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JOI2dWorld2
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just a question for those who were already old enough during the NCC days as i was born in 1990, how successful they are compare and what is the difference between them and the current program
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zairex2
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just a question for those who were already old enough during the NCC days as i was born in 1990, how successful they are compare and what is the difference between them and the current program
They won important tournaments like ABC(Fiba Asia now), that qualify us to WC in Spain in 1986. Beaten D1 selections in Jones cup. We can say we were the best in Asia at that time. We do have 3 NPs but the rest of the teams were amateurs.
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CoJ2
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just a question for those who were already old enough during the NCC days as i was born in 1990, how successful they are compare and what is the difference between them and the current program
difficult to gauge since the NCC program existed prior the open era of basketball (pros were not yet allowed to play FIBA tourneys until the 90s). Important to note that the program was able to qualify for the 1986 FIBA world championship but was not able to compete due to the EDSA revolution. Furthermore, the team was a regular fixture/successful in the ABC and William Jones Cup, though Asia has yet to fully embrace basketball during the 80s.
Biggest difference with today's basketball landscape, no basketball stakeholder dared to question/mess with Boss Danding, he is also open to hiring foreign coaches and multiple naturalized players for technology transfer. To be fair, it was during Martial law and ECJ was part of Marcos' inner circle.
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C2Hamm2
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If they prove me wrong with UST and if they send players overseas for training and development up to college, great.
thats a tall ask given they are still working with UST. so far, i have not seen any moves that we can attribute to long hair aside from the players who transferred. i cant really give them the fil-ams because most of those were via Coach Bal and Coach Allan. some people were saying UST will parade a team this summer, so far wala. historically same, IPEA uses the summer to get the athletes to catch up with their studies. are the HS recruits (most from San Beda with CSB connection?) related to long hair's management? if not, the mercenary transfer lng tlaga so far. we might see something in the coming months, but doing something that historically IPEA doesnt allow would be surprising.
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C2Hamm2
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just a question for those who were already old enough during the NCC days as i was born in 1990, how successful they are compare and what is the difference between them and the current program
biggest difference is they are technically NOT under the PBA. which means, PBA can keep doing what they are doing and there is no adverse effect to the national team. so fans are happy watching PBA and was also happy watching NCC. always, there would be fans who would ask the what ifs but because the 2 entities were separate, whatever feedback there was (good or bad) it mostly just hit 1 entity and not the other. unlike now, lahat damay damay.
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IPC2
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thats a tall ask given they are still working with UST. so far, i have not seen any moves that we can attribute to long hair aside from the players who transferred. i cant really give them the fil-ams because most of those were via Coach Bal and Coach Allan. some people were saying UST will parade a team this summer, so far wala. historically same, IPEA uses the summer to get the athletes to catch up with their studies. are the HS recruits (most from San Beda with CSB connection?) related to long hair's management? if not, the mercenary transfer lng tlaga so far. we might see something in the coming months, but doing something that historically IPEA doesnt allow would be surprising.
My statement "If they prove me wrong with UST " is referring to SMC developing players with UST. Can they develop players worthy of a call-up to the NT, and good enough for overseas leagues?
Kasi, SMC's track record in developing Gilas-worthy players with Letran ain't the best, with only Abando making a Gilas roster.
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reamily2
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My statement "If they prove me wrong with UST " is referring to SMC developing players with UST. Can they develop players worthy of a call-up to the NT, and good enough for overseas leagues?
Kasi, SMC's track record in developing Gilas-worthy players with Letran ain't the best, with only Abando making a Gilas roster.
to be fair the louie sanggalang's, the Fran yu's, the brent paraiso's the kurt reyson's.. they playing beyond their potential and we can say that the letran team who among them are batang gials worthy (even fran yu is aborderline gilas memeber).. What more with the SJ moores perhaps
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JOI2dWorld2
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so its basically the same program that gilas 1 tried to emulate, but with the current landscape it's hard to replicate unless SBP is willing to pay the players close to what they can earn if they play professionally in the Philippines or abroad. If they will try it again i think they should apply as the second franchise team in EASL , then compete as a guest team in leagues around asia while there's still no international tournament,
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C2Hamm2
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so its basically the same program that gilas 1 tried to emulate, but with the current landscape it's hard to replicate unless SBP is willing to pay the players close to what they can earn if they play professionally in the Philippines or abroad. If they will try it again i think they should apply as the second franchise team in EASL , then compete as a guest team in leagues around asia while there's still no international tournament,
isnt paying the players outside of allowance prohibited under FIBA? i may be wrong but i think thats why most players are professionals who just get called up. a club team pays them and they just get "lent" to don the flag.
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IPC2
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To be fair chance s with tab in the helm and chot in the helm is the same lol.. what were missing is tab palying it right and be good long term..
i maybe a minority here but I really prefer tab in building the team but once theyre ready..chot will inherit it and supplant ddo concepts as the basic foundation tab taught will be used during the teams "downtime".. as chots team has tendency to start hot and have cold dry spells that you think that chot isnt adjusting to other teams counter adjusments..
But this team chot inherited isnt really cooked yet..
So, Tab's foundation of tough defense and ball movement system, alongside Chot's DDO concepts?
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sroth38392
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So, Tab's foundation of tough defense and ball movement system, alongside Chot's DDO concepts?
That’s basically our 2015 FIBA Asian Championship system.
It works because Chot’s DDO assumes everyone has the athleticism and skill to Dribble-Drive.
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IPC2
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That’s basically our 2015 FIBA Asian Championship system.
It works because Chot’s DDO assumes everyone has the athleticism and skill to Dribble-Drive.
That was true also for 2013-14. Tab was part of the coaching staff too.
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IPC2
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To be fair chance s with tab in the helm and chot in the helm is the same lol.. what were missing is tab palying it right and be good long term..
i maybe a minority here but I really prefer tab in building the team but once theyre ready..chot will inherit it and supplant ddo concepts as the basic foundation tab taught will be used during the teams "downtime".. as chots team has tendency to start hot and have cold dry spells that you think that chot isnt adjusting to other teams counter adjusments..
But this team chot inherited isnt really cooked yet..
This is such a load of horse excrement. "Inherited" is such a huge insult to people who really care for the national team. If chot truly wants to inherit Coach tabs team, why didn't he retain the same core then? Why are we back again with the hugot system, something that Coach Tab avoided at all cost? He didn't inherit it, it's a hostile takeover of the team, Chot and his BCAP buddies would rather see the team suffer and lose with "pure blooded" filipino coach, than see it succeed with a foreign coach like Tab Baldwin, simple as.
I think there's also that pressure from the PBA bigwigs to include a good number of PBA marque players in the Gilas pool. PBA wants to be well represented in the 2023 World Cup. As I kept on saying, PBA badly wants to ride the 2023 FIBA World Cup bandwagon. I think SBP (especially Al Panlilio & Ricky Vargas) & PBA wanted Tab Baldwin out of the World Cup-bound Gilas team/pool becoz they knew that Tab as Gilas head coach might only include 2 or 3 PBA players in the final 12-man roster of Gilas. If coach Tab was retained as Gilas coach, he probably would not have included a Junmar Fajardo or a Japeth or a CJ Perez in the Gilas pool. PBA obviously doesn't want that.
This is a big reason why we want these too-PBA-centric guys out. They'd rather see themselves be more relevant with the NT (even at the cost of competitiveness; although guys like Japeth, Scottie, Malonzo, Oftana, and Navarro are useful) than taking actual steps to fix the PBA (which means personal interest might be negatively affected) and sacrificing (less games and less representation) for the NT.
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zairex2
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This is a big reason why we want these too-PBA-centric guys out. They'd rather see themselves be more relevant with the NT (even at the cost of competitiveness; although guys like Japeth, Scottie, Malonzo, Oftana, and Navarro are useful) than taking actual steps to fix the PBA (which means personal interest might be negatively affected) and sacrificing (less games and less representation) for the NT.
The Gilas 1 and Tab Gilas had the same plan. But once this players need to earn more money, they end up to be professional. And they don't have enough tournaments to stay in shape and competitive while in Gilas.
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ja.he2
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The Gilas 1 and Tab Gilas had the same plan. But once this players need to earn more money, they end up to be professional. And they don't have enough tournaments to stay in shape and competitive while in Gilas.
The best compromise here is to pick the same players the way other national teams have been doing it. Gilas actually did the same from 2013 and before the brawl.
During this period, we had a core of Jason Castro, RDO, Pingris, Norwood, Japeth, Blatche and Junemar. Then, Abueva and Terrence Romeo were incorporated to the team. Then, Jalalon, CBC, Almazan, Wright, Pogoy, Kiefer and Troy also came. They may only practice for a couple of weeks but they were already familiar which each other since they had been teammates in the National Team since 2013.
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JAMSKIE2
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The best compromise here pick the same players the way other national teams. Gilas actually did the same from 2013 and before the brawl.
During this period, we had a core of Jason Castro, RDO, Pingris, Norwood, Japeth, Blatche and Junemar. Then, Abueva and Terrence Romeo were incorporated to the team. Then, Jalalon, CBC, Almazan, Wright, Pogoy, Kiefer and Troy also came. They may only practice for a couple of weeks but they were already familiar which each other since they had been teammates in the National Team since 2013.
The biggest hindrance to that is the PBA calendar not synchronize with FIBA calendar. It was possible for Gilas to maintain a nucleus of 8 to 9 players that played FIBA games & other international tourneys & tune up games during the 2012 to 2016 period becoz PBA had an off-season during the July, August & September period which are the months FIBA & other international tourneys are held.
PBA scheduled its off season from May to late September this year to give way to Gilas preparation for the World Cup, but perhaps becoz we are one of hosts & world level basketball na kasi.
My million question would be: Would the PBA do the same for the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup?
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JAMSKIE2
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My take is, this would only be possible (maintain a core of 8 to 9 players in a 5 to 6 years cycle so as to establish cohesion/chemistry) if the bulk of that core would be players not playing in the PBA. It should be players playing in Japan, South Korea, Australia or elsewhere basta hindi sa PBA.
As I've said a No. of times, the more Pinoy marque or quality players playing abroad, the better for Philippine basketball.
PBA is the poison that is killing Philippine basketball.
My take is, this would only be possible (maintain a core of 8 to 9 players in a 5 to 6 years cycle so as to establish cohesion/chemistry) if the bulk of that core would be players not playing in the PBA. It should be players playing in Japan, South Korea, Australia or elsewhere basta hindi sa PBA.
As I've said a No. of times, the more Pinoy marque or quality players playing abroad, the better for Philippine basketball.
PBA is the poison that is killing Philippine basketball.
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IPC2
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^
My take is, this would only be possible (maintain a core of 8 to 9 players in a 5 to 6 years cycle so as to establish cohesion/chemistry) if the bulk of that core would be players not playing in the PBA. It should be players playing in Japan, South Korea, Australia or elsewhere basta hindi sa PBA.
As I've said a No. of times, the more Pinoy marque or quality players playing abroad, the better for Philippine basketball.
PBA is the poison that is killing Philippine basketball.
Yeah, I agree. Maintain a core of players that are continuously available. If that means a core that is spread across Japan, SoKor, Europe, and Aussie, so be it.
We have to start identifying pieces of our core soon after the WC. Kai, AJ, Dwight, Parks, and some others. Recall players like Carl, Balti, Heading, RJ. And we need a new coach that can integrate young pieces like Francis Lopez, Mason Amos, maybe Mark Belmonte and Jared Bahay with our veterans like Parks. Preferably someone with a good eye for defense, because with how we view hustle, we should be focusing on that end. Will Navarro sana, but he's stuck in the PBA for the forseeable future.
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JAMSKIE2
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Yeah, I agree. Maintain a core of players that are continuously available. If that means a core that is spread across Japan, SoKor, Europe, and Aussie, so be it.
We have to start identifying pieces of our core soon after the WC. Kai, AJ, Dwight, Parks, and some others. Recall players like Carl, Balti, Heading, RJ. And we need a new coach that can integrate young pieces like Francis Lopez, Mason Amos, maybe Mark Belmonte and Jared Bahay with our veterans like Parks. Preferably someone with a good eye for defense, because with how we view hustle, we should be focusing on that end. Will Navarro sana, but he's stuck in the PBA for the forseeable future.
Too bad that Malonzo, & Thompson are in the PBA & malabo maglaro overseas. I think it is a consensus that these 2 guys could easily make the core of Gilas in the next 4 to 5 years if only their availability isn't a problem. 2 other good Gilas materials playing in the PBA are Will Navarro & Oftana.
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JAMSKIE2
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BTW guys, what's the update on Dalph Panopio? How is he developing in the US? He could be a potential Gilas point guard prospect. Remember, the kid is 6-foot-1 & a natural point guard at that.