Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[magic_chiongson2]

damn it.i forgot about him.yes he plays like dwight anyway albeit smaller.

poor man's dwight. he's more involved in his kbl team's offense though compared to dwight in the b-league, helps that only 1 world import is on the floor

 

[digitalsuperman2]

poor man's dwight. he's more involved in his kbl team's offense though compared to dwight in the b-league, helps that only 1 world import is on the floor

he is good enough tbh. i do hope we can see bolick and ildefonso on the OQT team if we make it or even in the Asian Games. i do think PBA will be heavily involved. and knowing PBA have some beef against pinoys playing outside of PBA. they might go full PBA team.

 

[magic_chiongson2]

he is good enough tbh. i do hope we can see bolick and ildefonso on the OQT team if we make it or even in the Asian Games. i do think PBA will be heavily involved. and knowing PBA have some beef against pinoys playing outside of PBA. they might go full PBA team.

yeah an upgrade over pogoy & perez. i don't mind the pba sending their team to the asian games, those are non-bearing games to fiba anyway. also don't care if they embarrass themselves again.

 

[IPC2]

Tbh people are underestimating how good these international teams are Angola is a strong team. Coach Tab had a good program going on but he’s not the saviour that would automatically lead to wins, even he was focusing on development and trying to develop younger players to be a competitive team. Coach Chot clearly isn’t as good a coach but the real issue is developing good international players. Coach Chot is just a scapegoat at this point and management is clearly incompetent.

I remember still when they first talked about hosting the World Cup, management goal wasn’t to win, they literally said paraphrased “it’s unrealistic to beat team USA but they want to be competitive with international teams”. All these other teams aren’t being “realistic” but training to beat team USA so they are always playing catch up if that is their goal. Looking at this WC they definitely achieved their goal since the team was competitive but they should have been aiming for higher.

This, he's just a symptom of the problem, if we continue to have the same basketball stakeholders were gonna have another Chot like coach either its Austria or Pido or someone else that will take the blame for them

well. they all wanted chot out. so maybe that would make them happier? one crisis at a time.haha.

Yep, it's more the management than Chot. It's more than the senior team. The juniors' program hasn't gone anywhere in the past year. Need a management committed to and focused on developing good international players so that they can be useful senior team players in the future, and so we can have good players in the NBA and in Europe, even Aussie.

Need an actual development program.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

Yep, it's more the management than Chot. It's more than the senior team. The juniors' program hasn't gone anywhere in the past year. Need a management committed to and focused on developing good international players so that they can be useful senior team players in the future, and so we can have good players in the NBA and in Europe, even Aussie.

Need an actual development program.

sad to say those who can spend to develop a talented young player will just recruit them to schools that they are affiliated to , just look at the recruiting wars in the college scene nowadays , i don't know how true the rumors about big universities pay top recruits at par with top pba players

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I find it fun to construct a Gilas lineup with the same size as Japan and daydream about what it would achieve under Tab or Goojiran.

G: RJ Abarrientos for Yukai Togashi
G: Mark Nonoy for Yuki Kawamura
G: Dwight Ramos for Makoto Hiejima
F: a naturalized stretch 4 for Yuta Watanabe
G: Ray Parks Jr for Yudai Baba
G: Robert Bolick for Yudai Nishida
C: AJ Edu for Joshua Hawkinson
G: Kiefer Ravena for Keisei Tominaga
F: Rhenz Abando for Shuta Hara
F: Justine Baltazar for Soichiro Inoue
F: Calvin Oftana for Hirotaka Yoshii
C: Carl Tamayo for Koya Kawamata

obviously not the best team we can field but it's fun to think about just how much the Japanese had to compensate for in height disadvantage in our context

 

[r1ck2]

With Choke finally RESIGNING (f*ck his dramatics of refusing to call it as such and saying he is just stepping aside) we can also assume Tim Cone will also be gone. And with little time to prepare I think the SBP will probably tap Jong Uichico as interim head coach for the Asian games unless they find someone else to take the job.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

With Choke finally RESIGNING (f*ck his dramatics of refusing to call it as such and saying he is just stepping aside) we can also assume Tim Cone will also be gone. And with little time to prepare I think the SBP will probably tap Jong Uichico as interim head coach for the Asian games unless they find someone else to take the job.

i'm not too confident about Jong as he was the one who was assigned to scout Angola , though Cone might just being modest when it comes to Chot but i think he will agree if in case they asked him to coach in the asian games, though it can be Jong to with Cone serving as an assistant as it will be hard to tap another coach with a little time to prepare

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

i'm not too confident about Jong as he was the one who was assigned to scout Angola , though Cone might just being modest when it comes to Chot but i think he will agree if in case they asked him to coach in the asian games, though it can be Jong to with Cone serving as an assistant as it will be hard to tap another coach with a little time to prepare

zero expectations this coming Asian Games. lol. we have a watered down Gilas with basically the same ineffective system we had in World Cup.

I just hope they'd use the Asian Games to hone young players but SBP lacks foresight to do that.

they'll field in PBA players, then get mediocre results, then we go back to watching low-quality PBA games again, then a moral victory or two again in the OQT.

It's a cycle lol.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

With Choke finally RESIGNING (f*ck his dramatics of refusing to call it as such and saying he is just stepping aside) we can also assume Tim Cone will also be gone. And with little time to prepare I think the SBP will probably tap Jong Uichico as interim head coach for the Asian games unless they find someone else to take the job.

I think we should give them a free pass in the Asian Games. like let's not criticize them for whatever result they produce since we're not fielding our best lineup.... plus SBP is exhausted from hosting.... And then time for total reset after that. no more PBA coaches in Gilas after 2023 major competitions.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

zero expectations this coming Asian Games. lol. we have a watered down Gilas with basically the same ineffective system we had in World Cup.

I just hope they'd use the Asian Games to hone young players but SBP lacks foresight to do that.

they'll field in PBA players, then get mediocre results, then we go back to watching low-quality PBA games again, then a moral victory or two again in the OQT.

It's a cycle lol.

Yeah. And for sure we would get screwed royally by the host country as payback. Let's just use this as an audition for our NT

 

[ARMIR2]

With Choke finally RESIGNING (f*ck his dramatics of refusing to call it as such and saying he is just stepping aside) we can also assume Tim Cone will also be gone. And with little time to prepare I think the SBP will probably tap Jong Uichico as interim head coach for the Asian games unless they find someone else to take the job.

I rather watch Jong's pretty eyes than Chot's suits.Interim coach and when they finally have the permanent coach I hope Jong gets retained for the Youth team in charge of player developement and coaches.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Yeah. And for sure we would get screwed royally by the host country as payback. Let's just use this as an audition for our NT

I actually dont get the hype around SEA Games and Asian Games..... like does Team USA even care about the Pan-American Games?? same w/ Boomers in Commonwealth Games? They send their D-E teams to those tournaments and roll with whatever result they get.

 

[ARMIR2]

I actually dont get the hype around SEA Games and Asian Games..... like does Team USA even care about the Pan-American Games?? same w/ Boomers in Commonwealth Games? They send their D-E teams to those tournaments and roll with whatever result they get.

Asian rivalry,it's still the gauge for China,Japan,Korea to be considered best in Asia by beating your Asian rivals to the ground.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I actually dont get the hype around SEA Games and Asian Games..... like does Team USA even care about the Pan-American Games?? same w/ Boomers in Commonwealth Games? They send their D-E teams to those tournaments and roll with whatever result they get.

The US dominates the Americas, Australia only has Canada as a real competition in the commonwealth games, like would you really invest that much just to play 1 or 2 games vs Canada? Asia is wilder, China, Japan, Korea, Philippines or MENA teams like Lebanon and Jordan if they join are not vastly different from each other if they can field their best players and offers a better exchange of technology.

SEA games and SEABA has no use for us though except to look good in the medal tallies in the SEA games and for the PBA to sell themselves to countries who don't give a fuck about basketball in SEABA. We should be sending rookies in these tournaments, players like Lebron Lopez, Lowell Brionnes Jr, Caelum Harris etc. If they lose then that's a morale booster for teams like Indonesia and Thailand to keep investing in basketball and have them provide better quality games in ASEAN level and we get to develop young players in that level until they can win against the senior teams of ASEAN teams. If they win then graduate those rookies to higher level competitions like King Abdullah Cup in the middle east or/and the Jones Cup and send in a new batch of rawer rookies for the ASEAN opponents. Maybe put in 1 or 3 token PBA players in there like Justin Chua and Isaac Go if the businessmen from ASEAN countries find it offensive that we're sending literal kids to compete against their seniors.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

Asian rivalry,it's still the gauge for China,Japan,Korea to be considered best in Asia by beating your Asian rivals to the ground.

with Australia and New Zealand joining zone its the only real asian basketball competition as it will always be hard to win fiba asia cup anymore, unless Australia decided to just send their developmental team it will take a while for an asian team to win the gold so Asian games will be the next tournament for Asian basketball supremacy

 

[empyreanmaze2]

FilBasket could be a good vessel to see who we can send to competitions like SEA Games and SEABA imo. Select the best players from each semi-pro or collegiate team in that league, make a pool, train the final 12 for a few weeks and send them to the compete in the SEA Games/SEABA. That would make ASEAN competition a productive thing for us instead of a vanity show watching PBA players beat Singapore by 50, honestly who tf likes watching that and what do you even learn from it?

 

[thatweirdguy2]

I actually dont get the hype around SEA Games and Asian Games..... like does Team USA even care about the Pan-American Games?? same w/ Boomers in Commonwealth Games? They send their D-E teams to those tournaments and roll with whatever result they get.

False sense of superiority. We tend to pride ourselves as the king of the SEA region as even winning the bronze in the asian games is really hard for us. That's why it was a big deal for us when we sent pros including the PBA MVP and we still lost

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

with Australia and New Zealand joining zone its the only real asian basketball competition as it will always be hard to win fiba asia cup anymore, unless Australia decided to just send their developmental team it will take a while for an asian team to win the gold so Asian games will be the next tournament for Asian basketball supremacy

battle for 3rd in FIBA asia cup is the real battle for Asian basketball supremacy for 2 -3 more cycles, i believe.

actually SBP used previous FIBA Asia Cup to get young guns like Carl and KQuiambs some reps but i don't think they really take the Asian Games seriously as the FIBA sanctioned events.

slowly Asian countries are catching up to NZ. on any given day Japan/Lebanon/Korea can beat NZ.

the real intent of FIBA with the inclusion of Australia/NZ is for the rest of the field to rise to the level of Oceania...but you're right, Asian Games could be the tournament for Asian basketball supremacy but for now let's consider it "Goodwill Games" because the best players from each country is unavailable. ​

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

False sense of superiority. We tend to pride ourselves as the king of the SEA region as even winning the bronze in the asian games is really hard for us. That's why it was a big deal for us when we sent pros including the PBA MVP and we still lost

What for? lol. Everybody knows we're the best in the region. It's alarming that the only medals we got in the previous 3-6 years is a Silver and a Gold from SEA Games. (correct me if im wrong)

No medal at all from Asian competitions. maybe Yeng is right. napagiiwanan na tayo.