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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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Yeah, the MPBL, which has been crucified by most posters for being a glorified barangay league and a betting league, has a better, more organized and more defined tournament format.

and I'm one of those critics, boy I was wrong, didnt expect this league to last this long, they found its niche market, the average bball fan who couldnt care less or have no idea about the level of play/quality of basketball as long as the common elements of pinoy basketball is there (i.e. those hard fouls).
 
and I'm one of those critics, boy I was wrong, didnt expect this league to last this long, they found its niche market, the average bball fan who couldnt care less or have no idea about the level of play/quality of basketball as long as the common elements of pinoy basketball is there (i.e. those hard fouls).

In fairness, I dont see many hard fouls in the Pampanga games. Most of their players are lean and tall for their positions. Maybe its because of their talent level and depth, they rely more on skill, athleticism and speed. They dont have the semi pro types who rely on strength and gulang. It helps also they have Balti and other rim protectors.
 
Which is their doing very good at. Imagine they have the most inconsistent home and away scheme yet people willcrave for that level of basketball especially if youre team is winning..

Actually having 3 games in the same venue seems more practical. Easier logistics and media coverage I guess. I am not sure if they do that in the non Luzon games.
 
In fairness, I dont see many hard fouls in the Pampanga games. Most of their players are lean and tall for their positions. Maybe its because of their talent level and depth, they rely more on skill, athleticism and speed. They dont have the semi pro types who rely on strength and gulang. It helps also they have Balti and other rim protectors.

Delta's pampanga team feels like its on the same level as blackwater/terrafirma
 
MPBL could have had a representative in the Gilas - Justine Baltazar. Unfortunately, he was not included in the pool.

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for me, what MPBL needs to do now is to open the league to imports (an FSA will do) and increase the number of Fil-Fors (lift the height restrictions). not gonna happen though.
 
Delta's pampanga team feels like its on the same level as blackwater/terrafirma

Yes. Balti is obviously talented. Serrano is still PBA level. JLC has potential. Liwag after Balti has the highest potential. The others also actually have potential to play in the BW/TF teams. They seem to have PBA level height, skill and athleticism. They have 6’0 PG, 6’1 SG, 6’3 SF, 6’5 PF, 6’7 C. All these guys can defend and score.

MPBL teams are actually a good venue for players planning to go to the PBA. I guess they are good in protecting younger players from the wily old timers.
 
for me, what MPBL needs to do now is to open the league to imports (an FSA will do) and increase the number of Fil-Fors (lift the height restrictions). not gonna happen though.

Not sure about the FSAs. But giving even one unlimited height slot for a Filfor will increase the competitiveness while not changing the homegrown feel of the teams.

This is a vague rule though. There are some mixed descent guys there. Guys like Espinas. Pingris played with no problems. So I dont think officially the 6’2 Filfor height exists. But in practice there are rarely Filfors and no young ones.
 
Not sure about the FSAs. But giving even one unlimited height slot for a Filfor will increase the competitiveness while not changing the homegrown feel of the teams.

This is a vague rule though. There are some mixed descent guys there. Guys like Espinas. Pingris played with no problems. So I dont think officially the 6’2 Filfor height exists. But in practice there are rarely Filfors and no young ones.

I guess them local-bred mixed Pinoy guys are exempted from that rule.

What i'd like to happen is for the MPBL to increase the slots for Fil-for guys but with the condition that they'd be Hagop-rule eligible.

That's going to kick the competitiveness up another notch.
 
I guess them local-bred mixed Pinoy guys are exempted from that rule.

What i'd like to happen is for the MPBL to increase the slots for Fil-for guys but with the condition that they'd be Hagop-rule eligible.

That's going to kick the competitiveness up another notch.

I doubt this will happen during Duremdes' term, along with Marlou Aquino, they were the strongest opponent of fil-foriegn players. (Sta Lucia was in perpetual mediocrity with Duremdes, Espino and Aquino back in the day). No idea if Pacquiao shares the same sentiment though
 
Not sure about the FSAs. But giving even one unlimited height slot for a Filfor will increase the competitiveness while not changing the homegrown feel of the teams.

This is a vague rule though. There are some mixed descent guys there. Guys like Espinas. Pingris played with no problems. So I dont think officially the 6’2 Filfor height exists. But in practice there are rarely Filfors and no young ones.

I guess them local-bred mixed Pinoy guys are exempted from that rule.
What i'd like to happen is for the MPBL to increase the slots for Fil-for guys but with the condition that they'd be Hagop-rule eligible.

That's going to kick the competitiveness up another notch.

I doubt this will happen during Duremdes' term, along with Marlou Aquino, they were the strongest opponent of fil-foriegn players. (Sta Lucia was in perpetual mediocrity with Duremdes, Espino and Aquino back in the day). No idea if Pacquiao shares the same sentiment though

In practice, we're all mixed. As long as you're Filipino, no one should give a crap. I do concur with Rodbi for now in that Hagop rule eligible Filipinos should play. Just increase the quality of the competition.
 
I doubt this will happen during Duremdes' term, along with Marlou Aquino, they were the strongest opponent of fil-foriegn players. (Sta Lucia was in perpetual mediocrity with Duremdes, Espino and Aquino back in the day). No idea if Pacquiao shares the same sentiment though

Yeah, they still have the old mindset. It is what it is and it would be hard to blame them, but if they would only loosen up a bit, they'll realize that the talent gap between the local-bred vs the overseas-based ones (well, except for those deemed good enough for the NBA/Euroleague/ANZ NBL) is no longer that much of a big deal, almost negligible, even.

So if it's the threat of those guys taking away the jobs of our local-bred guys is what the old heads are constantly keeping at bay, then i think it's a bit overblown.
 
In practice, we're all mixed. As long as you're Filipino, no one should give a crap. I do concur with Rodbi for now in that Hagop rule eligible Filipinos should play. Just increase the quality of the competition.

diba, there's no pure Filipino to begin with , Benedict Anderson (Imagined Comminuties) says hi..
 
Which is their doing very good at. Imagine they have the most inconsistent home and away scheme yet people willcrave for that level of basketball especially if youre team is winning..

I agree. They just fulfilling market that is under service by PBA.
 
Ive argued this before. Just try it since if Ola cant get an exemption then Ange has zero shot. Good for the present and planning for the future.

Yes Sir got it..for now its really a zero thing.

Between the two Ak34 has a fighting chance because he already obtained his PH Passport compared to Ola.

I really do hope that there would be an influential guy or group of people who had the resources and time to do the paperworks/legworks as far as processing for their respective merits.
 
diba, there's no pure Filipino to begin with , Benedict Anderson (Imagined Comminuties) says hi..

In my view, it ain't even an ethnolinguistic group like Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Bicolanos, Waray, Tausug, Badjao, Cebuanos, Ilonggos, Kapampangans, etc. Filipinos are composed of the ethnic groups I mentioned, plus naturalized citizens which come from ethnolinguistic groups outside the Philippines.

Filipino ain't a race, nor even an ethnolinguistic group. It's a nationality and a citizenship, which is defined by law. Our law (specifically Constitution) says that if you have one Filipino citizen as a parent or are a naturalized citizen, you're a Filipino.
 
In my view, it ain't even an ethnolinguistic group like Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Bicolanos, Waray, Tausug, Badjao, Cebuanos, Ilonggos, Kapampangans, etc. Filipinos are composed of the ethnic groups I mentioned, plus naturalized citizens which come from ethnolinguistic groups outside the Philippines.

Filipino ain't a race, nor even an ethnolinguistic group. It's a nationality and a citizenship, which is defined by law. Our law (specifically Constitution) says that if you have one Filipino citizen as a parent or are a naturalized citizen, you're a Filipino.

heck the term Filipino originally referred to the Spaniards who were born here, it was Rizal who was one of the 1st scholars who claimed the term Filipino for the natives (Indios). No different from the premise of being a American.
 
Yes Sir got it..for now its really a zero thing.

Between the two Ak34 has a fighting chance because he already obtained his PH Passport compared to Ola.

I really do hope that there would be an influential guy or group of people who had the resources and time to do the paperworks/legworks as far as processing for their respective merits.

Ola's name has been floating around here since forever and it's been years now and nothing has happened. I wonder why he hasn't applied for citizenship considering how much he likes living in the Philippines and the culture .I've even seen him play in some ligang labas in Batangas..
 
May I ask a question, if Euro is the way to be better then why Korea and Japan had no wins in WC. This is honest question.

For basketball and football? I don’t know what you mean. There are like no Asians in European basketball and it’s clear the second best players after the NBa are in a Europe.

Cause those euros probably suck lol. Euroleague has best Europeans and NBA rejects who are still better than most of the world.

I mean is people suggest we do euro plays rather than DDO. Japan and Korea NT has been using euro plays without much success in WC. Why is that?

Despite the lack of basketball popularity in their respective countries...

SoKor has been consistently a thorn on our basketball-crazy side. And Japan has been steadily improving in terms of world level. Paying attention especially to their women's team (women's game does not require as much athleticism and height) shows the advantage of their system.

And when it comes to evaluating the "euro style"...well it has enabled less-talented european countries to defeat the americans. By now, US and most countries has basically adapted a lot of the principles. So it's not like adapting it will make you instant world-beaters. What it does is offer a system where the sum is greater than the parts.

We are stereotyping Euroball as some kind of ball movement system offensively. In fact, Euroleague team systems allow for pull-ups and shot creation from skilled players.​ The underlying principle is the same, though. Move to open positions, or create good looks, with or without the ball. Smart movement and cutting will get you easier scores. That's the point of the system. Get easier scores.

Based on what I said, we can adopt ball movement and player movement principles without compromising our ability to go 1-on-1 and create for ourselves. The point is, create easier looks.
 
We are stereotyping Euroball as some kind of ball movement system offensively. In fact, Euroleague team systems allow for pull-ups and shot creation from skilled players.​ The underlying principle is the same, though. Move to open positions, or create good looks, with or without the ball. Smart movement and cutting will get you easier scores. That's the point of the system. Get easier scores.

Based on what I said, we can adopt ball movement and player movement principles without compromising our ability to go 1-on-1 and create for ourselves. The point is, create easier looks.

just to answer the question of zairex why does japan and korea can't win a game in a world cup it's simple a copycat will still be less effective against the original, but it will be effective against lesser competition who do not implement the same style
 
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