Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[gilasfan2]

SBP is a full time job....schedule is jampacked.

Cannot hire people with side jobs...Al, Barrios, Chot even Tim Cone.

​​​​​​Should be a dedicated group that are passionate like us fans and hopefully little to none corruption and favoritism involve....in an ideal world that is

 

[Rodbi2]

If for instance Iskati Thompson won't make it becoz of his injured hand (well I hope he makes it), and Kiefer Ravena doesn't make it to the final-12 man roster either, would this be the 1st time that a Philippine national team bound for a major tournament would be without a natural/legit point guard? Let's be honest, neither CJ Perez nor Newsome nor Rayray Parks are natural point guards. Coach Chot hinted that he might play Clarkson at the point guard spot at times. I don't expect that's gonna happen. Clarkson's just too valuable a scorer & offensive threat to play the point.

I think even with Scottie around, Clarkson would be the best candidate for PG duties for Gilas come the WC proper. Granted that it has been almost a decade since but there were some games of JC in the past in an LAL uniform shouldering most of PG duties whenever he was on the floor, and it's not just some NBA-level ball handling he exhibited but that of a legit NBA point guard. I can't remember his on-court decisions though if it was good enough (probably not back then as the Lakers were a sub-20 game winner when he was with them), as it's mostly his offensive prowess that was on display. Too bad though, we don't have someone else in the same level of JC, offense-wise, so tasking him to do it all on offense may have adverse effects for Gilas all tournament long.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

In Iran's tune-up games vs. Russia where Iran lost both games (59-72 & 57-71), the top scorer of Iran in both games is Mohammad Amini, who scored 17 & 20 pts., respectively. The 6-foot-7 Amini was the standout of Iran's U-16 & U-18 teams from last year.

I think he's not part of the Iran team-B team that played in the recent pocket tournament in China where Gilas also played.

 

[Rds2]

I think even with Scottie around, Clarkson would be the best candidate for PG duties for Gilas come the WC proper. Granted that it has been almost a decade since but there were some games of JC in the past in an LAL uniform shouldering most of PG duties whenever he was on the floor, and it's not just some NBA-level ball handling he exhibited but that of a legit NBA point guard. I can't remember his on-court decisions though if it was good enough (probably not back then as the Lakers were a sub-20 game winner when he was with them), as it's mostly his offensive prowess that was on display. Too bad though, we don't have someone else in the same level of JC, offense-wise, so tasking him to do it all on offense may have adverse effects for Gilas all tournament long.

JC will play make some but I think not full time. Actually, I have some doubts if Scottie can drive against the WC foes. This means he will probably be in PNR most of the time. I think JC will best be slotted at SG as a combo guard with Dwight at SF, Edu at PF and either Kai or Japeth at C. Scottie has been idle for a long time that although I hope he can start but until we see him in the next tuneups I don't think he is a shooin to start. The problem is all our PG's have big question marks. CJ - defense and decision making. Newsome - scoring and shooting. Kiefer - slow and short. Bollick shouldve been in the pool as along with CJ he did well in the last WC. But oh well PBA politics.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

In Iran's tune-up games vs. Russia where Iran lost both games (59-72 & 57-71), the top scorer of Iran in both games is Mohammad Amini, who scored 17 & 20 pts., respectively. The 6-foot-7 Amini was the standout of Iran's U-16 & U-18 teams from last year.

I think he's not part of the Iran team-B team that played in the recent pocket tournament in China where Gilas also played.

Losing to a good European team in a slim margin is impressive for Iran… they still have gas left in their tank… next tune up game for Iran is against Georgia…

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Losing to a good European team in a slim margin is impressive for Iran… they still have gas left in their tank… next tune up game for Iran is against Georgia…

This might be Russia's developmental team with a few national team veterans that Iran played against.

 

[carmelo72]

JC will play make some but I think not full time. Actually, I have some doubts if Scottie can drive against the WC foes. This means he will probably be in PNR most of the time. I think JC will best be slotted at SG as a combo guard with Dwight at SF, Edu at PF and either Kai or Japeth at C. Scottie has been idle for a long time that although I hope he can start but until we see him in the next tuneups I don't think he is a shooin to start. The problem is all our PG's have big question marks. CJ - defense and decision making. Newsome - scoring and shooting. Kiefer - slow and short. Bollick shouldve been in the pool as along with CJ he did well in the last WC. But oh well PBA politics.

Kaya i was hoping Gabe Norwood could be our full time PG at least for the WC, he could've played 20mins purely as a PG and this time he no longer has to defend the best player, with Perez and Newsome could take 10 each.
For the SG-SF JC,Parks,Dwight & Malonzo could share duties
Then Malonzo,AJ,Jap,JF & Kai alternating the 4-5 spots depending on the match ups

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

This might be Russia's developmental team with a few national team veterans that Iran played against.

Maybe not… since they are suspended by FIBA, they use some tune up games for being able to be ready once they can play again in fiba tournaments…

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I see an abundance of talent in Philippine baskstball at the four position in the 23-year old & under age category. U got players like Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao, Mason Amos, Kai Balungay & Mike Philipps in there. The only hicup is that Balungay & Philipps are both ineligible for now. Hope these 2 guys gets FIBA exception in a few years.

 

[ARMIR2]

I see an abundance of talent in Philippine baskstball at the four position in the 23-year old & under age category. U got players like Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao, Mason Amos, Kai Balungay & Mike Philipps in there. The only hicup is that Balungay & Philipps are both ineligible for now. Hope these 2 guys gets FIBA exception in a few years.

A natural 3 with good size is the key to having a balance strong Gilas,most of the time they rely on 4s to play combo forward,that's all but a couple of permanent 6'6 or above SF,is badly needed.

 

[live_evil2]

Our problem with the 3 position would have been solved if Kobe Paras had the face of Barroca.

 

[carmelo72]

A natural 3 with good size is the key to having a balance strong Gilas,most of the time they rely on 4s to play combo forward,that's all but a couple of permanent 6'6 or above SF,is badly needed.

Ballungay,Lopez,Briones,Lucero (wish),Tamayo and Amos should be good enough

 

[gilasfan2]

Our problem with the 3 position would have been solved if Kobe Paras had the face of Barroca.

True hahaha! Being handsome is a curse!!!!

 

[gilasfan2]

Kobe should look at Dwight. Dwight is more handsome than him haha

 

[ARMIR2]

Ballungay,Lopez,Briones,Lucero (wish),Tamayo and Amos should be good enough

Lopez,still a long way,Amos,might be another combo like Tamayo and Balti,Navarro is promising,let's see what he can bring next time he's called up,still hoping Kobe will just dropped his showbiz contacts completely,go to theraphy,go clean up and play basketball like he really likes it.

 

[IPC2]

I really don't get our obsession to have a size at par with Europeans. Even if our players are as tall as Europeans, if the skill level and laterals are not good, then being tall has no use at all. Just superficial.

For me, I would rather look like a Mexican or a DR team because that will be more realistic than be like Spain or Serbia.

Thats our DNA. We are not a tall team, not atheltic not beefy.

I mean what is the excuse of Euro teams getting a small pg for NP. They can't stop their playera from growing.

the new generation of players are taller now it is just a matter of honing their skills to play small, as we already have a 7 footer and couple of 6'10" guys to be our frontcourt so those 6'8 and below should be trained to play as small forward and guard

I do get that we might not have the size, but still, we need enough size, especially in the frontcourt. Only a good motor and athletic level with the right size (ala Pingris) can compensate for being undersized.

We cannot afford to have undersized AND not-so-athletic AND underskilled players at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Guys like Belga (6'5", but cannot defend the perimeter), Pogoy (6'2", but not really that spectacular on defense nor fast enough), not really fit for international game.

For bigs, we need more guys like Pingris, RDO, Quiambao, and Tamayo. For wings, Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, or a 6'4" Calvin Abueva.

 

[ja.he2]

I do get that we might not have the size, but still, we need enough size, especially in the frontcourt. Only a good motor and athletic level with the right size (ala Pingris) can compensate for being undersized.

We cannot afford to have undersized AND not-so-athletic AND underskilled players at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Guys like Belga (6'5", but cannot defend the perimeter), Pogoy (6'2", but not really that spectacular on defense nor fast enough), not really fit for international game.

For bigs, we need more guys like Pingris, RDO, Quiambao, and Tamayo. For wings, Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, or a 6'4" Calvin Abueva.

For me, players that will mainly play the 4 should be either fall into 3 categories - Kelly Williams-type, RDO-type or Pingris-type while players that will mainly play the 3 should be a guard with guard skills or atleast a swing (2/3). Sorry, I am really a proponent of triple guard combination.

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[Metta2]

Hopefully, Caelum and Bayla plays D1 and develops nicely. Both are at least 6'5 now and can play as swings (2/3). For those older and bigger than them with good potentia as wings are Belmonte, Chico, Koon and maybe Policarpio. We have the prospects, it's the ecosystem that needs to optimize them.

 

[Rds2]

For me, players that will mainly play the 4 should be either fall into 3 categories - Kelly Williams-type, RDO-type or Pingris-type while players that will mainly play the 3 should be a guard with guard skills or atleast a swing (2/3). Sorry, I am really a proponent of triple guard combination.

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Let's face it Kelly and Pingris have African and Caucasian blood respectively. Our 6'6 guys are not typically as athletic as etiher of them. I think we have no choice but to make our 4s as skilled as RDO. As I said, Tamayo is the modern version of this. But I also said, when we get tall guys who have length and mobility, like Balti, we have to maximize them. I think for Hagop eligible guys, Navarro is the realistic level of athleticism we can hope for unless we get some guys with African and Caucasian ethnicity. I think we should follow Tab's framework. Basically maximizing the guys we have, maximizing their skills and defense. I think looking for Gabe or Kelly as models for our ideal players is not realistic. This actually conditions us to search for future mixed ethnicity guys. This is not sustainable. We should look at the profile of the eligible guys we get in college. Guys like Belmonte, Chiu and develop a system to maximize them. We will always have an NP slot for any size, athleticism or skill hole we have.Of course we will maximize guys like Lopez and Edu etc. But it is a disservice to our homegrowns if we dont maximize them because they do not have the athletic ceiling of those with African or Caucasian descent. Let's build a system were we can maximize the typical type of players we have.

A nation with a small basketball pool produced a Yuta Watanabe and some other guards playing in international leagues. If we maximize the athleticism and skill of the players we have we can compete and even produce international level players whether they are African/Caucasian descent or not.

 

[ccharmed2]

Sometimes forumers worry too much about the players. High school and college players already see that young locals like kai, aj, amos and abando are quite tall for their positions, and yet are as quick as sub-six footers. I've seen already that teams like ateneo, up and la salle stack up on tall, talented, and still athletic players. These big teams would likely have crusshed their bulinggit uaap counterparts from ten to twenty years ago.

There are also young talented filfors with Philippine passports. Like a chicken and egg situation, we are not getting much more of them because our nt teams havent impressed, and even much smaller and poorer countries produced a lot more nba players. If we can finish in the top 15 consistently, I am sure that getting a lot more quality big players will cease to be an issue. Producing the first two or so nba class players will be very difficult, but the next ten won't be, as pinoy player reputation gains a body of work.

Developing or acquiring more top fiba level coaches with credible records in winning should really be the sbp priority. Hindi puwede iyong masyadong bumilib sa sarili, na wala namang maayos na fiba grades.

As for 70-80% physically ready kai, he need not be the main center. He is good for at least ten points made, 5 rebounds, and 5 defeated/ intimidated shot attempts, in just ten minutes of play in only 3 games. He can spell fajardo or aj instead. Remember, even a tough and reliable player like doncic got injured against the no-nonsense non-nba spanish team. Hindi naman big deal ang mga ganyang injuries agad.