Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[r1ck2]

With all the talk about the SBP sending the SMC all stars plus reinforcements to the Asian Games Im pretty confident a team consisting of non PBA players can smoke that team provided it would be locals only.

Non PBA Team:
POINT GUARDS: Bolick, Abarrientos, JGDL
SHOOTING GUARDS: Wright, Abando, Heading
SMALL FORWARDS: Ramos, Parks, Adams
POWER FORWARDS: Tamayo, Baltazar, Amos
CENTERS: Sotto, Edu

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

if we are just throwing names in, remove Tamayo and put Ron Harper Jr. an inch shorter than Carl but is better in almost every basketball skill plus a bigger body as well.
i'd also remove Abando and put Ange. Barefield and Williams can hold the playmaking by themselves and Clarkson can help IF needed. and lastly, swap Parks with Holt.
yan, plus 4 solid weeks of training together should be enough to have them play both iso and set plays. it'll be hard for other Asian countries to match up. i dont like our 3pt shooting but i like our chances of getting Clarkson free, who should make most of open looks we give him beyond the arc.i left Fajardo in because he should be able to get mismatches underneath due to the heavy guard play we should be doing with this line up.

Man, i can't wait for Stephen Holt to dominate the PBA then bounce after his rookie contract ends (or get bought out) to join Bolick & co. in the BLeague lol. His floor is Chris Lutz, ceiling is a more ball-dominant Dwight Ramos.

Assuming this is the team for the future, i removed junemar and slid in Nate Pierre Louis.

PG: Sedrick Barefield, Mikey Williams, Nate Pierre Louis
SG: Jalen Green, Dwight Ramos
SF: Jordan Clarkson, Stephen Holt​, Justin Brownlee
PF: AJ Edu, Ron Harper Jr.
C: Kai Sotto, Ange Kouame​

(Every Fil-fors above considered as local, JB as naturalized OR hire a younger NBA-caliber NP)

Now, in a World Cup setting, plus a sane and reputable coaching staff, can this type of lineup crack the top 16 at least?

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

With all the talk about the SBP sending the SMC all stars plus reinforcements to the Asian Games Im pretty confident a team consisting of non PBA players can smoke that team provided it would be locals only.

Non PBA Team:
POINT GUARDS: Bolick, Abarrientos, JGDL
SHOOTING GUARDS: Wright, Abando, Heading
SMALL FORWARDS: Ramos, Parks, Adams
POWER FORWARDS: Tamayo, Baltazar, Amos
CENTERS: Sotto, Edu

SBP was kind enough to give SMC All Stars their last hurrah with Gilas. SBP needs some rest too after hosting. Pretty sure their resources are depleted after WC. And Asian Games have no bearing, so let the old guys play.

Anyway, we should expect THAT kind of lineup come FIBA Asia Cup 2025, although I'll put Dave Ildefonso in Adams' spot.

 

[IPC2]

With all the talk about the SBP sending the SMC all stars plus reinforcements to the Asian Games Im pretty confident a team consisting of non PBA players can smoke that team provided it would be locals only.

Non PBA Team:
POINT GUARDS: Bolick, Abarrientos, JGDL
SHOOTING GUARDS: Wright, Abando, Heading
SMALL FORWARDS: Ramos, Parks, Adams
POWER FORWARDS: Tamayo, Baltazar, Amos
CENTERS: Sotto, Edu

SBP was kind enough to give SMC All Stars their last hurrah with Gilas. SBP needs some rest too after hosting. Pretty sure their resources are depleted after WC. And Asian Games have no bearing, so let the old guys play.
Anyway, we should expect THAT kind of lineup come FIBA Asia Cup 2025, although I'll put Dave Ildefonso in Adams' spot.

Francis Lopez, Mark Belmonte, Jared Bahay, Caelum Harris, Luis Pablo, Seven Gagate, and Alex Konov are in the pipeline too.

 

[zuma1692]

just a quick one, since Qatar will host the FIBA World Cup in 2027, does that mean they will have direct automatic qualification? they are ranked even lower than indonesia.. I would assume they are not automatically qualified..

 

[C2Hamm2]

just a quick one, since Qatar will host the FIBA World Cup in 2027, does that mean they will have direct automatic qualification? they are ranked even lower than indonesia.. I would assume they are not automatically qualified..

but there are no co-host. its just Qatar. outside of Indonesia, in a year where there are 3 hosts, all hosts are automatically qualified.

 

[Stevy2]

just a quick one, since Qatar will host the FIBA World Cup in 2027, does that mean they will have direct automatic qualification? they are ranked even lower than indonesia.. I would assume they are not automatically qualified..

AFAIK, they are qualified. Qatar is the sole host, and unlike Indonesia, they have a history of success in the Asian region, especially during 2001–2005, when they were a legit Top 5 team in Asia. If we are also using the standards that were set by FIBA for Indonesia, which is a top 8 Asian team, they were in the quarterfinals seven times out of the past 10 Asia Cups.​

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

but there are no co-host. its just Qatar. outside of Indonesia, in a year where there are 3 hosts, all hosts are automatically qualified.

in spirit of fairness to Indonesia, i hope FIBA gives Qatar a requisite to enter QF in Asia Cup first before directly qualifying for the World Cup.

it would have been disastrous for Indonesian fans to see their national team get clobbered by 40-70 points in the previously concluded 2023 World Cup.

Same goes with Qatar. They at least have to give indicators that the margin against World Cup teams they'll face will be less than 20-30 points per game.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

AFAIK, they are qualified. Qatar is the sole host, and unlike Indonesia, they have a history of success in the Asian region, especially during 2001–2005, when they were a legit Top 5 team in Asia. If we are also using the standards that were set by FIBA for Indonesia, which is a top 8 Asian team, they were in the quarterfinals seven times out of the past 10 Asia Cups.​

if that's the case, Qatar with all the middle eastern money, should hire a naturalized NBA players (pool) as early as now for the ff reasons:

(1) to sell tickets
(2) long preparation time
(3) have a face of the Qatari National Basketball Team

 

[JAMSKIE2]

With all the talk about the SBP sending the SMC all stars plus reinforcements to the Asian Games Im pretty confident a team consisting of non PBA players can smoke that team provided it would be locals only.

Non PBA Team:
POINT GUARDS: Bolick, Abarrientos, JGDL
SHOOTING GUARDS: Wright, Abando, Heading
SMALL FORWARDS: Ramos, Parks, Adams
POWER FORWARDS: Tamayo, Baltazar, Amos
CENTERS: Sotto, Edu

Hahaha! This is basically coach Tab's team in 2020 to 2021.

 

[CoJ2]

if that's the case, Qatar with all the middle eastern money, should hire a naturalized NBA players (pool) as early as now for the ff reasons:

(1) to sell tickets
(2) long preparation time
(3) have a face of the Qatari National Basketball Team

they could also grant passports to U16 prospects, time for them to raid the aau and euro youth systems for talent

 

[Stevy2]

if that's the case, Qatar with all the middle eastern money, should hire a naturalized NBA players (pool) as early as now for the ff reasons:

(1) to sell tickets
(2) long preparation time
(3) have a face of the Qatari National Basketball Team

Agree. With their budget, I reckon they can afford the most expensive mercenary available (a fringe NBA all-star). I don't think money will be a huge enticement to top-tier NBA talent unless your name is James Harden (you can offer him all the ladies he wants).

On a serious note, I could see them getting a Blatche-level player at least as a floor, and to be competitive, they need to surround that player with competitive locals that know their roles. I haven't really followed them that much lately; the only thing I know is that they sent a relatively young roster during the Asia Cup qualifiers that went winless or won only a game or two (I think under 25), so I don't know if they have any good potential World Cup-level youth players, but they have 4 years to create a program that could do just that.​

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Agree. With their budget, I reckon they can afford the most expensive mercenary available (a fringe NBA all-star). I don't think money will be a huge enticement to top-tier NBA talent unless your name is James Harden (you can offer him all the ladies he wants).

On a serious note, I could see them getting a Blatche-level player at least as a floor, and to be competitive, they need to surround that player with competitive locals that know their roles. I haven't really followed them that much lately; the only thing I know is that they sent a relatively young roster during the Asia Cup qualifiers that went winless or won only a game or two (I think under 25), so I don't know if they have any good potential World Cup-level youth players, but they have 4 years to create a program that could do just that.​

2014 Blatche was different. Never felt nervous when the ball was with him. It was either a bucket, a dime or a trip to the line. He just played in the wrong era. Would have been perfect for todays NBA.

 

[C2Hamm2]

in spirit of fairness to Indonesia, i hope FIBA gives Qatar a requisite to enter QF in Asia Cup first before directly qualifying for the World Cup.

it would have been disastrous for Indonesian fans to see their national team get clobbered by 40-70 points in the previously concluded 2023 World Cup.

Same goes with Qatar. They at least have to give indicators that the margin against World Cup teams they'll face will be less than 20-30 points per game.

They have thought about this. There has been 3 hosts that went winless in fiba history. Thats FIBAs problem and its not new.

 

[Rds2]

2014 Blatche was different. Never felt nervous when the ball was with him. It was either a bucket, a dime or a trip to the line. He just played in the wrong era. Would have been perfect for todays NBA.

I think Blatche is somewhat a combination of Jokics body type and laterals and a bit of rebounding in an NBA PF position and Lamar Odoms handles with a bit better shooting I guess.

Just like Jokic, Blatche’s body type is not optimal for NBA modern defense. He is not NBA level in switches and an NBA level rim protector. He also likes the ball in his hands ala Jokic but not as efficient on offense and is not the silent hardworking type the NBA market likes.

In short he is not an ideal NBA big. His bigges skillset, handles, is not something they really want for NBA bigs well unless you are at the level of Giannis or Embiid which Blatche was not.

Bit in Fiba, the guy is perfect. Arguably he is better even than Jokic in Fiba because he is quicker both on offense and defense while having the burly body that is effective for bigs in Fiba. On defense, the Fiba rules favor him just like the other “slow” NBA bigs, such that he is a net positive defender at the rim, on switches and even on rebounds.

Chot was extremely lucky that for some reason McGee was not availble. With McGee our headless chicken basketball would also be brainless basketball. I dont think we will see a Fiba player at the level of Blatche again. In, the NBA you are either an oversized SF who is too weak in Fiba or a screen setter and rebounder with limited range and offensive skillset beyond screens and passes. Neither the NBA nor other leagues will produce Blatches level of height, strength, above average Fiba level ahleticism, handles, vision and scoring.

 

[CoJ2]

2014 Blatche was different. Never felt nervous when the ball was with him. It was either a bucket, a dime or a trip to the line. He just played in the wrong era. Would have been perfect for todays NBA.

Imagine if Javale never got injured, I doubt he'll make the same impact that Blatche had for Gilas. A overweight Blatche is still decent in 2019. If only he took care of his weight he would have been a good option as NP this 2023 considering that he, JB and JC are on the same age-group

 

[IPC2]

we all know naman this asian games is not a start of some developmental program.. we just had to form the best team for the tournament hoping to win Gold..

my expectation is that we will see some form of program come 2024 FIBA OQT.. now if NOT, then we should set-up picket lines outside the SBP office and protest the hell out of them..

Asiad is being used by the SBP as damage control, I hope that during the windows, we start the rebuild process, cant rely on this 30+ stars for the next FIBA cycle

And of those 30+ stars, I think only June Mar is really irreplaceable, maybe Terrence.​ The other PBA irreplaceables are Malonzo and Navarro as 6'5"+ wings, and they're 27 and 26 respectively. Navarro's our best man-to-man defender at the 3 spot after Dwight.

After the Asian Games, time for SBP to lay down a real long-term program leading up to the 2027 WC, and hopefully develop our first FIBA-eligible player in the Euroleague and/or the NBA or the G-League.

 

[Rodbi2]

And of those 30+ stars, I think only June Mar is really irreplaceable, maybe Terrence.​ The other PBA irreplaceables are Malonzo and Navarro as 6'5"+ wings, and they're 27 and 26 respectively. Navarro's our best man-to-man defender at the 3 spot after Dwight.

After the Asian Games, time for SBP to lay down a real long-term program leading up to the 2027 WC, and hopefully develop our first FIBA-eligible player in the Euroleague and/or the NBA or the G-League.

Lest we forget bro, JMF needs to be paired with a 4 like Edu or Japhet, or any other similarly leveled PF that the Phil basketball ecosystem can churn out, for Gilas to fully maximize his offensive capability. I think that without any of the 2 fours I mentioned, JMF will be a bust.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

November is the start of FIBA asia cup 2025 qualifier, ano kaya niluluto ng SBP dapat this ASIAN games palang talaga may vision na sila, start na pool participating players upto OQT then beyond.

We are talking about the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers & yet we aren't even sure if the PBA Gilas players would be available for the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup per se. Remember what happened in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup? Gilas played in that tournament with only our B-league & KBL boys composing the team while our PBA Gilas players weren't available as the PBA season was ongoing at that time & our beloved PBA didn't bother to take a break to make its players available for Gilas.

But maybe things would be different in 2025 as SMC is now the main backer of Gilas.​

 

[sroth38392]

We are talking about the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers & yet we aren't even sure if the PBA Gilas players would be available for the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup per se. Remember what happened in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup? Gilas played in that tournament with only our B-league & KBL boys composing the team while our PBA Gilas players weren't available as the PBA season was ongoing at that time & our beloved PBA didn't bother to take a break to make its players available for Gilas.

But maybe things would be different in 2025 as SMC is now the main backer of Gilas.​

I’ll be damned if we still don’t have a HC by year end. Loool