Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

I think the Bigs in Major Tournament are already set in Kai and AJ. But we need a 3rd Big

Tamayo and Baltazar could be. But I want them to be more of a Combo Forward instead.

As for NP. I think we need a Tall Legit Wing SF that is a good shooter and shot creator. That can pass of course.

I don't know man, but i think we should see Baltazar in the PBA first before considering him for major tournaments. He might turn out to be just another Erram or Raymond Almazan or Troy Rosario. Theres a reason why he was cut from the BLeague

 

[IPC2]

Hater ? You realize I've contributed to the Gilas program more than anyone here , the Reyes's are good friends and I've continued to help and support both senior and youth teams. when did objective assessment to call out flaws become hate ? If it is we might as well all shut up and not complain about all the inefficiences and flaws of how our government operates.

now since this is the Asian games therad let me call out one specific flaw on how we do things.
- look at the young cadet team Japan entered that had training for moths in parallel with their World cup team, while we have a team half of ineligibles and an average age over 30 plus . GO figure which is better planning and management or are we all haters for calling out again again how bad the federation operates?

In Chot's own words we should be sending Cadets to games ( SEA and Asian)

Hopefully, we can be able to send younger players to the Asian Games and SEA Games in the future. But scheduling might be an issue.

For the 2025 SEA Games, schedule might be a bit of an issue, as it's on December 9-20. Our youngest players are either in Japan or in college. The UAAP season might have to start early, and there's a FIBA window to be crammed in there. Maybe get from the eliminated teams, and have older PBA players as support.

For 2026 Asiad, it's September 19 to October 4. UAAP season would have to move up by a week, which is fine, so we might be able to get some collegiate players. November 2026 WC window might be an issue, though, but hopefully the UAAP can be able to cram the schedule. Of course, PBA players as support.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Hopefully, we can be able to send younger players to the Asian Games and SEA Games in the future. But scheduling might be an issue.

For the 2025 SEA Games, schedule might be a bit of an issue, as it's on December 9-20. Our youngest players are either in Japan or in college. The UAAP season might have to start early, and there's a FIBA window to be crammed in there. Maybe get from the eliminated teams, and have older PBA players as support.

For 2026 Asiad, it's September 19 to October 4. UAAP season would have to move up by a week, which is fine, so we might be able to get some collegiate players. November 2026 WC window might be an issue, though, but hopefully the UAAP can be able to cram the schedule. Of course, PBA players as support.

Yeah, our basketball stakeholders really need to make some sacrifices to be able to accomplish certain goals for the betterment of Phi basketball. They neeed to adjust a little bit in their calendars to achieve it. Hindi kasi pwede yung basta na lang sabihin ng UAAP or NCAA na, "Conflict yung Asian Games sa collegiate basketball calendar so we can't lend any of our college players to Gilas in that tournament". If these collegiate leagues can adjust their calendars by postponing it a week 2 later to give way to the SEA Games or Asian Games, then why not make such sacrifice?

PBA made some sacrifice for our participation in the Asian Games by postponing the opening of the 2023-2024 PBA season. I would like to commend the PBA for that.

The PBA is doing its part (sacrifice), I think other stakeholders like the UAAP & NCAA should also do its part.

 

[C2Hamm2]

I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
Edu - 6'11 23 years old
Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
Philips - 6'8 20 years old

Imagine how young that frontcourt is.

Kainatics UNITE!

 

[DAdmiral2]

I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
Edu - 6'11 23 years old
Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
Philips - 6'8 20 years old

Imagine how young that frontcourt is.

Pipeline Recruitment and development is actually the proven blue print of how every successful federation has done things, it really is NO secret , no need to reinvent the wheel.

 

[System2]

Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.

Agree. His laterals and mobility are just notches above Junemar's. He can hard hedge against guards and still get back to his man in time. He does not need to do that drop defense that gives up pull ups. And he is switchable, thus disrupting the opponent's offensive flow. During these switches against guards, he keeps his hands up preventing shots, while keeping his center of gravity low to prevent blowbys. His post defense is also good. Unlike Japeth, the opponent's post players can body him up and he will still be effective in disrupting shots.

Looking back on how clumsy and awkward Ange was when he started playing for Ateneo, Tab has really trained and developed a modern bigman. Now if only Kai had even just 70 percent of his mobility and laterals..

 

[ja.he2]

Pipeline Recruitment and development is actually the proven blue print of how every successful federation has done things, it really is NO secret , no need to reinvent the wheel.

Outside Okongwu, the rest already have stints with Gilas in various tournaments.

Except Edu and Okongwu, the other two played or playing for a UAAP team.

​​​​​I believe that Kouame and Philips deserve to be locals for FIBA purposes - students and residents in the Philippines and products of Philippine basketball system.

If this happens, I will be more excited about the prospect of having Kouame-Edu-Okongwu-Philips frontcourt. That frontcourt quartet could be a rebounding machine.

 

[System2]

Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.

To be fair with Junemar, he is still the best postup big man of the country. He uses his heft well, has a soft touch and can do post fadeaways. His pick and roll defense has already improved to the point where he is playable at stretches, unlike the time when he would give up fouls to keep up with driving guards against his pick and roll defense. The continuous exposure this year to international basketball has truly helped. We can only imagine if he had this continuous exposure to international, especially when he was younger. Having to consistently guard small centers, imports with height restrictions and offenses that are iso-centric in the PBA contributed to his current state.

 

[C2Hamm2]

Outside Okongwu, the rest already have stints with Gilas in various tournaments.

Except Edu and Okongwu, the other two played or playing for a UAAP team.

​​​​​I believe that Kouame and Philips deserve to be locals for FIBA purposes - students and residents in the Philippines and products of Philippine basketball system.

If this happens, I will be more excited about the prospect of having Kouame-Edu-Okongwu-Philips frontcourt. That frontcourt quartet could be a rebounding machine.

how is phillips a product of PH basketball? he was already playing before he went there. Ange was a football player iirc who has potential to grow tall, hence ADMU gambled on him. dont know who got him. so ange, literally learned to play basketball in the Philippines. Phillips can fall under staying as local for x years already,

 

[ja.he2]

how is phillips a product of PH basketball? he was already playing before he went there. Ange was a football player iirc who has potential to grow tall, hence ADMU gambled on him. dont know who got him. so ange, literally learned to play basketball in the Philippines. Phillips can fall under staying as local for x years already,

"how is phillips a product of PH basketball?"

- He plays college basketball in the Philippines. That's part of his basketball heritage. He may have started playing basketball in the US but he came here in the Philippines and started training with DLSU at age 17. His whole college basketball career is in the Philippines. Isn't enough reason to consider him as a PH basketball product?
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[C2Hamm2]

"how is phillips a product of PH basketball?"

- He plays college basketball in the Philippines. That's part of his basketball heritage. He may have started playing basketball in the US but he came here in the Philippines and started training with DLSU at age 17. His whole college basketball career is in the Philippines. Isn't enough reason to consider him as a PH basketball product?
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i hope its enough for FIBA. i agree its part of his basketball heritage but personally, no. he has been in the Philippines for what, 3 years? so someone is a product of that countries program already in 3 years time?

if I was FIBA, id excempted him, but because there are other factors favoring him as well. not just because he has been playing ball for 3 years in 1 country.

 

[Rds2]

To be fair with Junemar, he is still the best postup big man of the country. He uses his heft well, has a soft touch and can do post fadeaways. His pick and roll defense has already improved to the point where he is playable at stretches, unlike the time when he would give up fouls to keep up with driving guards against his pick and roll defense. The continuous exposure this year to international basketball has truly helped. We can only imagine if he had this continuous exposure to international, especially when he was younger. Having to consistently guard small centers, imports with height restrictions and offenses that are iso-centric in the PBA contributed to his current state.

I was a big JF fan. I stopped watching the PBA after the influx of Filfors. You could see they were trying to do all they can so the homegrowns wouldnt be overwhelmed. Like allow more physicality to offset the Filfors advantage in athleticism. When I heard there was a 6’9-6’10 guy who was going to be drafted I got curious. When I heard this guy dominated Manila schools with his school I got more curious.

I started watching the PBA again because of Junemar. I thought hey this is a homegrown who could matchup with the Filfors.He did not start out with a bang partly from Ping accidentally hurting his badoodles or something. I got more excited when he performed well in the WC. The. in the season ending conf he came out faster and more explosive.

Then the next season started and I saw what SMB wanted from JF. That began the long fall of the guy. He became slower and slower. I think anybody who saw an SMB game particularly in the later years of their streak would see how slow the guy was. It boggles the mind how a 260 or 270 slow guy would play 40 minutes but have any foot speed to stop a Jayson Castro in the 4th qtr.

Basically the PBA adjusted so that JF would not be abused defensively. I had high hopes when Tab took over and mentioned he would feature him. In their training camp it eas mentioned he was losing weight. So I was still happy when he played a bit better defensively against NZ.

But Tabs stint was shortlived. JF came back to his PBA weight and was never asked to defend again in Fiba. It helped he developed a very strong one hander that was effective even against Oz. But that was the peak.

His weight and all the playing time came back to bite him. He had an on and off again leg fracture. Im not sure if it healed or they just made him drink pain killers. The guy broke his leg going for a fastbreak layup with nobody around him in practice.

He is in better condition now yes. But if you insist on playing him as a post presence he will need to be still heavy. At this weight he will not trust planting much force on the once injured leg. His laterals are doomed.

If JF were indeed decent defensively we wouldnt need Kouame to play much. Fact is JFs drop coverage can be abused in PNRs and it was abused a few times against Bahrain. Much as I am a fan of JF I have to admit that because of his injury I cant expect him to move his legs much on defense. Because of that I think JF at best should just be a supporting role moving forward. This is why we need a center at least of Kouames caliber as NP.

 

[ja.he2]

i hope its enough for FIBA. i agree its part of his basketball heritage but personally, no. he has been in the Philippines for what, 3 years? so someone is a product of that countries program already in 3 years time?

if I was FIBA, id excempted him, but because there are other factors favoring him as well. not just because he has been playing ball for 3 years in 1 country.

4 years to be exact. He arrived here in 2019. He has 3 seasons of eligibility remaining, including this season. His last year of UAAP eligibility will be on 2025 - 6 years when he first arrived in DLSU. That 6 years, 5 seasons of playing eligibility I am talking about are part of his formative years in basketball. I consider formative years of basketball into two segments - high school and college.

​​​​We think differently here - you think of the present while I think ahead of time.

 

[C2Hamm2]

4 years to be exact. He arrived here in 2019. He has 3 seasons of eligibility remaining, including this season. His last year of UAAP eligibility will be on 2025 - 6 years when he first arrived in DLSU. That 6 years, 5 seasons of playing eligibility I am talking about are part of his formative years in basketball. I consider formative years of basketball into two segments - high school and college.

​​​​We think differently here - you think of the present while I think ahead of time.

brothers arrive last quarter of 2019. mag 4 years plang. based on the topic, im thinking as if im FIBA and im not Filipino. we are seeking exemption, means we are at the mercy of the secgen. doesnt matter if we tick all the boxes. if he doenst want to, then we dont get the green light. so the best we can do, is give a compelling case. thats it. not you, but i see a lot of people in socmed saying as long as someone stays in the RP for 5 years ok na. or if they study in the Philippines and get drafted in the PBA, we can get exemption. there are 2 problems there 1) if consistently thats how to get a player who failed to get a passport prior to 16th year bday, that will make the passport rule next to useless. obviously FIBA will not allow that 2) having this mindset makes developing local players not a priority. why should we? we can excempt filfors?
so yes, i think ahead of time. ano ka ba, i've been talking with you guys for years

 

[DAdmiral2]

OT question for the legal people here , what is the naturalization process for Tyler Tio went through and how is it different from Brownlee ?

is it also via congress also ?​

 

[zuma1692]

I am sorry but I am just disappointed that literally no one is mentioning our own professional league as part of the overall Gilas program.. what I mean by this is yes the PBA has major flaws in its system that needs to be addressed badly.. so we need to find ways for these flaws to be addressed by the PBA.. alam ninyo, the PBA is an established league recognized by a lot of international folks and FIBA.. kapag nakita na most of our Gilas players are from foreign leagues because of foreign recruitment and development, sinasabi ko sa inyo, FIBA will raise eyebrows because you have a 45+ year old league and yet halos walang players for the national team.. dba you guys preach local development as part of FIBA's vision?

that is why we need to take steps to have progressive changes in the PBA.. parang galit na galit kayo kina MArcial, Chua, Vargas, etc... I am telling you, the PBAs purpose is to PROFIT (obvious naman to all leagues around the world) and to give JOBS to Filipinos... not just for basketball players but all staff and personel running the basketball organization.. yes philippine basektball development can be a purpose as well.. that is why that should also be a part of our ranting and planning here.. isama naman PBA because quite frankly that is where the bulk of are resources are..

Japan's national team are mostly from their B.League because yes the b league is a very progressive league.. but remember, that league has numerous tumultuous times and dba they were also suspended by FIBA? they just got their acts together and formed the b. league and it has been a success.. the way I see it, hindi naman sila umaasa kina Watanabe, Hachimura, Baba.. that is what the PBA should be.. we are not there yet but we need to act and find ways for the PBA to be like that... and let's face it, we are really a poor country.. malaking bagay yan..

and let us not belittle the capabilities of the UAAP/NCAA, dba parati sinasabi dito that Tab and the 2021 Gilas version composed of collegiate standouts did well against serbia, korea, etc... bakit kaya? just because of Tab? yes Tab is insturmental.. but as a Maestro if the musicians and instruments are not in tune, balewala din un dba? that is because of the Talent he has.. and where did they come from? the collegiate leagues.. ako nga at times I really do think UAAP/NCAA is better than the PBA.. kasi for me the pressure to win it all is greater in the collegiate ranks than in the PBA... that is also an integral part in development, more than the skills, is to perform in the biggest stages, in the brightest of lights..

 

[ja.he2]

brothers arrive last quarter of 2019. mag 4 years plang. based on the topic, im thinking as if im FIBA and im not Filipino. we are seeking exemption, means we are at the mercy of the secgen. doesnt matter if we tick all the boxes. if he doenst want to, then we dont get the green light. so the best we can do, is give a compelling case. thats it. not you, but i see a lot of people in socmed saying as long as someone stays in the RP for 5 years ok na. or if they study in the Philippines and get drafted in the PBA, we can get exemption. there are 2 problems there 1) if consistently thats how to get a player who failed to get a passport prior to 16th year bday, that will make the passport rule next to useless. obviously FIBA will not allow that 2) having this mindset makes developing local players not a priority. why should we? we can excempt filfors?
so yes, i think ahead of time. ano ka ba, i've been talking with you guys for years

​"mag 4 years plang. based on the topic, im thinking as if im FIBA and im not Filipino."

- that's why asking FIBA for an exemption NOW will be kinda st*p*d on the part of SBP. as you said, give them a compelling reason but how? let him exhaust all his eligibility in DLSU to further develop his game. studying and residing here will surely give him lots of pogi points in the eyes of FIBA.

" if consistently thats how to get a player who failed to get a passport prior to 16th year bday, that will make the passport rule next to useless."

- ofcourse, FIBA will consider the age of the player when he first arrived in the country to reside and when did he get his passport. these are two reckoning points - remember Chris Newsome first arrived here at age 21 while Greg Slaughter at age 19.

"having this mindset makes developing local players not a priority."

- recruiting foreign-based players age 16-19. most of them are still raw. they have the potential but still raw. look at Ange Kouame - he first arrived here at age 18 and he was raw way back 2018 Jones Cup but the potential is already there. Ateneo did develop his game since then.

"i think ahead of time."

- it depends on your definition of "ahead of time". we may have differing views on that.

 

[hmbopbaduwap2]

OT question for the legal people here , what is the naturalization process for Tyler Tio went through and how is it different from Brownlee ?

is it also via congress also ?​

https://interaksyon.philstar.com/sp...-ateneo-after-acquiring-filipino-citizenship/

 

[ja.he2]

OT question for the legal people here , what is the naturalization process for Tyler Tio went through and how is it different from Brownlee ?

is it also via congress also ?​

I believe that he is covered by the Citizenship Retention and Reacquisition Act. When his parents reacquired Filipino citizenship, he was also included to that coverage. Therefore, no need for him to go to the court. He does not even need to undergo to the naturalization process.

 

[IPC2]

To be fair with Junemar, he is still the best postup big man of the country. He uses his heft well, has a soft touch and can do post fadeaways. His pick and roll defense has already improved to the point where he is playable at stretches, unlike the time when he would give up fouls to keep up with driving guards against his pick and roll defense. The continuous exposure this year to international basketball has truly helped. We can only imagine if he had this continuous exposure to international, especially when he was younger. Having to consistently guard small centers, imports with height restrictions and offenses that are iso-centric in the PBA contributed to his current state.

Small centers who either aren't a consistent threat in the perimeter or not threats in the PnR. Honestly, the PBA really needs to add full-time imports.