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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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Kaireem said:
ahihihi show proof please stop hating

i know people from pldt and yes panlilio was asked to clean house so stop insinuating that this thing happened under his watch. you're just a hater who knows nothing and is doing anything to tarnish a well respected management professional.
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You can backread but here is the article again. On the stock price, you can easily look at PLDT's stock price historical...from a high of P37 in Dec 2021, it is now P20.5, almost a loss of 50%.....that's a fact....Panlileo provided a negative value to its shareholders

https://www.philstar.com/business/2022/12/23/2232636/pldts-budget-woes-may-weigh-credit-profile

Here is the link to PLDT's stock price

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/PHI...7InBlcmlvZCI6MSwiaW50ZXJ2YWwiOiJ3ZWVrIn19fV19
 
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FYI - PLDT's gross income growth as of end of 2022 is negative 29.32%...its pre-tax income growth is negative 52%, net income growth is negative 60% and net Earnings per share growth is also negative 60% at end of 2022......that's under Panlileo's management.

Prior to Panlileo's promotion to President, income growth and earning per share growth had always been positive
 
Marsh Mello said:
Be careful with your words. someone here might have aneurysm with your way of words. Panlilio is not a moron man, he must be a blameless guy /s hahaha
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Not my problem if he gets an aneurysm.

Facts don’t care about his feelings.
 
For me, these are the things we need to reform our basketball landscape:

a. Improve the level of play in our domestic leagues (PBA, MPBL, NCAA)

> For PBA, lift the height limit of imports and make it two of them per team;
> For NCAA and MPBL, allow foreign players to play in the league;
> For PBA and MPBL, remove the restrictions for Fil-Foreigners.

b . Lift the discriminating ban on foreign coaches in our leagues.

If we can't send our best players abroad to hone their skills, bring the quality in our country, in our leagues. We can make our basketball landscape better by liberalizing our protectionist policies. Let's make the qualifications in our league skills-based or credential-based, not nationality-based or birth right-based.

I know that it will never happen but I believe that this is the way.
 
sroth3839 said:
Panlilio is a moron. Confirmed.
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This doesn't make sense. Just say we've began discussions on our next move. GIve us time, expect an announcement shortly after the World Cup. The CEO of one of the biggest companies in the Philippines doesn't have the resources to handle the composition of the Asian Games team and handle the WC at the same time. I assume the logistics and stuff of the WC are already assigned. Don't tell me those involved in deciding the next move are also involved in the daily running of the WC? I don't think so.
 
well well looks like SBP's paid troll is silent again hehehe... Once legit articles that details PLDT's messy situation was posted he just clammed up...
 
That's why I believe Al Panlilio is even worse than Chot Reyes. At least si Chot may nagawa namang kabutihan sa Phi basketball especially with his success with Gilas in 2012 Jones Cup, 2013 Asian Championships & those "moral" victories in 2014 World Cup. The guy brought honor to Phi basketball maski papano.

On the other hand, what has Al Panlilio, in his capacity as SBP head, done for the sake of Phi basketball? All he did was blunder after another blunder!! Panlilio is extremely incompetent. Phi basketball would be better if he is out of the SBP.​
 
In filipino, Tinimbang sila ngunit kulang (na kulang) Trans: Weighed but found wanting more.
The filipino fans were pissed but they were still given a chance to prepare and build a fruitful world cup. We don't want moral victories, We hosted because we (and SBP likely believed themselves) knew we can at least compete and advance to the second round. that was the goal, even chot said that. now that they have failed, let's not move the goal post now and say they don't deserve the blame. We need a change of scenery and also a legit learning experience from this. The guy who says Gilas can't compete is simply not knowledgeable anyway, we can compete but we need a leadership that will steer the ships into a better direction.
 
Bonifacio said:
You can backread but here is the article again. On the stock price, you can easily look at PLDT's stock price historical...from a high of P37 in Dec 2021, it is now P20.5, almost a loss of 50%.....that's a fact....Panlileo provided a negative value to its shareholders

https://www.philstar.com/business/2022/12/23/2232636/pldts-budget-woes-may-weigh-credit-profile

Here is the link to PLDT's stock price

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/PHI?fr=sycsrp_catchall#eyJpbnRlcnZhbCI6IndlZWsiLCJ wZXJpb2RpY2l0eSI6MSwidGltZVVuaXQiOm51bGwsImNhbmRsZ VdpZHRoIjo0LjcwNDk4MDg0MjkxMTg3NywiZmxpcHBlZCI6ZmF sc2UsInZvbHVtZVVuZGVybGF5Ijp0cnVlLCJhZGoiOnRydWUsI mNyb3NzaGFpciI6dHJ1ZSwiY2hhcnRUeXBlIjoibGluZSIsImV 4dGVuZGVkIjpmYWxzZSwibWFya2V0U2Vzc2lvbnMiOnt9LCJhZ 2dyZWdhdGlvblR5cGUiOiJvaGxjIiwiY2hhcnRTY2FsZSI6Imx pbmVhciIsInN0dWRpZXMiOnsi4oCMdm9sIHVuZHLigIwiOnsid HlwZSI6InZvbCB1bmRyIiwiaW5wdXRzIjp7ImlkIjoi4oCMdm9 sIHVuZHLigIwiLCJkaXNwbGF5Ijoi4oCMdm9sIHVuZHLigIwif Swib3V0cHV0cyI6eyJVcCBWb2x1bWUiOiIjMDBiMDYxIiwiRG9 3biBWb2x1bWUiOiIjZmYzMzNhIn0sInBhbmVsIjoiY2hhcnQiL CJwYXJhbWV0ZXJzIjp7IndpZHRoRmFjdG9yIjowLjQ1LCJjaGF ydE5hbWUiOiJjaGFydCJ9fX0sInBhbmVscyI6eyJjaGFydCI6e yJwZXJjZW50IjoxLCJkaXNwbGF5IjoiUEhJIiwiY2hhcnROYW1 lIjoiY2hhcnQiLCJpbmRleCI6MCwieUF4aXMiOnsibmFtZSI6I mNoYXJ0IiwicG9zaXRpb24iOm51bGx9LCJ5YXhpc0xIUyI6W10 sInlheGlzUkhTIjpbImNoYXJ0Iiwi4oCMdm9sIHVuZHLigIwiX X19LCJzZXRTcGFuIjp7Im11bHRpcGxpZXIiOjUsImJhc2UiOiJ 5ZWFyIiwicGVyaW9kaWNpdHkiOnsicGVyaW9kIjoxLCJpbnRlc nZhbCI6IndlZWsifX0sImxpbmVXaWR0aCI6Miwic3RyaXBlZEJ hY2tncm91bmQiOnRydWUsImV2ZW50cyI6dHJ1ZSwiY29sb3IiO iIjMDA4MWYyIiwic3RyaXBlZEJhY2tncm91ZCI6dHJ1ZSwiZXZ lbnRNYXAiOnsiY29ycG9yYXRlIjp7ImRpdnMiOnRydWUsInNwb Gl0cyI6dHJ1ZX0sInNpZ0RldiI6e319LCJjdXN0b21SYW5nZSI 6bnVsbCwic3ltYm9scyI6W3sic3ltYm9sIjoiUEhJIiwic3ltY m9sT2JqZWN0Ijp7InN5bWJvbCI6IlBISSIsInF1b3RlVHlwZSI 6IkVRVUlUWSIsImV4Y2hhbmdlVGltZVpvbmUiOiJBbWVyaWNhL 05ld19Zb3JrIn0sInBlcmlvZGljaXR5IjoxLCJpbnRlcnZhbCI 6IndlZWsiLCJ0aW1lVW5pdCI6bnVsbCwic2V0U3BhbiI6eyJtd Wx0aXBsaWVyIjo1LCJiYXNlIjoieWVhciIsInBlcmlvZGljaXR 5Ijp7InBlcmlvZCI6MSwiaW50ZXJ2YWwiOiJ3ZWVrIn19fV19
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I agree on Kaireem on this. The issue was.with Purchasing department which Al was not part of from 2019 to 2021 as the Chief Revenue Officer. CFO and purchasing heads got a graceful exit for their failure to keep infrastructure spend checked. As of now, the audit couldn't find any fraudulent claims only that they could have purchase the items much cheaper that what they paid. The special audit started upon Al term to actually check this issue. I just wonder why they need to broadcast it loudly that they are over spend by 48 B. Because they will write this off and taken from the books. Could be Tax avoidance or shifting priorities.

Phil Stock Market is not an indication of company performance as it doesn't follow technical analysis unlike other markets. CEBU Pacific has not return from its IPO price and still alive. Believe me, unless you trade stocks, its never an indication of company performance.


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SNOW TO COACH RAJKO TOROMAN: If offered the Gilas coaching job for the Asian Games, interim or perhaps permanently, will take it?

RAJKO: I am busy with Converge and Benilde right now.

That's my job at this point. But if I hear an offer. Why not? I love Gilas and the Philippines.
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SNOW TO RAJKO TOROMAN: Right now, we have less than 20 days to the Asian Games. If you'd be picked as the next coach, do we still have time? Do you still have time?

RAJKO: I have been teaching and coaching basketball for the past 35 years. That's not much of a time.

But we can do our best to make the most out of it [The lack of time and preparation for Gilas" campaign in the Asian Games]

I just need the players and their commitments

It won't be 100% but we can do something about it.
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SNOW TO COACH RAJKO TOROMAN: With all these noise and pressure from fans at Gilas coaching, if given the chance to coach again, can you handle that pressure?

RAJKO: Yes of course, it's part of the job. You cannot blame the Filipinos for their passion for basketball.
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But that won;t be a problem for me. I have been close to the hearts of Filipinos. And up to now, every where I go they recognize me and say good things about me.

That won't be a problem.
 
Ariel Vanguardia - Mike Taylor, Will Voigt , Sergio Hernandez are all in Manila now

Resumes:

MIKE TAYLOR
Previously, he was head coach of the Poland national team, which he led to the Round of 16 at the 2015 EuroBasket and the quarter-finals of the 2019 FIBA World Cup.

Career History:

As coach:
1995–1997 Clarion (GA)
1997–2000 Indiana (PA) (assistant)
2000–2001 Pittsburg State (assistant)
2001–2002 BV Chemnitz 99
2002 Dodge City Legend
2002–2003 Essex Leopards
2003–2011 Ratiopharm Ulm
2004, 2005 Kansas Cagerz
2011–2012 Rio Grande Valley Vipers (assistant)
2012–2014 Maine Red Claws
2014–2021 Poland
2018–2020 Hamburg Towers
2022 Fraser Valley Bandits
2022–present Winnipeg Sea Bears

WILL VOIGT
An American basketball coach who is currently serving as head coach of the Austin Spurs in the NBA G League. As the head coach, he led the Nigerian team to its first ever AfroBasket title in 2015, where they defeated Angola in the finals to qualify for the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio.

1998–1999 Los Angeles Clippers (intern)
1999–2001 San Antonio Spurs (video coord.)
2001–2002 Texas (assistant)
2002–2003 Metro State (assistant)
2003–2006 Ulriken Elite
2006–2009 Vermont Frost Heaves
2009–2014 Bakersfield Jam
2014–2015 Shanxi Brave Dragons (assistant)
2020 Telekom Baskets Bonn
2021 Telekom Baskets Bonn
2022 Zamalek
2023–present Austin Spurs

SERGIO HERNANDEZ
is an Argentine professional basketball coach for Leones de Ponce of the Baloncesto Superior Nacional (BSN).

1992–1995 Sport Club Ca
 
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zairex said:
I agree on Kaireem on this. The issue was.with Purchasing department which Al was not part of from 2019 to 2021 as the Chief Revenue Officer. CFO and purchasing heads got a graceful exit for their failure to keep infrastructure spend checked. As of now, the audit couldn't find any fraudulent claims only that they could have purchase the items much cheaper that what they paid. The special audit started upon Al term to actually check this issue. I just wonder why they need to broadcast it loudly that they are over spend by 48 B. Because they will write this off and taken from the books. Could be Tax avoidance or shifting priorities.

Phil Stock Market is not an indication of company performance as it doesn't follow technical analysis unlike other markets. CEBU Pacific has not return from its IPO price and still alive. Believe me, unless you trade stocks, its never an indication of company performance.


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That's not how credit rating agencies like S&P see it......clearly, they see it as a problem that could warrant a rating downgrade for PLDT........you could also see that the earning growth of the growth is suffering a lot with a negative 60% growth in 2022 .......and the stock price was not just fluctuating....it really has a downward trend since the start of 2022 showing how the market perceives PLDT which is not really doing well to the shareholders........as CEO, you cannot just blame it to your CFO......the buck stops at the CEO.....it is his responsibility to ensure that the CFO is doing his job well.....it is the job of the CEO (Panlileo) to ensure that PLDT's performance is on the right track whether it is about finance, operation, marketing etc.
 
Bonifacio said:
That's not how credit rating agencies like S&P see it......clearly, they see it as a problem that could warrant a rating downgrade for PLDT........you could also see that the earning growth of the growth is suffering a lot with a negative 60% growth in 2022 .......and the stock price was not just fluctuating....it really has a downward trend since the start of 2022 showing how the market perceives PLDT which is not really doing well to the shareholders........as CEO, you cannot just blame it to your CFO......the buck stops at the CEO.....it is his responsibility to ensure that the CFO is doing his job well.....it is the job of the CEO (Panlileo) to ensure that PLDT's performance is on the right track whether it is about finance, operation, marketing etc.
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The CFO was there in 2019 not Al. If your incertion is consistent then MVP should have been kick out of long time ago in his President position in PLDT. Check your chart of PLDT stocks movement from high of 80 to 40 in 2016. Yet MVP remained for 6 more years. Again stock market is not a good basis of company situation. Lance G. Should not be the president of CebuPac since the a year after the IPO.

The sell of towers will boost their cash flow loss from budget overruns. The down grade will only happen when they will not able to recover from the budget overrun. As of 1st half of 2023 net income is up by 22%
 
Bonifacio said:
That's not how credit rating agencies like S&P see it......clearly, they see it as a problem that could warrant a rating downgrade for PLDT........you could also see that the earning growth of the growth is suffering a lot with a negative 60% growth in 2022 .......and the stock price was not just fluctuating....it really has a downward trend since the start of 2022 showing how the market perceives PLDT which is not really doing well to the shareholders........as CEO, you cannot just blame it to your CFO......the buck stops at the CEO.....it is his responsibility to ensure that the CFO is doing his job well.....it is the job of the CEO (Panlileo) to ensure that PLDT's performance is on the right track whether it is about finance, operation, marketing etc.
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s&p credit ratings are not credit scores

credit rating is used to determine the creditworthiness of a business meaning the probability of them defaulting on payments. it is calculated using corporate financial instruments - so everything is offered in good faith by companies.

on the other hand, a credit score is given to individuals to rate their creditworthiness and plays a role in determining whether or not they are approved for loans and credit cards.

credit ​ratings are also grouped into two types of grades – ‘investment grade’ and/or ‘speculative grade’.

investment grade refer to the fact that the investment made is solid, and the borrower will most likely meet the repayment terms, thus, they are often priced less

meanwhile speculative grade show that the investments are at a higher risk, and they often have higher interest rates as a safety net

so basically the impact of the downgrade of pldt is that they have to pay more interest if they need credit for any financing, its not like they're being blacklisted nor have they defaulted on any loans nor does it mean that they are cash strapped.

what al has basically done since he stepped into his ceo role is to renegotiate ​and even terminate non-priority long term contracts (paying the termination fees of course) to lessen and make the overrun not only more manageable but more palatable to investors pldt being a publicly listed company.
 
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