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shootingbwakaw2
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it's not beyond them to do so as they've already done it before. it backfired the last time though.
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it's not beyond them to do so as they've already done it before. it backfired the last time though.
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Kaireem2
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seriously what's wrong with a filipino coach?
is it really the coach or is it more the quality of the players?
using the foreign coach argument then we should just hire coach malone, steve kerr, mike b, frank vogel and nick nurse - basically the last 5 nba champion coaches and then our problems are solved right?
and besides outside of ron jacobs, cone and norman black there was no other foreigner who had success in the pba - from bill bayno to mark dickel
why are we so fixated with foreign coaches again? why not just allow us to develop our own local style of play as opposed to adopting styles that we can't play effectively due to physical limitations?
is it really the coach or is it more the quality of the players?
using the foreign coach argument then we should just hire coach malone, steve kerr, mike b, frank vogel and nick nurse - basically the last 5 nba champion coaches and then our problems are solved right?
and besides outside of ron jacobs, cone and norman black there was no other foreigner who had success in the pba - from bill bayno to mark dickel
why are we so fixated with foreign coaches again? why not just allow us to develop our own local style of play as opposed to adopting styles that we can't play effectively due to physical limitations?
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hmbopbaduwap2
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Ariel Vanguardia - Mike Taylor, Will Voigt , Sergio Hernandez are all in Manila now
Resumes:
MIKE TAYLOR
Previously, he was head coach of the Poland national team, which he led to the Round of 16 at the 2015 EuroBasket and the quarter-finals of the 2019 FIBA World Cup.
Career History:
As coach:
1995–1997 Clarion (GA)
1997–2000 Indiana (PA) (assistant)
2000–2001 Pittsburg State (assistant)
2001–2002 BV Chemnitz 99
2002 Dodge City Legend
2002–2003 Essex Leopards
2003–2011 Ratiopharm Ulm
2004, 2005 Kansas Cagerz
2011–2012 Rio Grande Valley Vipers (assistant)
2012–2014 Maine Red Claws
2014–2021 Poland
2018–2020 Hamburg Towers
2022 Fraser Valley Bandits
2022–present Winnipeg Sea Bears
WILL VOIGT
An American basketball coach who is currently serving as head coach of the Austin Spurs in the NBA G League. As the head coach, he led the Nigerian team to its first ever AfroBasket title in 2015, where they defeated Angola in the finals to qualify for the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio.
1998–1999 Los Angeles Clippers (intern)
1999–2001 San Antonio Spurs (video coord.)
2001–2002 Texas (assistant)
2002–2003 Metro State (assistant)
2003–2006 Ulriken Elite
2006–2009 Vermont Frost Heaves
2009–2014 Bakersfield Jam
2014–2015 Shanxi Brave Dragons (assistant)
2020 Telekom Baskets Bonn
2021 Telekom Baskets Bonn
2022 Zamalek
2023–present Austin Spurs
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SERGIO HERNANDEZ
is an Argentine professional basketball coach for Leones de Ponce of the Baloncesto Superior Nacional (BSN).
1992–1995 Sport Club Ca
Will Voigt work with Charles Tiu as Mighty Sports assistant coach when they won the Dubai Cup a few years ago
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...ted-in-gilas-pilipinas-position-a795-20200425
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greenarcher2
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seriously what's wrong with a filipino coach?
is it really the coach or is it more the quality of the players?
using the foreign coach argument then we should just hire coach malone, steve kerr, mike b, frank vogel and nick nurse - basically the last 5 nba champion coaches and then our problems are solved right?
and besides outside of ron jacobs, cone and norman black there was no other foreigner who had success in the pba - from bill bayno to mark dickel
why are we so fixated with foreign coaches again? why not just allow us to develop our own local style of play as opposed to adopting styles that we can't play effectively due to physical limitations?
Pinoy coaches only go up against fellow Pinoy coaches. You will never learn what else is out there in the world when you only fight with people like you. You live in a country of keypad phones in a world of touchscreen phones. You will never know the new technologies/techniques if you are stuck with what you have.
Even for foreign-mentored ones like Charles Tiu, how long since he was last guided by a foreign coach? It's been ages.
If Japan, Indonesia, and a whole lot more countries (Canada has a Spanish coach) stuck to their own because of physical limitations, they would still be nowhere until now.
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ja.he2
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seriously what's wrong with a filipino coach?
is it really the coach or is it more the quality of the players?
using the foreign coach argument then we should just hire coach malone, steve kerr, mike b, frank vogel and nick nurse - basically the last 5 nba champion coaches and then our problems are solved right?
and besides outside of ron jacobs, cone and norman black there was no other foreigner who had success in the pba - from bill bayno to mark dickel
why are we so fixated with foreign coaches again? why not just allow us to develop our own local style of play as opposed to adopting styles that we can't play effectively due to physical limitations?
Is the PBA really the measuring stick of success? Besides, Bill Bayno was able to coach in the PBA for just one conference as BCAP protested against him. Mark Dickel, Rajko Toroman and Todd Purves were just active consultants, not head coaches.
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C2Hamm2
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seriously what's wrong with a filipino coach?
is it really the coach or is it more the quality of the players?
using the foreign coach argument then we should just hire coach malone, steve kerr, mike b, frank vogel and nick nurse - basically the last 5 nba champion coaches and then our problems are solved right?
and besides outside of ron jacobs, cone and norman black there was no other foreigner who had success in the pba - from bill bayno to mark dickel
why are we so fixated with foreign coaches again? why not just allow us to develop our own local style of play as opposed to adopting styles that we can't play effectively due to physical limitations?
Its not the foreign coach. Most fans are just saying that because they want gilas team to execute euro style set plays. Or at the very least, less iso plays, less dribble, and more made 3s. Im confident if sbp says they are giving coach ayo or coach charles the keys for till 2027 wc and PBA wont draft whoever player they pick that isnt in the pba, a lot would hold their opinion about foreign coaches unless either coach or sbp says something that ignite hatred again.
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shootingbwakaw2
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What's wrong with a Filipino coach? A Filipino coach will be coming from the same system that, for the meantime is problematic for us on the world stage. It's basically streetball. Iso-showboating, my-turn your turn, that's how our game has always been played. From the streets, to elementary and high school courts, all the way up to the PBA. How may teams/players innately pass rather than do a Kobe (Bryant) against 3-4 defenders? If you're a shooter, you're just some boring shooter. If you make the crazy spectacular plays, you're the man.
Filipino coaches, born, raised and bred in this system perpetuate it. We see that everyday on the courts & on TV. Until we are weaned from this streetball, my-turn, your-turn system, a Filo coach will always have difficulty beating teams with established systems. Unless we produce super players like JC, but 1 vs 5 is always disadvantaged in a team game. We can learn. And some of the younger coaches are already coming to this realization. The older Yeng Guiao, one time BCAP president and fiercely in opposition to foreign coaches already admitted this grudgingly, "napag-iwanan na tayo."
Why a foreign coach? Because they've had more success the past 50 years or so. Is it only because they're foreign? Of course not. Get the best man for the job that we can afford, if we're willing to spend. Countries with strong basketball programs, effective systems as evidenced by international success have useful knowledge. Why not leverage their knowledge when evidently, we're not getting the success we want on our own? Our educational system was Spanish, then American, but now we're training our own. Get the best person for the job, regardless of race.
Filipino coaches, born, raised and bred in this system perpetuate it. We see that everyday on the courts & on TV. Until we are weaned from this streetball, my-turn, your-turn system, a Filo coach will always have difficulty beating teams with established systems. Unless we produce super players like JC, but 1 vs 5 is always disadvantaged in a team game. We can learn. And some of the younger coaches are already coming to this realization. The older Yeng Guiao, one time BCAP president and fiercely in opposition to foreign coaches already admitted this grudgingly, "napag-iwanan na tayo."
Why a foreign coach? Because they've had more success the past 50 years or so. Is it only because they're foreign? Of course not. Get the best man for the job that we can afford, if we're willing to spend. Countries with strong basketball programs, effective systems as evidenced by international success have useful knowledge. Why not leverage their knowledge when evidently, we're not getting the success we want on our own? Our educational system was Spanish, then American, but now we're training our own. Get the best person for the job, regardless of race.
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CoJ2
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Lack of exposure of Filipino coaches in the FIBA game, plus our ISO centric style only works for one country, the United States, to a lesser extent, Latin American teams, but based on the recent World Cup, none of them made it to the KO stages,
for now local coaches should apprentice/train with a high caliber foreign coach simmilar to what Coach did for Ron Jacobs. Foregin coach should also focus on training the next gen of loacl coaches, and we have great young bright minds, all they need is training and exposure. Unfortunately BCAP is blined by their own sh*t
edit: there's a reason why PBA teams were trashed in the EASL and the recent Jones Cup
for now local coaches should apprentice/train with a high caliber foreign coach simmilar to what Coach did for Ron Jacobs. Foregin coach should also focus on training the next gen of loacl coaches, and we have great young bright minds, all they need is training and exposure. Unfortunately BCAP is blined by their own sh*t
edit: there's a reason why PBA teams were trashed in the EASL and the recent Jones Cup
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Rds2
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Is the PBA really the measuring stick of success? Besides, Bill Bayno was able to coach in the PBA for just one conference as BCAP protested against him. Mark Dickel, Rajko Toroman and Todd Purves were just active consultants, not head coaches.
Purves was almost the head coach in practice when he became consultant for SMB in the AFC. Then Coach Gee then said that they were implementing Purves' flex system. The next conf he was effectively the head coach but got replaced midway. IRC Purves was more of a scout? I don't think he was good. If anything, using his system was a convenient excuse to sabotage Coach Gee. What head coach will do well given a mandate to use another system? Which was probably brought about by the gripes of RSA favorite Arwind.
What I remember from Dickel was he was able to maximize Don Trollano. In his term, Don posting up smaller guards was a feature of their offense. He was forced to trade Trollano since the management wanted Parks. I don't remember much of his stint with Parks.
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Kaireem2
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Pinoy coaches only go up against fellow Pinoy coaches. You will never learn what else is out there in the world when you only fight with people like you. You live in a country of keypad phones in a world of touchscreen phones. You will never know the new technologies/techniques if you are stuck with what you have.
Even for foreign-mentored ones like Charles Tiu, how long since he was last guided by a foreign coach? It's been ages.
If Japan, Indonesia, and a whole lot more countries (Canada has a Spanish coach) stuck to their own because of physical limitations, they would still be nowhere until now.
so the coach is the solution? never mind if we don't have quality players? if it were a foreign coach at the helm of the 2023 wc team would you consider close games vs italy, angola and dr + the win vs china a success or at least a decent showing?
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Kaireem2
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What's wrong with a Filipino coach? A Filipino coach will be coming from the same system that, for the meantime is problematic for us on the world stage. It's basically streetball. Iso-showboating, my-turn your turn, that's how our game has always been played. From the streets, to elementary and high school courts, all the way up to the PBA. How may teams/players innately pass rather than do a Kobe (Bryant) against 3-4 defenders? If you're a shooter, you're just some boring shooter. If you make the crazy spectacular plays, you're the man.
Filipino coaches, born, raised and bred in this system perpetuate it. We see that everyday on the courts & on TV. Until we are weaned from this streetball, my-turn, your-turn system, a Filo coach will always have difficulty beating teams with established systems. Unless we produce super players like JC, but 1 vs 5 is always disadvantaged in a team game. We can learn. And some of the younger coaches are already coming to this realization. The older Yeng Guiao, one time BCAP president and fiercely in opposition to foreign coaches already admitted this grudgingly, "napag-iwanan na tayo."
Why a foreign coach? Because they've had more success the past 50 years or so. Is it only because they're foreign? Of course not. Get the best man for the job that we can afford, if we're willing to spend. Countries with strong basketball programs, effective systems as evidenced by international success have useful knowledge. Why not leverage their knowledge when evidently, we're not getting the success we want on our own? Our educational system was Spanish, then American, but now we're training our own. Get the best person for the job, regardless of race.
which almost got us a win vs the dominican republic? i bet we would've won that game if clarkson didnt foul out.
last 5 champion coaches in the world cup were locals though - yugo for yugo in 2002, spanish for spain in 2006, american for usa in 2010 and 2014 and spanish again for spain in 2019
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Kaireem2
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Its not the foreign coach. Most fans are just saying that because they want gilas team to execute euro style set plays. Or at the very least, less iso plays, less dribble, and more made 3s. Im confident if sbp says they are giving coach ayo or coach charles the keys for till 2027 wc and PBA wont draft whoever player they pick that isnt in the pba, a lot would hold their opinion about foreign coaches unless either coach or sbp says something that ignite hatred again.
but our 2014 team didn't play euro ball? did they?
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C2Hamm2
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but our 2014 team didn't play euro ball? did they?
They played ddo with input from ctb. If fans where happy then e di good. If they are not happy now, what do you want them to do? Not speak? Gilas is the national basket all team of PH. So all bball fans will have a say. Wether we like or not.
you get to speak your mind. Thats good. They are speaking theirs. Also good. If they are difference in preference, thats expected.
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greenarcher2
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so the coach is the solution? never mind if we don't have quality players? if it were a foreign coach at the helm of the 2023 wc team would you consider close games vs italy, angola and dr + the win vs china a success or at least a decent showing?
Who ever said just the coach will solve our problem? Why can't it be foreign coach plus the best players? Why does it have to be 1 or the other?!
which almost got us a win vs the dominican republic? i bet we would've won that game if clarkson didnt foul out.
last 5 champion coaches in the world cup were locals though - yugo for yugo in 2002, spanish for spain in 2006, american for usa in 2010 and 2014 and spanish again for spain in 2019
This is why SBP can get away with their mediocrity. Some fans are satisfied with "almost".
Our style and our coaches are only good enough for "almost". Decades of almost and still you want the same thing? We will forver be the team of "What Ifs" and "Almost". If that's good enough for you, nothing we can do about it.
Japan tried something new, and it did wonders for them. If Tab did not get booted out in the middle of preparations and still failed to beat Angola and DR, then be my guest, let's bring back Choke Reyes.
but our 2014 team didn't play euro ball? did they?
The basketball IQ of 3 guys in that 2014 team is equivalent of what this 2023 has. Time to move on from 2013-2014 because we are still an "almost" team.
There's a reason why our top players this year all play/played abroad. Does that not show you that their basketball is on a different level? PBA players being shamed should be enough proof that it is on a different level than the rest of the world. EASL and Jones Cup not proof enough?
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IPC2
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Is the PBA really the measuring stick of success? Besides, Bill Bayno was able to coach in the PBA for just one conference as BCAP protested against him. Mark Dickel, Rajko Toroman and Todd Purves were just active consultants, not head coaches.
There's the EASL now, and the competition has improved, and the EASL last March just proved that.
Let's see if Ginebra and TNT succeed there after getting two imports. Let's see how they do in their groups.
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thatweirdguy2
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which almost got us a win vs the dominican republic? i bet we would've won that game if clarkson didnt foul out.
last 5 champion coaches in the world cup were locals though - yugo for yugo in 2002, spanish for spain in 2006, american for usa in 2010 and 2014 and spanish again for spain in 2019
That's the thing though. We were in the game because of Clarkson. We lived and die with JC. There's a possibility that we would have lost the China game too if Clarksoj didn't go off in the 3rd QTR.
I don't really care if it's a local or foreign coach so long as he's bringing international experience. I'm done with the usual "learning experience" alibi or YG's "everyone is getting better we need to catch up" every time he loses a game. Every GILAS fan has identified the problems for more than a decade now like lack of shooting, predictable plays, too much iso, terrible roster building, lack of prep time etc. Sing me a new tune please
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greenarcher2
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Our import is a 33MPG 21PPG NBA Guy and all we got were ALMOSTS. Imagine if we did not have JC to keep the games close...
Japan's import has never even stepped foot on the NBA Summer League but they are on their way to the Olympics.
Imagine what a legit coach with FIBA experience could have done to JC and the team. Why settle for ALMOSTS?
Japan's import has never even stepped foot on the NBA Summer League but they are on their way to the Olympics.
Imagine what a legit coach with FIBA experience could have done to JC and the team. Why settle for ALMOSTS?
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thatweirdguy2
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Is the PBA really the measuring stick of success? Besides, Bill Bayno was able to coach in the PBA for just one conference as BCAP protested against him. Mark Dickel, Rajko Toroman and Todd Purves were just active consultants, not head coaches.
Well how many PBA coaches are successful against the PBA? You hire a someone that's fit for the job. You want to win in the PBA , get a good PBA coach. Our most successful and probably most experienced PBA coach in international ball and I'm saying this with respect is Chot, and he never went far. If he cannot be counted upon to do much then I don't really have much faith in other PBA coaches with less or no experience
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BJ_Reloaded2
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That's the thing though. We were in the game because of Clarkson. We lived and die with JC. There's a possibility that we would have lost the China game too if Clarksoj didn't go off in the 3rd QTR.
I don't really care if it's a local or foreign coach so long as he's bringing international experience. I'm done with the usual "learning experience" alibi or YG's "everyone is getting better we need to catch up" every time he loses a game. Every GILAS fan has identified the problems for more than a decade now like lack of shooting, predictable plays, too much iso, terrible roster building, lack of prep time etc. Sing me a new tune please
Sir they've already know the root of the problem since the time of Adam it's just that theirs a certain sinister holding the stakeholders because coming from their misguided heart a Filipino is still best for the job considering he/she knows how to handle them because he/she knows all the traits and behavior of a Filipino.
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r1ck2
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but our 2014 team didn't play euro ball? did they?
Kindly explain why the filipino coached top teams in the PBA are getting trashed in the EASL and most recently the Jones Cup