Luka in the clutch but it should still be an option because we have the personnel who can do a good job. In fairness I can see naman also from the King's cup that either Kouame, Thirdy, Dave, SJ were given iso sets naman. They aren't just as effective to the NBA players. Pero no need to worry in my opinion because I am sure by 2022/2023 we will have the players that can do a good job but we shouldn't stray away from our team oriented offense also. Our offense overall has generated plenty of easy opportunities whether this is through an open 3/2, an easy layup/dunk through a pass, An easy iso set from a fake dribble handoff and etc.
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PaVi2
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1. I'd like to call the over reliance of pinoy players on a very ball dominant import the Blatche or Balkman syndrome, I'm definitely against bringing back that type of system and culture, it's something that I agree, the inclusion of an import like Kouame drastically changes and brings us back a winning formula. But I don't see that Blatche/Balkman syndrome with JC even during the Asian games, JC seems to be a more team oriented player and a good player for the team to orbit, I see him more as a cog in the system that'll make everything run perfectly instead of the glorified lifeboats that Blatche and Balkman were in their respective teams.
Can you just imagine the amount of open looks that Baltazar and Tamayo could get, how many plays Tab could run for Sotto, how much pressure could be taken off of Dwight if Clarkson was playing? He could also serve as a benchmark for Lopez and Paras on how to fit into the team.
2. The video I quoted is the perfect case for why we need an iso capable player like Clarkson, even though iso plays are one of the least run plays in the nba as statistics shown, it is one of the most run plays in the clutch, Clarkson is the type of player that will attract gravity on defense and one of the closers that we will need when playing top teams, unless you're telling me that Gilas can maintain a lead against top 30 teams until the final seconds of the game clock with this current pool which is very unlikely even with Sotto. The opposing team having to shutdown our number 1 scoring option in Clarkson will open up Dwight, Sotto, Baltazar and Tamayo. Clarkson is the type of player that will change the decade long gilas fan culture of being ecstatic and boasting to the entire world and their grandmas about "almost wins" to actually winning shit.
I fully agree we need an iso type player/ or a creator. If we can have a taller romeo/ castro, that would be much better. Hence the reason i agree to JC joining but at least should have 2 weeks training with the guys. Also, i felt that JC was hindering himself when he joined us. He was trying to play too much within the system so that his teammates would not feel uneasy. There were a lot of times when he was timid, imho, because he was trying to create chemistry. There are times when he was trying to play import because they were trying to win it. Overall, i think pilit yung pagsali nya nung panahon ni CYG. and the other players accommodated him because he is an NBA player. Again, my biased view is that they were a bit reliant on him. This kind of reliance is different when they just have JC local (jason castro). There is more comfortability letting him Go on a tear because he is a team mate they know they can rely on, rather than a teammate they know they can rely on because NBA player eh. I don't know how to explain it clearer, but i hope i was able to communicate it properly.
This little bit of observation will be exponential if JC, NBA player, plays with the boys. Sigurado, mas matindi ang deference ng mga yan kesa sa mga oldies. At least the oldies already have the experience to play against other really great international players for far longer time (may 5 years na ata sila experience as of 2015) at madami na sila na kalaro talaga.
Hence, if JC, NBA will play, there should be at least 2 weeks or baka nga 1 month pa, with at least 1 tournament joined siguro. Otherwise, I think, magiging wasted opportunity yun. Just my 2 cents though.
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Stevy2
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I fully agree we need an iso type player/ or a creator. If we can have a taller romeo/ castro, that would be much better. Hence the reason i agree to JC joining but at least should have 2 weeks training with the guys. Also, i felt that JC was hindering himself when he joined us. He was trying to play too much within the system so that his teammates would not feel uneasy. There were a lot of times when he was timid, imho, because he was trying to create chemistry. There are times when he was trying to play import because they were trying to win it. Overall, i think pilit yung pagsali nya nung panahon ni CYG. and the other players accommodated him because he is an NBA player. Again, my biased view is that they were a bit reliant on him. This kind of reliance is different when they just have JC local (jason castro). There is more comfortability letting him Go on a tear because he is a team mate they know they can rely on, rather than a teammate they know they can rely on because NBA player eh. I don't know how to explain it clearer, but i hope i was able to communicate it properly.
This little bit of observation will be exponential if JC, NBA player, plays with the boys. Sigurado, mas matindi ang deference ng mga yan kesa sa mga oldies. At least the oldies already have the experience to play against other really great international players for far longer time (may 5 years na ata sila experience as of 2015) at madami na sila na kalaro talaga.
Hence, if JC, NBA will play, there should be at least 2 weeks or baka nga 1 month pa, with at least 1 tournament joined siguro. Otherwise, I think, magiging wasted opportunity yun. Just my 2 cents though.
I agree which is why I hope that JC can join us for the Asian Games Next year. This is the only tournament that he can join that will have enough games to build familiarity to the system and the players. It will also give us an outlook on our team in 2023 once JC/Kouame will be granted as a local status in 2023 (I truly believe that one of them will be a local, highly unlikely though that the both of them will). The Asian games starts in September, I am not sure about the NBA schedule but I think by 2022 it will be back to mid October which is why hopefully he can join us in the Asian games.
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empyreanmaze2
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I do see the need to have an Isolation option for our team, if we can have easy baskets through a Kouame/Sotto Post isolation play or Iso play from our guards than why not diba. Sometimes running a simple play like this is the right move because even in the Euroleague/Fiba this is also an option but I disagree in the clutch situations. It should be an option but we have to understand that the NBA game is different from Euro League/Fiba. In euroleague they do run Iso sets but not as frequently compared to NBA teams especially in the clutch. The reason why Iso plays are ran more frequently in the NBA Playoffs than Fiba/Euro league is because it is a 7 game series. In a 7 game series of course there would be more preparation, Adjustments compared to Fiba/Euroleague where at most 3 game series lang for the Euroleague while in Fiba knockout game talaga. The one thing that we can be happy of Gilas is that we are playing excellent defense and disciplined. We don't try to force shots as much compared to previous iterations of Gilas and this is where Iso plays should also come. We are now disciplined enough in my opinion to have an Iso play every once in awhile. I can also see in the King's cup that sometimes running this is the best option pero of course we can't expect our players to perform like Curry/CP3/KD/Luka in the clutch but it should still be an option because we have the personnel who can do a good job. In fairness I can see naman also from the King's cup that either Kouame, Thirdy, Dave, SJ were given iso sets naman. They aren't just as effective to the NBA players. Pero no need to worry in my opinion because I am sure by 2022/2023 we will have the players that can do a good job but we shouldn't stray away from our team oriented offense also. Our offense overall has generated plenty of easy opportunities whether this is through an open 3/2, an easy layup/dunk through a pass, An easy iso set from a fake dribble handoff and etc.
The US is a reigning champ internationally for a reason. These are also applicable in all of our fiba games so far, in both Korean games and in the OQT, it was an RJ Abarrientos or SJ Belangel iso play that secured or gave the team the lead and won the game(or got us close anyway), even in the King Abdullah Cup, we gotta rely on the shotmaking abilities of our main scorers to close the leads, it is a pretty universally applicable analysis and obviously not just something for the nba.