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JOI2dWorld2
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if Kouame will get an exemption and if Edu will stay healthy and with another naturalized big i think our frontline is set plus we still have Baltazar, Tamayo and Amos
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r1ck2
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Besides the coaching change I think the SBP should also strenghten our pool of players for the national team, meaning help process the eligibility of fil-for players (Balunggay, Lucero, Mike Phillips, BGR). But one of the biggest move they can do is if they can convince the 26 year old Sedrick Barefield to commit to the national team and somehow get him that FIBA eligibility as a local.
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ARMIR2
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Besides the coaching change I think the SBP should also strenghten our pool of players for the national team, meaning help process the eligibility of fil-for players (Balunggay, Lucero, Mike Phillips, BGR). But one of the biggest move they can do is if they can convince the 26 year old Sedrick Barefield to commit to the national team and somehow get him that FIBA eligibility as a local.
If I could have a choice I rather have Remy Martin,I hope he gets invited to one of the qualifiers and the next SEA GAMES,he's exciting to watch and brings so much energy to the game.
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C2Hamm2
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We need a new program director, and we need a new coach. Both should be good. Ideally, program director's a competent foreigner (Euro or Latin America) with an emphasis on youth, and new coach can be anyone competent. Let the program director build the roster, coaching staff, and the youth development program.
As for play style, I don't care if we play ugly, as long as we win, and we make it ugly for the opponent (actually making it ugly for the opponent should be one of the hallmarks of our play style). Incorporate principles of ball movement. It's not about aesthetics, it's about getting in a position and creating positions where it's easier to score and getting the ball there.
You cant just give the program director to someone who has no prior experience with ph stakeholders. That person would need to talk the PBA, college teams, and bcap at the very least. Wala pa dyan sila delta, lao group, or whoever else who has a player or team that sbp would like to tap in some way or form. You can mask this bit by giving the pm an assistant who has bridges already but like or not, these are red tape layera that wont go away any time soon
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Rds2
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I dont think Laput is eligible. In the PBA pool after Fajardo the Center position is rather thin. The next tallest eligible players are Japeth Aguilar, Poy Erram, Ian Sanggalang and Raymond Almazan all are old and injury prone. The only notable young center the PBA has is Justin Arana but he is undersized at 6'6" and the guy has no consistent jump shot.
This is ironic then. There are no international potential eligible bigs (C, PF) in the PBA then. JF and Japeth have been integral to the team for so long and were SMCs leverage. Now that they are taking over the team SMC has to source eligible bigs fron outside the PBA. Well I still think Balti will go to the PBA. He has burned his bridge in KBL and probly wont go back to B league.
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IPC2
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This is ironic then. There are no international potential eligible bigs (C, PF) in the PBA then. JF and Japeth have been integral to the team for so long and were SMCs leverage. Now that they are taking over the team SMC has to source eligible bigs fron outside the PBA. Well I still think Balti will go to the PBA. He has burned his bridge in KBL and probly wont go back to B league.
Unless SMC settles for Almazan and Arana just because they're in the PBA.
Unless Arana is a good perimeter defender, I dunno if he can cut it in FIBA.
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Rds2
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Unless SMC settles for Almazan and Arana just because they're in the PBA.
Unless Arana is a good perimeter defender, I dunno if he can cut it in FIBA.
Arana plays more like a traditional big for me. The problem is he is 6’6. Will he be useful against say Korea?
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Rds2
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I think the problem is the potential good bigs after the current ones are mostly ineligible. This reminds us that homegrown 6’8 or up guys are still rare for us. We’re lucky Edu got a passport on time because it seems Kai is still far from being reliable at this point. The only practical way I see is go back to Kouame as NP. Well first he needs to have surgery. He needs to have a talk with Edu on the wonders of modern medicine and have a surgery. Do his rehab and get back close to his peak performance.
With Kouame, Edu, Balti, Tamayo, Amos and maybe Arana we have a decent enough C/PF rotation. I wont count the ineligibles yet because you know except for Greg we got the exemption when guys are in their 30s. Then maybe Kai gets healthier, then our bigs rotation becomes pretty good.
With Kouame, Edu, Balti, Tamayo, Amos and maybe Arana we have a decent enough C/PF rotation. I wont count the ineligibles yet because you know except for Greg we got the exemption when guys are in their 30s. Then maybe Kai gets healthier, then our bigs rotation becomes pretty good.
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Kaireem2
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I think the problem is the potential good bigs after the current ones are mostly ineligible. This reminds us that homegrown 6’8 or up guys are still rare for us. We’re lucky Edu got a passport on time because it seems Kai is still far from being reliable at this point. The only practical way I see is go back to Kouame as NP. Well first he needs to have surgery. He needs to have a talk with Edu on the wonders of modern medicine and have a surgery. Do his rehab and get back close to his peak performance.
With Kouame, Edu, Balti, Tamayo, Amos and maybe Arana we have a decent enough C/PF rotation. I wont count the ineligibles yet because you know except for Greg we got the exemption when guys are in their 30s. Then maybe Kai gets healthier, then our bigs rotation becomes pretty good.
but we really need help at the small forward and shooting guard positions. angola and japan has shown that the sub 6'0 point guards can still be effective weapons at the world stage, i know easier said than done to find the next tenorio, castro or alapag but we do have some promising point guards like bahay. but we can never get away from the need to have longer and stronger shooting guards and small forwards.
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ja.he2
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I'm intrigue with SJ Moore guy - the 6'2 athletic shooting guard of UST. Is he eligible? Gemao is also an intriguing prospect for Gilas.
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Rodbi2
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Arana plays more like a traditional big for me. The problem is he is 6’6. Will he be useful against say Korea?
If he happens to be selected for the upcoming Asiad as one of the Gilas' bigs, i'd like for him to emulate how Zaza played in the NBA, the one that does the dirty work (minus the hurting of other players, of course) of making the opposing 4's and 5's uncomfortable. He has the physical built for it.
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IPC2
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but we really need help at the small forward and shooting guard positions. angola and japan has shown that the sub 6'0 point guards can still be effective weapons at the world stage, i know easier said than done to find the next tenorio, castro or alapag but we do have some promising point guards like bahay. but we can never get away from the need to have longer and stronger shooting guards and small forwards.
Heading and Will Navarro are injured. We could have used Heading's shooting and Navarro's defensive versatility.
Well, let's just hope Jacob Bayla, Caelum Harris, Francis Lopez, James Nacua, and Josh Coronel can develop into effective wings at 2 and 3. I think all of them can play defense, so that's a start.
We also need a coach that emphasizes longer and taller players at 3. Defensive ability over shot creation muna. Dwight's the exception.
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IPC2
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You cant just give the program director to someone who has no prior experience with ph stakeholders. That person would need to talk the PBA, college teams, and bcap at the very least. Wala pa dyan sila delta, lao group, or whoever else who has a player or team that sbp would like to tap in some way or form. You can mask this bit by giving the pm an assistant who has bridges already but like or not, these are red tape layera that wont go away any time soon
Maybe Rajko? I'll take anyone COMPETENT at this point. Good relations with the stakeholders, but can and will build the best team from the players offered.
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Metta2
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For me, the short-term outlook (1-4 years) for our national team is mediocre at best. Like what a lot of you mentioned, there are holes to fill in the roster without a lot of noteworthy candidates.
What we do have however, is an exciting batch for the mid to long-term (5-10 years from now) with the likes of a peaking Edu, Tamayo, Amos, Bayla, Caelum, Lopez, etc. That batch has an abundance of bigs and skilled and long wings/guards. We have the ingredients (the players) and we have the time, let's not eff it up again.
Lets copy Taiwan and throw this group into the fire early. Have a long-term strategy for once and give these prospects early and meaningful experience. Sacrifice some of the meaningless tournament wins (like Sea Games) in order to develop this batch. And start having candidates for this batch regular practices (even if a few times a year) together now.
"One step backward, two steps forward."
What we do have however, is an exciting batch for the mid to long-term (5-10 years from now) with the likes of a peaking Edu, Tamayo, Amos, Bayla, Caelum, Lopez, etc. That batch has an abundance of bigs and skilled and long wings/guards. We have the ingredients (the players) and we have the time, let's not eff it up again.
Lets copy Taiwan and throw this group into the fire early. Have a long-term strategy for once and give these prospects early and meaningful experience. Sacrifice some of the meaningless tournament wins (like Sea Games) in order to develop this batch. And start having candidates for this batch regular practices (even if a few times a year) together now.
"One step backward, two steps forward."
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IPC2
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For me, the short-term outlook (1-4 years) for our national team is mediocre at best. Like what a lot of you mentioned, there are holes to fill in the roster without a lot of noteworthy candidates.
What we do have however, is an exciting batch for the mid to long-term (5-10 years from now) with the likes of a peaking Edu, Tamayo, Amos, Bayla, Caelum, Lopez, etc. That batch has an abundance of bigs and skilled and long wings/guards. We have the ingredients (the players) and we have the time, let's not eff it up again.
Lets copy Taiwan and throw this group into the fire early. Have a long-term strategy for once and give these prospects early and meaningful experience. Sacrifice some of the meaningless tournament wins (like Sea Games) in order to develop this batch. And start having candidates for this batch regular practices (even if a few times a year) together now.
"One step backward, two steps forward."
Start with the first window for the 2025 Asia Cup. Then, join pocket tournaments when invited like Jones Cup, Dubai tournament (get a few younger players to a Strong roster), King's Cup in Jordan (if we get invited agian).
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ja.he2
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For me, the short-term outlook (1-4 years) for our national team is mediocre at best. Like what a lot of you mentioned, there are holes to fill in the roster without a lot of noteworthy candidates.
What we do have however, is an exciting batch for the mid to long-term (5-10 years from now) with the likes of a peaking Edu, Tamayo, Amos, Bayla, Caelum, Lopez, etc. That batch has an abundance of bigs and skilled and long wings/guards. We have the ingredients (the players) and we have the time, let's not eff it up again.
Lets copy Taiwan and throw this group into the fire early. Have a long-term strategy for once and give these prospects early and meaningful experience. Sacrifice some of the meaningless tournament wins (like Sea Games) in order to develop this batch. And start having candidates for this batch regular practices (even if a few times a year) together now.
"One step backward, two steps forward."
Create a team B ala Taiwan. I have a set of players in mind already that can be team B:
C Michael Philips - 6'8
C Zain Mahmood - 6'6
F Alex Konov - 6'7
F LeBron Lopez - 6'6
F Caelum Harris - 6'6
F Bobby Mark Parks - 6'5
G SJ Moore - 6'2
G Andy Gemao - 6'1
G Jared Bahay - 5'9
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Supremo302
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Create a team B ala Taiwan. I have a set of players in mind already that can be team B:
C Michael Philips - 6'8
C Zain Mahmood - 6'6
F Alex Konov - 6'7
F LeBron Lopez - 6'6
F Caelum Harris - 6'6
F Bobby Mark Parks - 6'5
G SJ Moore - 6'2
G Andy Gemao - 6'1
G Jared Bahay - 5'9
Taiwan B Team won't work for us. Considering the names you mentioned, some of them are abroad based which make it harder for a call-up. And our college basketball is all year round which also make it difficult for those players to commit for the National team. That's why the 23for23 of Chot failed.
Unless, the SBP make a drastic change regarding how the college basketball will be run.
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Metta2
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Taiwan B Team won't work for us. Considering the names you mentioned, some of them are abroad based which make it harder for a call-up. And our college basketball is all year round which also make it difficult for those players to commit for the National team. That's why the 23for23 of Chot failed.
Unless, the SBP make a drastic change regarding how the college basketball will be run.
Nothing will ever work for us if we keep things the same.
We need changes.
Yeng said it out loud. Change the rules/officiating/play-style, improve grassroots, improve coaching, change the economics of our pro league, etc.
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greenarcher2
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The PBA and the collegiate leagues are allergic to change. Until these entities align their calendars to accommodate the FIBA tournaments, nothing will change. Changing the calendars is the 1st step.
The next step is how to create a program that guarantees poaching never happens. Given how "tuso" the Pinoy society is, trust is almost never given. History will tell you there have been countless poaching incidents both in the collegiate level and PBA once players either got coached by an opposing team's coach or when they hear the grass is greener on the other side. There is always an "angle" when dealing with Pinoys. There is always one party out to take advantage of the other. This makes real nationalism and unity difficult because entities will tend to protect their investments even if it means being selfish for national glory.
Our culture is all but designed to fail.
Who funds the NT program of Taiwan? Japan? European countries? We rely on private entities which is why vested interests will never be out of the equation.
We don't need foreign residents to compose a Team B. The UAAP is enough to fill a Team B. But it will never happen until the problems above are solved.
The next step is how to create a program that guarantees poaching never happens. Given how "tuso" the Pinoy society is, trust is almost never given. History will tell you there have been countless poaching incidents both in the collegiate level and PBA once players either got coached by an opposing team's coach or when they hear the grass is greener on the other side. There is always an "angle" when dealing with Pinoys. There is always one party out to take advantage of the other. This makes real nationalism and unity difficult because entities will tend to protect their investments even if it means being selfish for national glory.
Our culture is all but designed to fail.
Who funds the NT program of Taiwan? Japan? European countries? We rely on private entities which is why vested interests will never be out of the equation.
We don't need foreign residents to compose a Team B. The UAAP is enough to fill a Team B. But it will never happen until the problems above are solved.
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IPC2
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All the asian teams were realistically expecting just one win in the group stages.
For Japan, Finland was the team they gunned for while it should be ANG for us.
Japan chose to make their games more about offense. Like I've said even before the World Cup, they play five out and will live and die by the three. That style puts you in a risk of getting blown out.
Our games on the other hand was always, make the game an ugly drawn-out and physical game. That type of game tends to have closer scores.
At the end of the day, their chosen strategy got them that one win in the group stage and ours did not.
Also, the type of identity that Japan basketball requires is a wholistic overhaul of their entire system. You need good grassroots to develop players that will fit their system. So aside from that win against FIN, the fact that they developed homegrown NBA players and D1 players is part of their success.
I think we can still win with an ugly, drawn-out, and physical game. Just complement it with a functioning offense and smart defensive rotations. The Bad Boy Pistons had a good offense as well, and were smart defensive players.
We just need to adapt that style to a working model in FIBA.