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zairex2
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I think you did not understand my post. Just read it again on a backdrop that I was talking to a foreigner and he said this to me.
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I think you did not understand my post. Just read it again on a backdrop that I was talking to a foreigner and he said this to me.
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TheRodster212
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Actually a lot of foreigners I have talk to said why basketball when your average guy is 5'5", body is not big and not atheltic. Only in basketball will be need all those attributes. In volleyball you might need height and athletic but not necessary heft. Football, height is not a big advantage, similar to baseball. We chose a sports that make as so disadvantageous. That why its crazy for other SEA countries to try and follow our lead too.
I like to look at Inodonesia to see what a bad development program if a sport is popular in the country looks like when it comes to football. In fact which SEA football teams are competitive on the international level? Ever since the fil-foreigners have joined the region Azklals started winning and have become one of the best in the region.
if you want to look at natural talent, most Asian countries do well at baseball.
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Metta2
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I think you did not understand my post. Just read it again on a backdrop that I was talking to a foreigner and he said this to me.
Yes I read it, you mentioning our race/dna limitations before and then mentioning that conversation with the foreigner which is basically about race/dna again sort of made me understand it that way.
What was your point in mentioning your conversation with the foreigner then?
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zairex2
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Yes I read it, you mentioning our race/dna limitations before and then mentioning that conversation with the foreigner which is basically about race/dna again sort of made me understand it that way.
What was your point in mentioning your conversation with the foreigner then?
That others see the disadvantage including foreigners. They think its crazy that we love something that is so disadvantageous to us and chance of winning is small. So they also feel DNA are limiting factor. Its just so glaring to those foreigners. From science to basketball fans in general same thing, about us and basketball should have not be this loved
This might be the most crucial physical attribute of a player Height/long limbs, Heft, Athleticism. Most pinoy will only check 1 or rarely 2 of those.
Even with that I still love and read more about basketball and support our team. I was ask why we love it, I said that we love underdogs. Basketball is the only popular sport that make us the most underdog.
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Metta2
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That others see the disadvantage including foreigners. They think its crazy that we love something that is so disadvantageous to us and chance of winning is small. So they also feel DNA are limiting factor. Its just so glaring to those foreigners. From science to basketball fans in general same thing, about us and basketball should have not be this loved
This might be the most crucial physical attribute of a player Height/long limbs, Heft, Athleticism. Most pinoy will only check 1 or rarely 2 of those.
Even with that I still love and read more about basketball and support our team. I was ask why we love it, I said that we love underdogs. Basketball is the only popular sport that make us the most underdog.
There, that third paragraph is crucial.
This race/dna/athletic/size thing...we're not really crazy thinking we will be fiba world cup champion or olympic champion. We're not crazy thinking we can beat the size and athleticism of the US and Serbia. But the success that we have accomplished in basketball is enough. Actually it is enough when it comes to any team sport that we compete in. Comparable southeast asian countries who are so much into futbol has nowhere near the success we've had in basketball. In terms of success in sports, our best chances are really in individual sports, especially those with weight classes like boxing and weighlifting. And the less expensive, the better the chances.
Like you said, us liking basketball is a defiance to people who say we're not supposed to be in the sport. It's appeal is very much like Jamaica having a bobsled team.
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Metta2
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Even with that I still love and read more about basketball and support our team. I was ask why we love it, I said that we love underdogs. Basketball is the only popular sport that make us the most underdog.
And now it makes sense, you're more of the normal fan basing everything on what you read and watch. Not to demean but there is so much more going on that regular people are not aware of so don't be too quick to think in absolutes.
It's like thinking you can learn and master swimming by reading a book.
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ja.he2
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I just realized that Gilas was only one of the two teams in the World Cup that sent a team having 5 players shorter than 190cm (6'3). The other team was Venezuela which fared worse (0-5, 30th place).
Also, contrary to many says, Japan is not really that short as a team. Yes, Togashi (5'6) and Kawamura (5'8) are short but the rest are above 188cm (6'2) while 8 players are 190cm (6'3) or taller.
This is their rotation:
PG Kawamura 5'8 - Togashi 5'6
SG Hiejima 6'3 - Tominaga 6'2 - Hara 6'2
SF Baba 6'5 - Yoshii 6'5 - Nishida 6'3
PF Watanabe 6'9 - Inoue 6'7
C Hawkinson 6'10 - Kawamata 6'8
This explains why their twin midgets as well as their shooters seemed comfortable doing their thing - you have a hardworking center in Hawkinson, you have an athletic utility four like Watanabe and an athletic wing like Baba.
It also helped that two of their opponents did not have any significant advantage over them.
Also, contrary to many says, Japan is not really that short as a team. Yes, Togashi (5'6) and Kawamura (5'8) are short but the rest are above 188cm (6'2) while 8 players are 190cm (6'3) or taller.
This is their rotation:
PG Kawamura 5'8 - Togashi 5'6
SG Hiejima 6'3 - Tominaga 6'2 - Hara 6'2
SF Baba 6'5 - Yoshii 6'5 - Nishida 6'3
PF Watanabe 6'9 - Inoue 6'7
C Hawkinson 6'10 - Kawamata 6'8
This explains why their twin midgets as well as their shooters seemed comfortable doing their thing - you have a hardworking center in Hawkinson, you have an athletic utility four like Watanabe and an athletic wing like Baba.
It also helped that two of their opponents did not have any significant advantage over them.
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Metta2
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I just realized that Gilas was only one of the two teams in the World Cup that sent a team having 5 players shorter than 190cm (6'3). The other team was Venezuela which fared worse (0-5, 30th place).
Also, contrary to many says, Japan is not really that short as a team. Yes, Togashi (5'6) and Kawamura (5'8) are short but the rest are above 188cm (6'2) while 8 players are 190cm (6'3) or taller.
This is their rotation:
PG Kawamura 5'8 - Togashi 5'6
SG Hiejima 6'3 - Tominaga 6'2 - Hara 6'2
SF Baba 6'5 - Yoshii 6'5 - Nishida 6'3
PF Watanabe 6'9 - Inoue 6'7
C Hawkinson 6'10 - Kawamata 6'8
This explains why their twins midgets and their shooters seems comfortable doing their thing - you have a hardworking center in Hawkinson, you have an athletic utility four like Watanabe and an athletic wing like Baba.
They have an identity. They all know their roles.
Like I always say...your team doesn't have to be the most athletic, but you have to be athletic enough. Doesn't have to be the tallest, but tall enough. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We'll never be the most in those things.
But try to be elite at something and make it your identity. In Japan's case, they went with shooting.
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IPC2
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They have an identity. They all know their roles.
Like I always say...your team doesn't have to be the most athletic, but you have to be athletic enough. Doesn't have to be the tallest, but tall enough. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We'll never be the most in those things.
But try to be elite at something and make it your identity. In Japan's case, they went with shooting.
In our case, we were 10th in defensive rating in the World Cup, mainly thanks to AJ Edu. I'm still of the opinion that we need to build on that and have that as our base. Still, having an identity on offense could work too.
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ja.he2
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They have an identity. They all know their roles.
Like I always say...your team doesn't have to be the most athletic, but you have to be athletic enough. Doesn't have to be the tallest, but tall enough. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We'll never be the most in those things.
But try to be elite at something and make it your identity. In Japan's case, they went with shooting.
We live and die with Clarkson last month. That's the problem - Chot really wanted Clarkson to be our offensive gameplan but he did not surround him with players that can compliment him.
Scottie over Newsome?
Pogoy over Oftana?
Perez over Parks?
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reamily2
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We live and die with Clarkson last month. That's the problem - Chot really wanted Clarkson to be our offensive gameplan but he did not surround him with players that can compliment him.
Scottie over Newsome?
Pogoy over Oftana?
Perez over Parks?
that wasn't tactical immaturity, it was a tactical..mistake..
Having 2 ball dominant players in a team(aren't bigs) where you need others to make touches is a mistake too imo..
imagine it isnt crazy that we only need tyler tio's and andrei caracut as 1 on our team.. heck you can just make clarkson and other guys bring the ball down
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reamily2
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I just realized that Gilas was only one of the two teams in the World Cup that sent a team having 5 players shorter than 190cm (6'3). The other team was Venezuela which fared worse (0-5, 30th place).
Also, contrary to many says, Japan is not really that short as a team. Yes, Togashi (5'6) and Kawamura (5'8) are short but the rest are above 188cm (6'2) while 8 players are 190cm (6'3) or taller.
This is their rotation:
PG Kawamura 5'8 - Togashi 5'6
SG Hiejima 6'3 - Tominaga 6'2 - Hara 6'2
SF Baba 6'5 - Yoshii 6'5 - Nishida 6'3
PF Watanabe 6'9 - Inoue 6'7
C Hawkinson 6'10 - Kawamata 6'8
This explains why their twin midgets as well as their shooters seemed comfortable doing their thing - you have a hardworking center in Hawkinson, you have an athletic utility four like Watanabe and an athletic wing like Baba.
It also helped that two of their opponents did not have any significant advantage over them.
Oh my our B league bolsttered lineup had ego issues...Our balance of capable bigs with ample shooting was negated big time because we optimize one guy who isnt really elite in things he do,, naging papogi tuloy laru natin..
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reamily2
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I just realized that Gilas was only one of the two teams in the World Cup that sent a team having 5 players shorter than 190cm (6'3). The other team was Venezuela which fared worse (0-5, 30th place).
Also, contrary to many says, Japan is not really that short as a team. Yes, Togashi (5'6) and Kawamura (5'8) are short but the rest are above 188cm (6'2) while 8 players are 190cm (6'3) or taller.
This is their rotation:
PG Kawamura 5'8 - Togashi 5'6
SG Hiejima 6'3 - Tominaga 6'2 - Hara 6'2
SF Baba 6'5 - Yoshii 6'5 - Nishida 6'3
PF Watanabe 6'9 - Inoue 6'7
C Hawkinson 6'10 - Kawamata 6'8
This explains why their twin midgets as well as their shooters seemed comfortable doing their thing - you have a hardworking center in Hawkinson, you have an athletic utility four like Watanabe and an athletic wing like Baba.
It also helped that two of their opponents did not have any significant advantage over them.
Oh my our B league bolsttered lineup had ego issues...Our balance of capable bigs with ample shooting was negated big time because we optimize one guy who isnt really elite in things he do,, naging papogi tuloy laru natin..
Japan has evolved, traditionally Japan has the orimos' kita's , kawamura type of shooting guards.. but do have kenichi sako and tabuse like point guards.. now they given license to their pg to shoot, we see a fusion of tabuse's game and orimo...they plug their hole in c with hawkinson(who I think isn't 6'10) and have a unicorn in Watanabe and orimo clones in tominaga and hiejima
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hmbopbaduwap2
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Oh my our B league bolsttered lineup had ego issues...Our balance of capable bigs with ample shooting was negated big time because we optimize one guy who isnt really elite in things he do,, naging papogi tuloy laru natin..
Japan has evolved, traditionally Japan has the orimos' kita's , kawamura type of shooting guards.. but do have kenichi sako and tabuse like point guards.. now they given license to their pg to shoot, we see a fusion of tabuse's game and orimo...they plug their hole in c with hawkinson(who I think isn't 6'10) and have a unicorn in Watanabe and orimo clones in tominaga and hiejima
Hawkinson I think at most is only 6'8, and I would love to see him play for Magnolia in the future Lol
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ja.he2
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that wasn't tactical immaturity, it was a tactical..mistake..
Having 2 ball dominant players in a team(aren't bigs) where you need others to make touches is a mistake too imo..
imagine it isnt crazy that we only need tyler tio's and andrei caracut as 1 on our team.. heck you can just make clarkson and other guys bring the ball down
"Having 2 ball dominant players in a team(aren't bigs) where you need others to make touches is a mistake too imo.."
- The moment Gilas picked Jordan Clarkson as our naturalized player, that makes CJ Perez redundant. Gilas should have scratched CJ out of the roster. You can have duplicates of shooters but volume scorers of JC, CJ and even Romeo-types? No.
Only JC, Edu, Dwight, Kiefer, Abando, and June Mar were rightfully included in the World Cup's Gilas team.
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ja.he2
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Oh my our B league bolsttered lineup had ego issues...Our balance of capable bigs with ample shooting was negated big time because we optimize one guy who isnt really elite in things he do,, naging papogi tuloy laru natin..
Japan has evolved, traditionally Japan has the orimos' kita's , kawamura type of shooting guards.. but do have kenichi sako and tabuse like point guards.. now they given license to their pg to shoot, we see a fusion of tabuse's game and orimo...they plug their hole in c with hawkinson(who I think isn't 6'10) and have a unicorn in Watanabe and orimo clones in tominaga and hiejima
First time to watch Japan-Venezuela, Japan was trailing for the most parts of the game. They were even down by 15 points with 8 minutes remaining in the game but Hiejima happened.
I also watched the Japan-Finland game. Finland led as high as 18 points in the third but Tominaga got hot toward the end of that quarter then Kawamura. Finland did not adjust in defense while they did not have any meaningful play towards the end of the game. The defense of Japan made it difficult for Finland to score.
Japanese players were not scared and have the swagger.
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reamily2
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"Having 2 ball dominant players in a team(aren't bigs) where you need others to make touches is a mistake too imo.."
- The moment Gilas picked Jordan Clarkson as our naturalized player, that makes CJ Perez redundant. Gilas should have scratched CJ out of the roster. You can have duplicates of shooters but volume scorers of JC, CJ and even Romeo-types? No.
Only JC, Edu, Dwight, Kiefer, Abando, and June Mar were rightfully included in the World Cup's Gilas team.
This core is bad.. believe me theywere deserving ly included but kiefers role is overrated (alas would be better) abando is a pressure move by the team,,
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ja.he2
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This core is bad.. believe me theywere deserving ly included but kiefers role is overrated (alas would be better) abando is a pressure move by the team,,
Well, Kiefer was rightfully included in the sense that nobody in the pool is an orchestrator/playmaker there but him. Abando can defend and can be better with few tweakings.
Note: my take is based on the pool last World Cup.
If I were to choose, I will only leave JC, AJ, Dwight and maybe June Mar. In my opinion, this should be our 12 last World Cup (excluded are those already injured and cannot play):
PG: Two from Bolick, RJ and SJ
SG: Three from JC, Parks, Newsome and Thirdy
SF: Dwight, Oftana, Tuffin
PF: Tamayo, Baltazar
C: AJ, June Mar
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ARMIR2
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The question is after insulting the overseas Pinoy players,why would they ask them to play instead of just PBA players,who they think are superior.Just cancel the whole 2024 seasons of PBA and concentrate on the Olympic Qualifiers,as they want no need for the BLegue and KBL guys and that includes Kouame.
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IPC2
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The question is after insulting the overseas Pinoy players,why would they ask them to play instead of just PBA players,who they think are superior.Just cancel the whole 2024 seasons of PBA and concentrate on the Olympic Qualifiers,as they want no need for the BLegue and KBL guys and that includes Kouame.
They're a bunch of morons if they drop AJ and Dwight. They're two of the most crucial eligibles for Gilas, and they play in Japan.
And the PBA guys, while good, are only good short-term. A good number of the best are 30 and above (Alas, Newsome, June Mar, Scottie, Castro, Terrence, Abueva). Once they age, the younger PBA guys aren't as good.
And if Brownlee gets suspended (I really hope not), who are they calling up if not Ange? 37yo Pringle? Mo Tautuaa?