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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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IPC said:
​Derivative naturalization, right?
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Unless the Philippines has super restrictive laws, that a parent naturalized via congress cannot by relationship to a child , give rights to citizenship for child, , I see No problem.

Super weird and restrictive yung Philippinesl law if this is the case .
FROM.FIBA perspective even if you get Brownlee Jr a xerox fake passport from Recto , they will accept it at face value
 
DAdmiral said:
Unless the Philippines has super restrictive laws, that a parent naturalized via congress cannot by relationship to a child , give rights to citizenship for child, , I see No problem.

Super weird and restrictive yung Philippinesl law if this is the case .
FROM.FIBA perspective even if you get Brownlee Jr a xerox fake passport from Recto , they will accept it at face value
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The Philippines has a super restrictive citizenship process. There's no argument there. There might be a documented reason for this but I think it is borne from the fear that Chinese descent people will buy all our lands. But if you think about it Villar has done that already. We have nothing to fear anymore.
 
ja.he said:
That's why if I were the SBP, I will work on Brownlee, Jr.'s passport the moment Brownlee, Sr. became a naturalized Filipino citizen. The kid is only 12 I believe. It will be unwise for SBP not to do so. If they are not will to work with the kid's papers, atleast advice Brownlee, Sr. to work do so.

Fact: no need to naturalized Brownlee, Jr.
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Rds said:
Do the lawyers and law students here agree? I don't agree with this. It will only apply if Brownlee has another child right?
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Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.
 
IPC said:
Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.
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Thanks. I guess it makes sense.
 
Basically Philippines residency to citizenship law for child is consistent with FIBA rules .
a child resident with a passport is eligible
 
IPC said:
Law student here. I think I have to agree. CA 473 is the relevant law on naturalization, I think.

Sec. 15, CA 473. Effect of the naturalization on wife and children. - Any woman who is now or may hereafter be married to a citizen of the Philippines, and who might herself .be lawfully naturalized shall be deemed a citizen of the Philippines.

Minor children of persons naturalized under this law who have been born in-the Philippines shall be considered citizens thereof.

A foreign-born minor child, if dwelling in the Philippines at the time of the naturalization of the parent, shall automatically become a Philippine citizen, and a foreign-born minor child, who is not in the Philippines at the time the parent is naturalized, shall be deemed a Philippine citizen only during his minority, unless he begins to reside permanently in the Philippines when still a minor, in which case, he will continue to be a Philippine citizen even after becoming of age.

A child born outside of the Philippines after, the naturalization of his parent, shall be considered a Philippine citizen, unless within one year after reaching the age of majority, he. fails to register himself as a Philippine citizen at the American Consulate of the country where he resides, and to take the necessary oath of allegiance.

So, based on the underlined portions, Brownlee Jr. is also naturalized thanks to JB's naturalization. He's 11, right? That's minor age, meaning either way he's also a naturalized citizen. If he was in the Philippines at the time JB was naturalized, he's automatically a Filipino citizen for life. If he was abroad at the time, he's only a Filipino citizen until 18, unless he resides here permanently.

By the way, ja.he is already a lawyer. He passed the bar last year.
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dude, i'm caught. haha
 
IPC said:
Had to give a member of the bar his credibility. Hahahahahaha.
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Anyway, I am wondering if SBP has a legal team because if there is, why are they not exploring this pathway?

Legally, it will work in SBP's favor.
 
ja.he said:
Anyway, I am wondering if SBP has a legal team because if there is, why are they not exploring this pathway?

Legally, it will work in SBP's favor.
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Yeah, look at Abassi. This can be the pathway for JB's kids. Grew up here, then get them their passport before 16.
 
IPC said:
Yeah, look at Abassi. This can be the pathway for JB's kids. Grew up here, then get them their passport before 16.
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The good thing about this pathway is that it is less expensive than asking FIBA for an exemption.

Maybe, some posters will question the morality of this practice. But if SBP is smart enough, through MVP, can shelter Ukrainian and Sudanese refugees ages 10-12. Localized them and ask for a refugee exemption.

​​​​​Sir Dave/D'Admiral, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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ja.he said:
The good thing about this pathway is that it is less expensive than asking FIBA for an exemption.

Maybe, some posters will question the morality of this practice. But if SBP is smart enough, through MVP, can shelter Ukrainian and Sudanese refugees ages 10-12. Localized them and ask for a refugee exemption.

​​​​​Sir Dave/D'Admiral, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Correct, that's hassle free approval no exception required.
now even if one fails to get a passport by 16, but gets one like in 21 like Abasi , FIBA will approve exemption. Definitely. 100 % sure if Alex Compton who grew up in Philippines got a passport at 25 years old , 100 % exempted yun.

From.my perspective there really is nothing immoral about it, if anything its actually a great humanitarian effort . Do not forget by doing this you're uplifting the lives of peo0le people in need. You have provided a better future for people who would otherwise be in poverty. (Biirth and /or raised in a country is 100 % guaranteed approval)

That is why in FIBAs view naturalizung an African as a minor like say Koaume is looked very favorable and is very different from a professional moving to accept a pro contract at 25 yrs old , who happens to have some Filipino blood traced to a grandmother who lived in Philippines and got passport after 16. That is so different.. the purpose of immigration is totally for a different reason and motivation. C'mon you cannot compare the need to survive move away from war as a kid , witb a grown adult taking up a $100k pro contract to move to Philippines, totally different
 
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Let's assume rumor is true that Asi Taulava doesn't really have Filipino blood, so in FIBAs view he got naturalized (acquired Philippine passport after his original Tonga citizenship), FIBA does not care how he was naturalized or got a 2nd passport , (congress etc) but simply that he got a 2nd passport after 16. (Period)

Asi has Pinoy kids (now assume for argument sake mom was a foreigner ) those kids if raised here in Manila regardless if Asi is technically naturalized (who cares how he got his 2nd citizenship, it's still naturalization) are 100 % eligible in FiBAs eyes , even if they get passport after 16 yrs old
 
Mark this Kouame may indeed get exempted by 2027 WC. , (this isn't a guarantee or anything, but just saying.. )
 
” Abbasi, who grew up in Taiwan although his skin color is obviously different from that of Taiwan’s local ancestry, has been confirmed by the Basketball Association to FIBA ​​from this year. In international competitions, you can represent the Chinese team as a local player , his father is Senegalese, and his mother is from California, USA. He was born in Japan
Abbasi has previously played as a NP.

people are not only defined as Taiwanese by law, but also as non-exceptional Taiwanese in terms of international basketball recognition. In fact, from the recognition of mixed blood in many West Asian countries, the Philippines, and Japan in recent years, we can already smell FIBA’s attitude towards 16-year-olds. The attitude of regulations is regarded as a principle, but not an iron law trampled on to death. As long as the country can actively fight for it and put forward convincing reasons, it is indeed possible to increase the possibility of various cases being regarded as local.

https://www.world-today-news.com/fiba-approved-abbasi-can-be-officially-regarded-as-a-welcome-news-for-the-local-chinese-mens-basketball-team-t1-league-basketball-sports-vision-sports-vision/​
 
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A few myths proven incorrect

1. Special Naturalization law (e.g via congress) is viewed differently and player granted via Naturalization cannot be classified as a local

2. Once one plays as a Naturalized player in FiBA cannot change status to a local

3 Players of different heritage from norm of country cannot play as locals

4 Mere relationship to a parent citizen (with alien heritage (Mars) is not what is classified as blood relationship,


Now here is a what is emphasized
number of years residency as a minor , trumps all. It is the main basis for exception. the essence of the U16 rule : Players developed and raised in the country are eligible
 
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Recommended program for SBP

Each of the 8 junior UAAP team (high school) is encouraged (partly subsidized by SBP) a foreign national student player with a requirement to enter school no older than 15 yrs old and must commit to a tenure of 3 years minimum ( 15 to 18 years old)... this will improve the level in high school for homegrown and potentially have tall local eligible former foreigners in Gilas

Gilas annual camps in each hotbed of Philippine population around the world for 13 to 16 years olds , ( includes a embassy official with special powers to commence date stamp processing applications for passport)
 
DAdmiral said:
Correct, that's hassle free approval no exception required.
now even if one fails to get a passport by 16, but gets one like in 21 like Abasi , FIBA will approve exemption. Definitely. 100 % sure if Compton who grew up in Philippines got a passport at 25 years old , 100 % exempted yum.

From.my perspective there really is nothing immoral aboit it, if anything its actually a great humanitarian effort . Do not forget by doing this you're uplifting the lives of peo0le people in need. You have provided a better future for people who would otherwise be in poverty. (Biirth and /or raised in a country is 100 % guaranteed approval)

That is why in FIBAs view naturalizung an African as a minor like say Koaume is looked very favorable and is very different from a professional movig to accept a pro contraxt at 25 yrs old , who happens to have some Filipino blood traced to a grandmother who lived in Philippines and got passport after 16. That is so different.. the purpose of immigration is totally for a different reason and motivation. C'mon you cannot compare the need to survive move away from war as a kid , witb a grown adult taking up a $100k pro contract to move to Philippines, totally different
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You are right, we may give these kids a better life than their countries of origin like what UAAP teams have been doing to their FSAs.

SBP's legal team should have known this better. Better than me. I'm still wondering why not touch this matter. We are still stuck at recruiting Fil-Fors when we can also have foreign kids who can live here and be a Filipino. I believe that we can have all of them - the Fil-Fors, the localized foreign kids (should be considered as homegrowns), the homegrowns and the naturalized player.

Indonesia is doing it right now:

- Homegrowns (Grahita, Prastawa, DMX)
- Dual citizens (Jawato, Wisnu)
- Localized foreigners (Diagne, Kane)
- Naturalized (Prosper, Bolden).
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