Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm2]

Recommended program for SBP

Each of the 8 junior UAAP team (high school) is encouraged (partly subsidized by SBP) a foreign national student player with a requirement to enter school no older than 15 yrs old and must commit to a tenure of 3 years minimum ( 15 to 18 years old)... this will improve the level in high school for homegrown and potentially have tall local eligible former foreigners in Gilas

Gilas annual camps in each hotbed of Philippine population around the world for 13 to 16 years olds , ( includes a embassy official with special powers to commence date stamp processing applications for passport)

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

 

[CoJ2]

Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.

BTW congrats Ja.He

so i think its time to check if Blatche fathered any kid who is still a minor (below 12) and tag him for the future gilas program. Same with Douthit.

 

[CoJ2]

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

Damn, Karim, Ange and Mbala could have gotten pinoy passports before turning 16 pala if SBP explored this option before! . I think St Claire, CEU, UC and UV have a lot of African kids in the pipeline. But true this would only be maximized should SBP be handled by a non-pba guy

 

[DAdmiral2]

you actually don't have to limit it to the UAAP schools. a former poster there from Cebu, helped students from Africa to get scholarships in Cebu. someone of them became players. hello Mbala and Karim to name a few. Karim came to the country as a 3rd year HS student. Ange came in roughly same age as Karim and both were chuck in non-UAAP\NCAA schools for development. and if you watch the different U14 leagues, you will spot a foreigner or 2 per tournament. what becomes of them, I dont know. point is, SBP just say there is incentive, then those who have connections(not necessarily the bigger schools) will start finding talents.

but question there is, is that the direction the will be new SBP leadership want? i like the plan mind you. im just not hopeful unless the new leadership puts a non-PBA personality to lead our NSA.

This is where SBP leadership emphasizing prioritising sound investment comes in, to set up a program inviting foreign nationals to be youth residents in the country will cost the fraction of what it cost to hire Blatche for 2 months. Now here is the thing which of the two promotes basketball level in the country more ? 2nd question which is really more a reflection of the level of basketball in the Philippines , having Blatche who has lived in the Philippines for like 1 month max or have 20 foreign youths make the Philippines home .. seriously think about it , Now people wonder why doesn't SBP see it this way. answer : $$$$ for self gain (period) . Now tell me , is this something to be upset about ? well if you're a real Pinoy basketball fan, HELL YES!!

 

[Rds2]

Damn, Karim, Ange and Mbala could have gotten pinoy passports before turning 16 pala if SBP explored this option before! . I think St Claire, CEU, UC and UV have a lot of African kids in the pipeline. But true this would only be maximized should SBP be handled by a non-pba guy

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

 

[gilasfan2]

Time to dream about our world cup rosters again

1st unit
​C - Kai
PF - Japeth
SF - Malonzo
SG - Clarkson
PG - Scottie

2nd unit
C - Fajardo
PF - AJ Edu
SF - Parks
SG - Heading
PG - Dwight

​​​​​​3rd unit
C - Balti
PF - Tamayo
SF - Abando
SG - Perez
G - Bolick or RJ A.

Special mention:
Navarro

 

[CoJ2]

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

unfortunately only through naturalization, the most recent case would be the kid of Chinese migrants who was born in the country and is about to represent the Philippines in a intl math olympiad. (he has represented the country in various intl math contest prior) And yeah naturalizing 20 or more tall kids would take a lot of political capital and not a great way of utilizing legislative time.

edit: the kid graduated from MIT with a perfect GPA!

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/69470...o-citizenship-to-math-whiz-of-chinese-descent

 

[ja.he2]

I like this idea. But I dont think our citizenship laws make this easy. Now is there a feasible way to naturalize under 16 kids? I dont think our legislators should spend their hard earned position by legislating the citizenship of 20 tall kids. If anything it's a sign of how broken down and archaic our citizenship laws are.

Instead of making it easy for those who live and work here to be citizens it is almost impossible. Then any baller who has a grandparent or great grandparent who was Pinoy can claim citizenship even if none of their lineage has set foot in the country since probably the last galleon.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to move out of the country. But I think there's something wrong with their citizenship being passed on to their apo sa tuhod or something without any documentation that the preceding generation actually took steps to "maintain" their citizenship. I am not a lawyer but this way of passing a citizenship to the nth generation seems wrong to me.

There are side steps depending on the situation:

- Include the parents of the prospect to migrate in the Philippines. Give them work so that they can contribute and buy properties here. Also, have their children enroll here in a Philippine school. Have them reside here for atleast 10 years. Undergo Judicial Naturalization. If the parents become naturalization, so as their minor children (prospects).

- If the foreigner is a single parent, his children are minors (mother is a foreigner), let them live here, have a job, buy a property, have his children study here. He may marry a Filipina which will reduce his residency requirement from 10 to 5 years. Undergo Judicial Naturalization. If the parents becomes, so as his children.

​​​​These are some of the possible scenarios where the minors can became naturalized without actually undergoing the naturalization process. If we were able to naturalization his parent/s, then he will also acquire PH citizenship and apply for PH passport before reaching 16 years old.

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[ja.he2]

This is the reason why SBP should take care our naturalized players (Blatche, Douthit, Kouame and Brownlee). Because their kids has a high probability of being eligible for Gilas. Why? Their kids' documents can easily be processed so that they can acquire passport before reaching 16 years old.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

It seems they are hesitating on JC... Hhhhmmmmm!!!!!

 

[Rds2]

It seems they are hesitating on JC... Hhhhmmmmm!!!!!

Economics. How much is JC's price? I guess Kai's team will also ask for the moon.

 

[Rds2]

This is the reason why SBP should take care our naturalized players (Blatche, Douthit, Kouame and Brownlee). Because their kids has a high probability of being eligible for Gilas. Why? Their kids' documents can easily be processed so that they can acquire passport before reaching 16 years old.

This is hard because then you have to employ them so they stay in the country. Brownlee is the resident import of GSM. But Kouame is probably too tall for the Governor's cup.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Actually a doable feasible approach is to eventually get exception for :
Kouame and Phillips

Then milk Brownlee remaining years, while expanding the pool of NP with ineligibles by processing passports for

Harper Jr
Kameka Hepa
Etc etc

 

[ja.he2]

This is hard because then you have to employ them so they stay in the country. Brownlee is the resident import of GSM. But Kouame is probably too tall for the Governor's cup.

What makes this hard is the protectionist rules of the PBA and other leagues that prohibits naturalized players to play as locals.

Well, we can't do anything about it since it's their prerogative.

Take away this and we can make all of our naturalized players stay in the Philippines.

 

[Rds2]

What makes this hard is the protectionist rules of the PBA and other leagues that prohibits naturalized players to play as locals.

Well, we can't do anything about it since it's their prerogative.

Take away this and we can make all of our naturalized players stay in the Philippines.

Yes we should go there. I think they should start with increasing the Govs cup height limit to accomodate those guys.

 

[ja.he2]

Yes we should go there. I think they should start with increasing the Govs cup height limit to accomodate those guys.

We should do away with the height limit, the better.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

We should do away with the height limit, the better.

Guys, do U think the Indonesia, Thailand & Cambodia teams that played in the recent SEA Games are within the same level as the complete & full force teams of Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, Bahrain, Qatar?

 

[reamily2]

Guys, do U think the Indonesia, Thailand & Cambodia teams that played in the recent SEA Games are within the same level as the complete & full force teams of Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, Bahrain, Qatar?

For the aseans now their benchmark is the Guam nt.. Indo defeated Saudi already.. Saudi was able to kept in step with us at their home floor without al suwailem

Cambodia will easily expose Bahrain and present qatar team..given savaya's been the coach in west asia league..
The sea games gilas will easily beat the windw 6 gilas given how mason armos the darling of that window 6 team was almost a non factor

 

[IPC2]

So, based on the criteria, SBP should make a push for Ange Kouame and Michael Philipps. Mike has been here for 4 straight years and counting as a student of DLSU. His residency started at age 17. One more year and Philipps's chances will just get stronger.

Securing an exemption for both Kouame and Philipps will be huge for Gilas as it will add ceiling to our frontcourt. Both are strong, can defend and can rebound.

But we are thinking of the SBP here, a gang of idiots led by the useless Al Panlilio who exists to lick the ass of Chua's PBA so I doubt if they had the brains to secure exemptions for Phillips and Kouame.

And making exemptions for Mike and Ange will mean a bigger chance of them playing abroad.

 

[Rds2]

And making exemptions for Mike and Ange will mean a bigger chance of them playing abroad.

Yeah. SMC might not be inclined to apply for the exemption of Phillips. But if you think about it there a lot of non-eligible guys coming in. Phillips is raw. He is not exactly a franchise player yet.