Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy2]

Malonzo was used exclusively at 4 too. Man, Chot really likes small ball.

Oftana and Malonzo barely got minutes too. Oftana played fairly well under Tab , well even against lower level comp but still you could see how he played to his strengths.

 

[ja.he2]

A backcourt of Newsome,Clarkson,Dwight,Perez plus wings in Jaime and possibly Thirdy is far more superior both physically and level than 2021 version of Abarrientos,Belangel,Navarro,Heading,Nieto. If we get beaten by DR it'll be because they're at full strength (w/KAT and Al)

Hot take, but for me, a five of Thompson/Newsome, Clarkson, Dwight, Malonzo and AJ/Japeth has a better shot at beating the Dominican Republic than the five of Belangel, Heading, Navarro, Baltazar and Kouame.

We have to bear in mind that the reason why Gilas lost against the Dominican Republic was because of the latter's guard play. SJ, RJ, Heading, Nieto, and Navarro received a beating from the Dominican guards.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Hot take, but for me, a five of Thompson/Newsome, Clarkson, Dwight, Malonzo and AJ/Japeth has a better shot at beating the Dominican Republic than the five of Belangel, Heading, Navarro, Baltazar and Kouame.

We have to bear in mind that the reason why Gilas lost against the Dominican Republic was because of the latter's guard play. SJ, RJ, Heading, Nieto, and Navarro received a beating from the Dominican guards.

While I agree , the 2nd 5 in bold to me fits better for FIBA WC , as compared to the regulars in our current Gilas team that was in Europe, Kiefer , CJ, Thirdy, Erram , Junmar

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Actually Ola can be seen partying with AVO and dressing up as...Oh well...

hehehehe..ok...there you go...

 

[Rds2]

Hot take, but for me, a five of Thompson/Newsome, Clarkson, Dwight, Malonzo and AJ/Japeth has a better shot at beating the Dominican Republic than the five of Belangel, Heading, Navarro, Baltazar and Kouame.

We have to bear in mind that the reason why Gilas lost against the Dominican Republic was because of the latter's guard play. SJ, RJ, Heading, Nieto, and Navarro received a beating from the Dominican guards.

The 5 you say are good in paper but from what we’ve seen Kouame > AJ. Of course JC is there. However, I think even if the C rotation now is much deeper their sturdiness is a bit questionable. And although Malonzo is better than Balti in athleticism and skill, Balti is still taller and longer. That counts for something in the PF position.

 

[ja.he2]

While I agree , the 2nd 5 in bold to me fits better for FIBA WC , as compared to the regulars in our current Gilas team that was in Europe, Kiefer , CJ, Thirdy, Erram , Junmar

I agree about Heading, Baltazar, Navarro and Kouame are more fit in FIBA-brand than those that you have mentioned. However, they may come off-the-bench not as starters. Also, I will not put my trust on SJ Belangel. For a 5'10 guard, that player should be physically strong and athletic to compensate his lack of size. SJ does have skills but lacks both strength and athleticism to keep up with LatAm and Euro guards.

 

[ja.he2]

The 5 you say are good in paper but from what we’ve seen Kouame > AJ. Of course JC is there. However, I think even if the C rotation now is much deeper their sturdiness is a bit questionable. And although Malonzo is better than Balti in athleticism and skill, Balti is still taller and longer. That counts for something in the PF position.

Kouame is still tagged as an NP. So AJ over Kouame although I agree that Kouame is also good. Baltazar can match up with Europeans well because, like them, Baltazar is also a finesse big. However, Baltazar struggled against more athletic and physically stronger Latin Americans, the Dominicans. That's where Gilas needs Malonzo because we need to add athleticism and strength.

 

[carmelo72]

Kouame is still tagged as an NP. So AJ over Kouame although I agree that Kouame is also good. Baltazar can match up with Europeans well because, like them, Baltazar is also a finesse big. However, Baltazar struggled against more athletic and physically stronger Latin Americans, the Dominicans. That's where Gilas needs Malonzo because we need to add athleticism and strength.

Actually if SBP were really serious and had the power to dictate, from the 2021 Gilas we could've retain guys like Balti,Carl,Dwight, Heading & Kai since obviously they're the serious prospects then add Malonzo,Clarkson,Perez,Newsome,JF,Edu and Kiefer.
I dont like the Ravenas but between the 2 Kiefer can be the lead guard and yes no more Japeth.

 

[IPC2]

The next step after moving away from.small guards

Is moving away from.slow bigs (especially at 4 spot). Sorry but internationaly at world.level, guys like Japeth, AJ (post injury) Erran are too slow for the.modern space and pace FIBA game . This is Philippines greatest weakness actually.. it's a gap that when are only legit modern FiBA 4 Malonzo sits , we have to resort to using a wing like Dwight as back up 4. ( yes we are less exposed if we match up in speed as compared to slow footed unfamiliar to perimeter bigs

I always see these guys as natural 5's than 4's.

Yea they are the modern game 5 (can cover PNR), there is a reason why Tab envisioned and was developing Baltazar and Tamayo to be wings, essentially what he was truly saying is they will be modern day FiBA 4s ( which are essentially tall small forwards of the past )

KD, Tatum and Ingram who are NBA SFs are FIBA PFs 4. That's the FIBA game today.

as to small guards , let's not forget it's about levels , regardless of height those NBA south America small guards have the ability to defend , get to the hoop of contact. So unless our small guards.can do the same then it's hard to compete at higher levels.

Yes, I would rather have guys like Japeth, AJ and Erram to man the center slot than the 4 spot. The reason is simple - their skill set as well as their speed/quickness will be better use at the 5 than the 4. You cannot force both Japeth/Junemar and Erram/Japeth on the floor at the same time because we will be slow to defend the PNR and the perimeter.

That a gross generalization of picking athletic over slow center. Well I guess KAT, Looney, Wiseman should be choice over Embiid, Jokic and Lopez. Again it should be seen as totality and not just one factor. Here is the best and worst PnR defenses as of January 2023. If the plauer is not athletic, coaches need to setup a system to minimized this weakness. Like every players

https://twitter.com/NBA_University/status/1610360948971159552?t=Uq2Vr4XxmjV-pKuOwQzRgw&s=19

If you're not as big and/or good as Embiid and Jokic, or even KAT, or any star FIBA big like Haddadi, you should be good at​ defense, protecting the rim (which Embiid and Brook are good at, by the way, even Jokic, at least overall on defense), and/or defending PnR. Also, I think Brook, Jokic and Embiid have mobile frontcourt partners with Giannis in Milwaukee, and Gordon in Denver.

Thing is, Erram and Japeth weren't trained to be quick laterally in the perimeter and to close out. Guys like Balti and Tamayo are better trained to switch and better fits as 4s than Erram and Japeth. I dunno about AJ, hopefully he regains his laterals as a 4.

Point is, if we're going to go with a slow guy at center, we need a quick and long player at 4 (ideally 6'6" and up, or at least a Pingris) to cover for him.

 

[IPC2]

Dude basketball is my sport but i swear lately football especially in the men’s side hits different.

It was a good run and I hope it grow fit all a bit more in the country, but I just it will all go down hill and the corrupt lazy fucks like Araneta will do nothing and cash in on the success.

I just feel winning or making it as competitive as possible could’ve been so much better for football. Just a bad result and if you want football to just simply grow it feels like it failed tonight.

filipinos always look at one good thing and celebrate but you always need to aim higher or understand the process.

​Basketball guy too, man. Got into football a little late.

The scenario you describe, I fear is already happening, or will happen, to Gilas. Just cashing in and doing nothing afterwards. No long-term plan, not much on youth (which really underperformed last year, hope we bounce back), and no long-term replacements, just like we had no long-term replacements for Castro, RDO, Pingris, and Gabe.

 

[ccharmed2]

The sbp must quit chasing kai sotto. He definitely has no real desire to join the national team.

He should just rest then chase his commercial playing dream in japan or south korea. The sbp and the pba may not get to like him at all. He will be happier by chasing money elsewhere.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqy...lIHRhaXBlaSBnYW1lIDIwMjMgZmliYSB3b3JsZCBjdXA=

This is perhaps the Lithuanian universiade team that Gilas faced in Lithuania. It looked a very competitive team.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

The sbp must quit chasing kai sotto. He definitely has no real desire to join the national team.

He should just rest then chase his commercial playing dream in japan or south korea. The sbp and the pba may not get to like him at all. He will be happier by chasing money elsewhere.

I think kung si Kai lang ang masusunod, he is more than willing to play for Gilas. Its his "mukang pera" handlers who don't want him to play with Gilas becoz they are obssesed with that NBA dream. I sensed that during the 6th window in which Kai's handlers prevented him from playing for Gilas.

Its these mukang perang agents of Kai who is destroying his basketball career.

 

[TheRodster212]

If you're not as big and/or good as Embiid and Jokic, or even KAT, or any star FIBA big like Haddadi, you should be good at​ defense, protecting the rim (which Embiid and Brook are good at, by the way, even Jokic, at least overall on defense), and/or defending PnR. Also, I think Brook, Jokic and Embiid have mobile frontcourt partners with Giannis in Milwaukee, and Gordon in Denver.

Thing is, Erram and Japeth weren't trained to be quick laterally in the perimeter and to close out. Guys like Balti and Tamayo are better trained to switch and better fits as 4s than Erram and Japeth. I dunno about AJ, hopefully he regains his laterals as a 4.

Point is, if we're going to go with a slow guy at center, we need a quick and long player at 4 (ideally 6'6" and up, or at least a Pingris) to cover for him.

I’m actually impressed with AJ, hadn’t seen his recent highlights but saw a video of him recently and he looks like he’s filled out his frame and his laterals still look good. I honestly think he’s a better defender than Kai right now.

 

[zairex2]

If you're not as big and/or good as Embiid and Jokic, or even KAT, or any star FIBA big like Haddadi, you should be good at​ defense, protecting the rim (which Embiid and Brook are good at, by the way, even Jokic, at least overall on defense), and/or defending PnR. Also, I think Brook, Jokic and Embiid have mobile frontcourt partners with Giannis in Milwaukee, and Gordon in Denver.

Thing is, Erram and Japeth weren't trained to be quick laterally in the perimeter and to close out. Guys like Balti and Tamayo are better trained to switch and better fits as 4s than Erram and Japeth. I dunno about AJ, hopefully he regains his laterals as a 4.

Point is, if we're going to go with a slow guy at center, we need a quick and long player at 4 (ideally 6'6" and up, or at least a Pingris) to cover for him.

Actually Jokic, Embiid are 110 plus DRtg, which is not good. But again their team will compensate on their weakness with strategy that minimize their short coming. As you said their Net Rtg is good overall, but some are judging players based on height and quickness alone.

Japeth ha good lateral by the way. Seeing him block a close every tournament. His issue is reading plays, jumping on fakes and physicality of opponents, similar to Abando.

Here's a link on NBA stats


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense?CF=MIN*GE*30:GP*GE*50&SeasonType=Regular%2 0Season&dir=D&sort=DEF_RATING

 

[DAdmiral2]

Given Kai's lack of body of work , with limited preperation, i actually have questions if he can make a significant impact for Gilas in such short notice.
it's not like he's a vastly superior player (not NBA material or even NBL starters minutes).

The premise of him.being a Haddadi or Zhou for Gilas is he would prepare like the 2 as the focal point of the team, but like it is currently panning out, he won't have a significant impact as he's not import hugot level player.

 

[Bonifacio2]

Given Kai's lack of body of work , with limited preperation, i actually have questions if he can make a significant impact for Gilas in such short notice.
it's not like he's a vastly superior player (not NBA material or even NBL starters minutes).

The premise of him.being a Haddadi or Zhou for Gilas is he would prepare like the 2 as the focal point of the team, but like it is currently panning out, he won't have a significant impact as he's not import hugot level player.

So you are basically saying that he has no upside over any of Japeth, Fajardo or Edu?

 

[DAdmiral2]

So you are basically saying that he has no upside over any of Japeth, Fajardo or Edu?

With super less preperation, yes his talent alone can't compensate for lack preperation..
GILAS can't out talent WC level teams, but have to beat them with superior team play and chemistry. Which Kai won't have .
he isnt of the talent level where he can make an impact with little preperation.

 

[Marsh Mello2]

At least with these old vets, you are sure of one thing: Commitment. Availability is the best ability ika nga (as what they say)
It is frustrating how our preparation has come down to this.

 

[greenarcher2]

We had years to prepare but ultimately still ended up with our usual problem - chemistry, familiarity and preparation.