Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

Not really. The guys you said were role players at best. The main guys were essentially the same.

Nah, you just backpedaled after you got called out for spewing incorrect information. Kawhi for Demar 1:1? What a clown. LMFAO

 

[Rds2]

Nah, you just backpedaled after you got called out for spewing incorrect information. Kawhi for Demar 1:1? What a clown. LMFAO

Does it literally need to be 1 on 1? My point is they basically had the same team. Dermar didnt have any significant playoffs success. While Kawhi won a championship with the same team on his first try. Then I pointed out how important Kawhi’s superior defense and 3 pt shot to success in the playoffs. It not being a literal 1 on 1 trade is besides the point. For the level of talent that got moved it was like one.​

 

[thatweirdguy2]

pre Dust hehe

I don't really understand what happened. Dust is just a pre workout powder with some banned ingredients. How can someone 's game disappear like that? Unless he's taking it pre game which isn't really recommended and he could have just substituted caffeine?

He lost his explosiveness, defence and gained a lot of weight?

 

[carmelo72]

I don't really understand what happened. Dust is just a pre workout powder with some banned ingredients. How can someone 's game disappear like that? Unless he's taking it pre game which isn't really recommended and he could have just substituted caffeine?

He lost his explosiveness, defence and gained a lot of weight?

It's the unlimited energy that "IT"
brings actually.. You can push yourself to your limits possibly the whole game. I'm a big Lebron fan, and I won't be surprised that after he retires, the talks about him using to maintain his game would come out. You ask anyone who
knows their stuff on longevity and physical limitations, there is no (legitimate) way a 39-40 year old man can do what he does on the court with all that mileage w/o some "help". It is what it is. NBA is a multi-billion dollar industry, got to protect your assets period.

 

[reamily2]

I don't really understand what happened. Dust is just a pre workout powder with some banned ingredients. How can someone 's game disappear like that? Unless he's taking it pre game which isn't really recommended and he could have just substituted caffeine?

He lost his explosiveness, defence and gained a lot of weight?

his first step non existent he was always a weak defensive guard.. a guy who has no slashing game, non rebounding guard and a spotty shooter is a very limited player

 

[magic_chiongson2]

his first step non existent he was always a weak defensive guard.. a guy who has no slashing game, non rebounding guard and a spotty shooter is a very limited player

imo his best defensive and offensive effort in an international game was for mighty sports when they played against jimmer fredette's cba team. he kept jimmer below his scoring average and nearly matched his scoring output

 

[reamily2]

imo his best defensive and offensive effort in an international game was for mighty sports when they played against jimmer fredette's cba team. he kept jimmer below his scoring average and nearly matched his scoring output

Are you talking about this? https://www.spin.ph/basketball/kief...ette-merlion-cup-finals-mighty-sports-shangha

 

[magic_chiongson2]

Are you talking about this? https://www.spin.ph/basketball/kief...ette-merlion-cup-finals-mighty-sports-shangha

lol 41 pts vs 12 pts, i guess i remembered it wrong

 

[Silent Killer2]

lol 41 pts vs 12 pts, i guess i remembered it wrong

he did actually played good defensively on fredette but when kief was sub in, fredette was already hot. afaik joseph yeo guarding fredette around the time kief was on the bench

 

[zairex2]

he did actually played good defensively on fredette but when kief was sub in, fredette was already hot. afaik joseph yeo guarding fredette around the time kief was on the bench

Yup. Against Kief. fredette was 1 of 8 in the field. Compare to other defenders.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

My ideal shooting guards for Gilas in terms of skill set:

Marcio Lassiter
& Dondon Hontiveros

Not becoz they are/were the best shooters or scorers during their prime but mainly becoz they are two-way players who were/are good in both offense & defense. I think they are perfect compliments for a go-to-guy type of small forward like a Jordan Clarkson or a Justine Brownlee.

I think a 6-foot-4 Dondon Hontiveros or Marcio Lassiter would easily be a quality wingman in Asian basketball.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I say if coach Rajko Toroman's Gilas-1 had players like Kai Sotto, Dwight Ramos, Rayray Parks, Jamie Malonzo, Justin Baltazar, AJ Edu, teams like Iran, China, Jordan, would have made a run for their money. Baka nga lamang pa tayo sa kanila. Imagine Gilas-1 having midget guards & wingmen, a stretch 4 who is barely 6-foot-3 in Mac Baracael. Buti nalang they got PBA reinforcements RDO, Kelly Williams & Jimmy Alapag, yet that team finished 4th in the 2011 FIBA Asia championshp

 

[IPC2]

I rather have long hair than Chot..
Long hair commands respect like a big boss
Long hair does everything to win at all cost...smc, tanduay(sonny alvarado)
Long hair...players respect him
​​​​​​Long hair....has basketball and political will...(look at how he made pba his puppet)
​​​​​Long hair...now has exposure with both uaap and ncaa thru ust and letran
Long hair....confronts players...unlike Chot who is a coward and makes excuse
Long hair.....could trust an intl coach..Tim Cone is foreigner by blood right
Long hair is under SMC...a Filipino company
Long hair talks cool, looks cool..he is a cool boss. Chot, Al, Vargas always makes excuses

All these years we fans thought SMC was the problem as they don't lend players.
But it is obvious now that Chot is the problem....he has not guts to ask for players as his mind is playing political and favorite games in him.

Long hair always said Gilas didn't ask for his players that is why they don't lend...but they always lend Junemar and Japeth...he could be saying the truth.

Just like now Chot's mind is playing with him again...Balti we like him but he is with the MPBL(my bosses might get angry at me)....i rather be a coward than do what is best for the team and make a simple phone call to Delta and Balti.

​​​​​
​​​​​​ETc etc etc

Sorry to disagree with U bro, but SMC is also a problem in Phi basketball. SMC people do have its good share of the problems. Remember how SMC deprived its players - Junmar, Japeth, Tenorio, Lassiter, Paul Lee, from joining Gilas which was coached by Tab Baldwin in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship?

Don't believe Long Hair or anyone from SMC if they say, "We have always supported the national team. Its only about SBP requesting us & informing us in advance". We weren't born yesterday.

Yeah, Boss is a big part of the problem too. Supporting only during the 2nd half of the WC windows, and development for FIBA ain't in his cards, if we're looking at what SMC did with Letran. Only PBA players that were developed for FIBA under his tenure were Jamie Malonzo and Scottie Thompson. Plus, he's hired as an adviser to this SBP group.

I'd rather have neither SMC nor Panlilio and Vargas. Pangilinan was a competent SBP President, but his group, no thanks. Like I said, SMC will be thr same shit.

 

[Rds2]

Yeah, Boss is a big part of the problem too. Supporting only during the 2nd half of the WC windows, and development for FIBA ain't in his cards, if we're looking at what SMC did with Letran. Only PBA players that were developed for FIBA under his tenure were Jamie Malonzo and Scottie Thompson. Plus, he's hired as an adviser to this SBP group.

I'd rather have neither SMC nor Panlilio and Vargas. Pangilinan was a competent SBP President, but his group, no thanks. Like I said, SMC will be thr same shit.

I dont think how Al Chua handled SMC teams, sagip kapatid, biased refereeing, hoarding of bigs in the JF era, is basketball development. I suspect RSA is more a fan of winning than real basketball. Danding spent money but the product on the floor was good basketball and was pretty competitive in international competitions. GSM is all Tim Cone, Al cannot take credit for that. But SMB, with that particular biased finals when Compton called all his timeouts in first few seconds of the game had the hand prints of Al Chua. A team who played its starters 35 to 40 minutes even in the elims. Foul calls that allowed its center to push off driving guards. A team for all its AFC dominance, was spotty with imports and internationally. With its best player always exposed defensively internationally without coddling refs.

Al Chua, along with Kots Leo, basically determined the play style and playing weight. That is not good basketball. It was bully basketball that was exposed internationally. Chua is more an operator that pours in money to make sure his boss’s teams win by hook or crook than a program director that ensures the long term development of his players and teams.

The fact that Junemar against all logic is still contributing now despite breaking his leg is no thanks to Chua. The guy was running smoothly and dunking in fast breaks in his first year and playing slightly under 30 minutes. Thanks to Chua and Leo, Junemar played close to 40 minutes every game at a much heavier weight and almost exclusively in the paint. There is no skill or development in that. Thats just bully ball that didn’t work outside our small pond.

 

[zairex2]

I dont think how Al Chua handled SMC teams, sagip kapatid, biased refereeing, hoarding of bigs in the JF era, is basketball development. I suspect RSA is more a fan of winning than real basketball. Danding spent money but the product on the floor was good basketball and was pretty competitive in international competitions. GSM is all Tim Cone, Al cannot take credit for that. But SMB, with that particular biased finals when Compton called all his timeouts in first few seconds of the game had the hand prints of Al Chua. A team who played its starters 35 to 40 minutes even in the elims. Foul calls that allowed its center to push off driving guards. A team for all its AFC dominance, was spotty with imports and internationally. With its best player always exposed defensively internationally without coddling refs.

Al Chua, along with Kots Leo, basically determined the play style and playing weight. That is not good basketball. It was bully basketball that was exposed internationally. Chua is more an operator that pours in money to make sure his boss’s teams win by hook or crook than a program director that ensures the long term development of his players and teams.

The fact that Junemar against all logic is still contributing now despite breaking his leg is no thanks to Chua. The guy was running smoothly and dunking in fast breaks in his first year and playing slightly under 30 minutes. Thanks to Chua and Leo, Junemar played close to 40 minutes every game at a much heavier weight and almost exclusively in the paint. There is no skill or development in that. Thats just bully ball that didn’t work outside our small pond.

Thats alot of accussations do you have evidence? Or even circumstancial info. I wish this forum won't turn out to be tabloid or fake news central. Especially if we are going to accused people without any evidence. No issue of just opinion on a player performance but accusing people of cheating, crime or game manipulation is another thing

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Yeah, Boss is a big part of the problem too. Supporting only during the 2nd half of the WC windows, and development for FIBA ain't in his cards, if we're looking at what SMC did with Letran. Only PBA players that were developed for FIBA under his tenure were Jamie Malonzo and Scottie Thompson. Plus, he's hired as an adviser to this SBP group.

I'd rather have neither SMC nor Panlilio and Vargas. Pangilinan was a competent SBP President, but his group, no thanks. Like I said, SMC will be thr same shit.

Al Chua did great at making SMC teams strong & dominant in the PBA, but at at the great cost in the balance of competition & fair play, which of course isn't good for Philippine basketball.

 

[Rds2]

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[Rds2]

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[greenarcher2]

Thats alot of accussations do you have evidence? Or even circumstancial info. I wish this forum won't turn out to be tabloid or fake news central. Especially if we are going to accused people without any evidence. No issue of just opinion on a player performance but accusing people of cheating, crime or game manipulation is another thing

You're like the resident self-appointed PAO lawyer for everyone here in IBN, the great defender of the "oppressed"... From Kai to Robert to PeeZones to Choke and now Al and SMC.

Are you a frustrated probono lawyer or something? Does being a self-righteous SJW give you satisfaction? Do you have a need for reassurance and a need to show everyone here that you are "above" lowly forum members who are wrong or unfair in what they say?

Fake news central? That's rich. PeeZones was a fake news factory and yet where were you back then? So PeeZones can express his "opinions" but others cannot? You are soooo quick to react on criticisms but we never heard your reaction when people post non-sensical and downright ridiculous garbage. You are just a selective SJW with your own biases no matter how hard you try to portray yourself as a champion of logic, fairness and neutrality.

I was about to say this forum is the wrong place for Snowflakes. But I think this is the best place for self-righteous holier-than-thou people like you who crave reassurance and attention for whatever reason.

 

[Rds2]

Thats alot of accussations do you have evidence? Or even circumstancial info. I wish this forum won't turn out to be tabloid or fake news central. Especially if we are going to accused people without any evidence. No issue of just opinion on a player performance but accusing people of cheating, crime or game manipulation is another thing

My opinion is not without basis. Comptons timeouts happened. GSM and SMB alternating 30 pt blowouts in a 7 game series did happen. Junemar being allowed to extend his hand to impede driving guards did happen. Van Opstal being drafted and barely being played did happen. Heck CS for a time was barely playing for SMB.

I cant prove they were intentional. But I dont think my opinion that they look that they are can be accused as pure invention. Chua handles all SMC teams and what Ive been saying is happening to all teams with varying levels. So saying it could be Chua orchestrating this is not just plain invention. It is his job after all to maximize wins for all SMC teams. While I cant prove all this there are facts from where they were derived.

Going to NCAA. It was a fact that a Letran player made kuot, pardon the Bisaya, Gozums butt. Many were of the opinion that calls were unduly biased to Letran, allowing them to manhandle CSB.

I am not here to accuse Al of crimes. It is just my opinion that I didnt see any basketball development of teams he has handled that I know of. Heck Tanduay had Alvarado, Menk and Hatfield and they managed to lose. It is my opinion that despite all the victories, Al Chua has not really developed any team.

I was young then but many people attest that the team supported by Danding was competitive internationally. It is also a fact that despite dominating the PBA Junemar has been a defensive liability in Fiba. So both Danding and RSA poured money to PH basketball. But while Danding and Ron Jacobs seemingly developed internationally decent players, the most dominant player in SMC history is an international defensive liability.