Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Here’s my own personal interpretation of that so-called Protectionism that is very OFF to me..really.

First thing first those Catholic schools especially those from NCAA should re-consider their previous banning on FSA. Instead of bannering the narrative about deprivation of Filipinos chances of occupying a roster spot the main reason why they’ve agreed to implement such thing, they should preach the essence of a religion that there is no color nor ethnicity, no rich nor poor in the eyes of the beholder especially in the worship house where his spirit dwells. And if those Catholic priest(s) preaches what’s on their usual homily that schools on its entirety are almost considered as a worship house wherein it’s not only teaches the knowledge of the earth but also the knowledge of the scripture. And sports, even though it’s not literally in the writings in the holy scripture but the wisdom and the essence of encouraging all the children of the beholder to be involve in physical activities to make once body(considered as a spiritual temple) to be mentally, spiritually and physically strong and healthy and develop fair play are all in the holy scripture. I think if only those modern day Padre Damaso and Padre Salvi practices what’s on their usual homily then that restriction on FSA should not be implemented after all.
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[DAdmiral2]

What are the incentives for players to play in UAAP aside from scholarship?

Do they have salaries? If yes how much?,
​​​Do they have allowances? If yes how much?

Can can teams recruit good players fil ams from the US like Dwight, Koon, Philips etc? I guess scholarship is the least priority for incentives

Let's be honest for the top recruits , ( not all) it's essentially a semi pro league, and recruits are pros.. just to be blunt about it, Mbala, Taane didn't move for education put for pay.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

It really brightens my mood seing 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 small forwards & combo forwards like Quiambao, Francis Lopez, Chico Briones & Jonel Policarpio in collegiate basketball.

Hope these guys develop well & be serviceable to the national team in the very near future.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Michael Phillips and Brandon Ganuelas-Rosser expressed their willingness to see action / practice with world cup team, my gosh... and we won't even try to get Phillips exempted but will try Brownlee , this is insane..

Read more at: https://sports.tribune.net.ph/2023/05/30/edu-arrives-gilas-shape-up/​

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Michael Phillips and Brandon Ganuelas-Rosser expressed their willingness to see action / practice with world cup team, my gosh... and we won't even try to get Phillips exempted but will try Brownlee , this is insane..

Read more at: https://sports.tribune.net.ph/2023/05/30/edu-arrives-gilas-shape-up/​

What do U think is the reason why SBP seems not that interested to apply for exemption for Mike Philipps before FIBA? Is it becoz Philipps is just a role player & not a go-to-guy type like a Standhardinger or Brownlee?

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

SBP should be fully aware that lobbying for Michael Philips, BGR, AK34 and Jason Perkins for exemption considering those lads had a fighting chance to be approve immediately because of their strong merits.

 

[sroth38392]

What do U think is the reason why SBP seems not that interested to apply for exemption for Mike Philipps before FIBA? Is it becoz Philipps is just a role player & not a go-to-guy type like a Standhardinger or Brownlee?

JB32 is more marketable and a direct RSA guy.

 

[reamily2]

Because Mike is a local, you just need a query not an exemption request as he checks all the checkboxes..

 

[k3ttch2]

Michael Phillips and Brandon Ganuelas-Rosser expressed their willingness to see action / practice with world cup team, my gosh... and we won't even try to get Phillips exempted but will try Brownlee , this is insane..

Read more at: https://sports.tribune.net.ph/2023/05/30/edu-arrives-gilas-shape-up/​

The Phillips Brothers need to build up a little bit more residency here. Plus if they get exemptions that means the B-League is open to them and it's in the PBA's best interests to keep them playing here.

 

[Metta2]

It really brightens my mood seing 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 small forwards & combo forwards like Quiambao, Francis Lopez, Chico Briones & Jonel Policarpio in collegiate basketball.

Hope these guys develop well & be serviceable to the national team in the very near future.

And this is made possible by having legit-big FSA and skilled-big Filfors.

We've touched on this before...since our system is too incompetent to send our best youth prospects overseas to develop against better competition, we have to bring in as much tough competition as possible. There needs to be at least one development league (so far UAAP) where international-size is the standard, and where talent will not be diluted.

We can't sacrifice the development of our very best (those who can hang/play well vs these filfors and FSAs) just so we can accommodate those who can't. We have plenty of other school leagues for them.

 

[DAdmiral2]

What do U think is the reason why SBP seems not that interested to apply for exemption for Mike Philipps before FIBA? Is it becoz Philipps is just a role player & not a go-to-guy type like a Standhardinger or Brownlee?

Plain and simple self interest pf powers that be , he will had get a huge offer from.B league if declared eligible..
the SBP are the gatekeepers, and they answer basically to enterprise like SMC and owners who are boosters of UAAP teams, it not Lasalle per se , the the power boosters

 

[DAdmiral2]

Because Mike is a local, you just need a query not an exemption request as he checks all the checkboxes..

Mike is practically guaranteed for an approved exemption NOW If SBP pursued exemption now , not his older brother due to age of residency having significant weight..

Same with Rosser lookig at his age of establishing residency , it goes agaisnt the principles if he was raised and developed locally (Basketball developed heritage), note it's not mere residency or domestic play, you have to demonstrate you were developed by a local program

 

[IPC2]

I really have no problem with the UAAP having a arms race, recruit pa more foreigners pinoy or none Pinoy. This is the eco system working in our favor to improve the level of competition at youth development level in the county. It is a very good example of resources gained via commercialism channeled to the right area for "basketball development.

Do people not see this ? I tell you , people in Australia envy the collegiate scene in the Philippines giving opportunities for High school graduates to continue their basketball careers.

Yeah. At least the UAAP's producing players who can compete internationally and those who can play overseas. If we can't get players in Aussie, Europe, and NCAA D1, at least improve the competition here first (although the former three are preferable if we're talking development).

I'm curious, though, if the UAAP level is great for youth competition, why hasn't that level exponentially improved in the PBA? If the collegiate level is good, shouldn't that be the same with the pros?

 

[DAdmiral2]

I'm curious, though, if the UAAP level is great for youth competition, why hasn't that level exponentially improved in the PBA? If the collegiate level is good, shouldn't that be the same with the pros?

It doesn't necessary follow, here is why , assume for awhile that geo graphic location of leagues is now irrelevant as the world is now global ( anyone can move to another country regardless where the league is base) . Now assume for the Asian region , the UAAP is the premier collegiate league (attracts the best talent in the region for college players) , now assume for a pro league the premier leagues in terms of pay and level are the CBA and B- league , therefore they attract the best pro age and level players in the region. ( note a domestic pro league purely based in Manila as compared to National pro leagues across huge economies of China and Japan will naturally attract better players ) .

It works for the US as div 1 NCAA players ( the premier collegiate competition in the world) naturally move to the premier pro league in the world ( the NBA) , it doesn't work for the Asian region, as while it can be argued the UAAP is the premier college league in Asia (talent and pay) , the PBA and Manila is a small fish in the whole of Asia (and is NOT the premier Pro league in Asia)

 

[DAdmiral2]

This natural eco system of school competition is illustrated in New Zealand. While High school level basketball in new zealand is relative of good quality ( 6' 8 centers ,6' 2 guards all hoping to secure a US div 1 scholarship ) .. the pro league NZ NBL is by far a super inferior pro league , (the NZ NBL is essentially for those who do not make it to the next level overseas, and is for 2nd tier local talent ) , the reality of the situation is since Manila is really small in relative terms compared to whole of Asia .. it cannot really be the landing spot for our best college players to aspire to play in , or else we simply will not be globally competitive.

 

[IPC2]

It doesn't necessary follow, here is why , assume for awhile that geo graphic location of leagues is now irrelevant as the world is now global ( anyone can move to another country regardless where the league is base) . Now assume for the Asian region , the UAAP is the premier collegiate league (attracts the best talent in the region for college players) , now assume for a pro league the premier leagues in terms of pay and level are the CBA and B- league , therefore they attract the best pro age and level players in the region. ( note a domestic pro league purely based in Manila as compared to National pro leagues across huge economies of China and Japan will naturally attract better players ) .

It works for the US as div 1 NCAA players ( the premier collegiate competition in the world) naturally move to the premier pro league in the world ( the NBA) , it doesn't work for the Asian region, as while it can be argued the UAAP is the premier college league in Asia (talent and pay) , the PBA and Manila is a small fish in the whole of Asia (and is NOT the premier Pro league in Asia)

Oh, so same reason why promising football players in Europe move to Spain, England, and Italy, sometimes Germany. Better pay and level of competition than Russia, Ukraine, old Yugoslavia. That kinda explains it.

And, yeah, I should have taken note of the exodus (this is coming from a staunch advocate of the exodus, hahaha). I think for now, based on EASL performance and full-time players, the PBA is the lowest level league in the EASL, lower than even Taiwan. I need someone to verify, but I think the level of West Asian countries is higher than that in the PBA. As the EASL showed, we have a lot of catching up to do.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Even for youth hotbeds of talent like Lithuania for basketball and Brazil for Football, they don't aspire to play in their domestic pro league, but dream big NBA or Euro league

 

[ja.he2]

Oh, so same reason why promising football players in Europe move to Spain, England, and Italy, sometimes Germany. Better pay and level of competition than Russia, Ukraine, old Yugoslavia. That kinda explains it.

And, yeah, I should have taken note of the exodus (this is coming from a staunch advocate of the exodus, hahaha). I think for now, based on EASL performance and full-time players, the PBA is the lowest level league in the EASL, lower than even Taiwan. I need someone to verify, but I think the level of West Asian countries is higher than that in the PBA. As the EASL showed, we have a lot of catching up to do.

The level is low because the league restricts itself.

- One import per team - some will say that maintaining two imports is hard because of the combined salary. This is a false dillema because you can actually sign FSAs in UAAP or in any collegiate leagues here in the Philippines. Their salaries are relatively lower than American imports.

- Height cap for imports - some will say that the best imports are those within 6'5-6'9 range. Big imports are slow and less exciting while the Philippines has a ton of guards that we don't need small guard imports. For me, why not lift the height cap so that teams will sign imports based on the team needs?

- Three conference format - some say that not doing this will lessen the revenue of the league. Again, if the league is creative enough, it can generate revenue in just two conferences. Again, this is a false dillema as there are other ways to generate revenue. The league just needs to be more creative.

 

[DAdmiral2]

@ ja-he , that's simply a case of the PBA leadership having incompetent policy making resulting in adverse outcomes. They do not understand that incorrect setting and design of regulations can result in uninintend consequences (low level).. no one is arguing if a league should have restrictions ( they all should), the PBA is just a bunch of amateurs in terms of professional setting policies. Or maybe the owners really want it to be that way to keep control of their wealth (self interest), same old story of countries that are governed poorly controlled by elite for self gain.

 

[IPC2]

Karlo Lovenia observed an Ateneo lineup with Demisana/Obasa at 5, Mason Amos at 4, Josh Lazaro at 3, and Jordi GDL at 2: https://twitter.com/karlolovenia/status/1663846410926850053?t=9n5x_GeQbIRXUImb1YE92Q&s=19

I observed a lineup with Lazaro at 3, Ballungay at 4, and Jason Credo at 2. That's kinda big, man.

​If we can see a similar lineup for Gilas consistently, God, that would be big for us. We have the big SGs in Dwight and Parks, we have wings like Navarro, Malonzo, and Oftana, hopefully Lopez, and fours like Balti, Mason, Carl.