Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[crush2]

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

Same sentiments here.

Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL

 

[crush2]

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

Same sentiments here.

Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL

 

[noyce2]

Same sentiments here.

Its like signing a contract with the devil LOL

maybe only the Javi and 1GDL can test that draft dodge rule since maybe their ultimate goal is to reach Euroleague. let's see if PBA indeed bans them 1-2 years from now.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

Well, that is when legal issues can come into play. How is it that yung team na nilaruan mo would have hold over you after your contract expired? I understand the principle of "right of first refusal", that is yung team na pinaglaruan mo in which you have an expired contract has the privilege of being the first to tender an offer sheet to you. However pag there's another team that tenders a bigger offer & your original team can't match, then wala nang magagawa yung original team mo. That is of course the rule involving PBA teams only.

But in principle, I think this should also be applicable involving non-PBA teams tendering offers to a PBA player with an expired contract.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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I say pag magka legal issue ito & I hope it will, mahahalungkat that the anti-dodging rule is clearly unconstitutional.

The thing is, it doesn't take a lawyer or a law student or law graduate to understand that such anti-dodging rule is unconstitutional.

What right has the PBA have to deprive a Filipino basketball player from playing pro basketball abroad?

 

[noyce2]

Well, that is when legal issues can come into play. How is it that yung team na nilaruan mo would have hold over you after your contract expired? I understand the principle of "right of first refusal", that is yung team na pinaglaruan mo in which you have an expired contract has the privilege of being the first to tender an offer sheet to you. However pag there's another team that tenders a bigger offer & your original team can't match, then wala nang magagawa yung original team mo. That is of course the rule involving PBA teams only.

But in principle, I think this should also be applicable involving non-PBA teams tendering offers to a PBA player with an expired contract.

Right of first refusal is used in NBA free agency. i believe in PBA, the famous incident is the Patrimonio tender offer of Millions offered by Pepsi(?) which is big at the time, but matched by Purefoods. also Tanduay offer to Ildefonso of 160M(?) from SMB haha. then nothing of the sort occurred again.

we really don't know what's written in PBA Uniform Player Contract (UPC). PBA said they own player rights unless they release it. some posters already mentioned that this is unconstitutional. i hope Kiefer challenges this (settlement or legal battle). this is a stretch but this may determine if Kiefer plays for Gilas. same with Thirdy and GDL bros. i'm thinking PBA board will dissuade SBP to enlist their services.

 

[IPC2]

Right of first refusal is used in NBA free agency. i believe in PBA, the famous incident is the Patrimonio tender offer of Millions offered by Pepsi(?) which is big at the time, but matched by Purefoods. also Tanduay offer to Ildefonso of 160M(?) from SMB haha. then nothing of the sort occurred again.

we really don't know what's written in PBA Uniform Player Contract (UPC). PBA said they own player rights unless they release it. some posters already mentioned that this is unconstitutional. i hope Kiefer challenges this (settlement or legal battle). this is a stretch but this may determine if Kiefer plays for Gilas. same with Thirdy and GDL bros. i'm thinking PBA board will dissuade SBP to enlist their services.

Here are the relevant provisions to this issue, just in case:

Sec. 3, par. 1, Art. XIII of the Constitution states that "The State shall afford full protection to labor, local and overseas, organized and unorganized, and promote full employment and equality of employment opportunities for all."

Sec. 18, Art. II provides that "The State affirms labor as a primary social economic force. It shall protect the rights of workers and promote their welfare." Unfortunately, this is not a self-executing provision, meaning, Congress has to pass a law to enforce this policy. However, I think the Labor Code's declaration of policy is enough.

Art. 12 (b) and (c) of the Labor Code states that it is the policy of the State to protect every citizen desiring to work locally or overseas by securing for him the best possible terms and conditions of employment and to facilitate a free choice of available employment by persons seeking work in conformity with the national interest.

 

[IPC2]

Now here's a comment I found in FB:

 

[B L A C K S U N2]

Now here's a comment I found in FB:

context please

 

[IPC2]

context please

Here's the post: https://www.facebook.com/hoopsdotpilipinas/posts/10157807969197063

I think it came after our losses in the OQT.

 

[B L A C K S U N2]

Here's the post: https://www.facebook.com/hoopsdotpilipinas/posts/10157807969197063

I think it came after our losses in the OQT.

Reading posts on social media specially by those PBA apologists makes my head hurt. I remember people are calling this gilas as ateneo team, like hello? Bakit di nyo sabihan yung PBA at SMC teams nyo na ipahiram sa national team ung fav players nyo. The fact we have to beg for PBA to lend players to play sa national team is so mind boggling to me. Tapos sasabihin na PBA malaking naitutulong nila, they're like credit grabber more than anything.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Reading posts on social media specially by those PBA apologists makes my head hurt. I remember people are calling this gilas as ateneo team, like hello? Bakit di nyo sabihan yung PBA at SMC teams nyo na ipahiram sa national team ung fav players nyo. The fact we have to beg for PBA to lend players to play sa national team is so mind boggling to me. Tapos sasabihin na PBA malaking naitutulong nila, they're like credit grabber more than anything.

Its either these people are the typical ignorant, irrational, low I. Q. types belonging to the class C, D & E mentality or just blinded by their biases. Either way, they don't deserve our attention.

And this isn't descrimination. There are valid reasons why rational & heady people want to be around with & interact with fellow smart & logical people.

 

[shootingbwakaw2]

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

as it stands now, even if you don't sign, PBA still owns you, if it is true that they (PBA) can ban you from playing professional ball (by blocking (?) FIBA license) if you don't sign with them. anyway you look at it, this is a human right violation since basketball is employment for these people.

 

[barok espinoza2]

as it stands now, even if you don't sign, PBA still owns you, if it is true that they (PBA) can ban you from playing professional ball (by blocking (?) FIBA license) if you don't sign with them. anyway you look at it, this is a human right violation since basketball is employment for these people.

whatever happened to the PBA players' association?

 

[ccharmed2]

Bayaan ninyo na pba. It is a marketing organization, and not a nationalist institution.

The better option was always to have a separate pinoy fiba pro league. It can have two seasons: a regular one, and an invitational tournament.

In the invitational contest, cooperating pro 16-man teams from china, korea, iran and japan can be automatically seeded in best-of-five quarterfinals against top 4 pinoy teams. Then they go best of five until the finals.

Maganda din 4 asian teams in one year, 2asian-2african teams the following year, 2asian-2latin american groups the year after that, etc.

This win-win arrangement will strengthen all nt players in the participating foreign and pinoy teams.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Its either these people are the typical ignorant, irrational, low I. Q. types belonging to the class C, D & E mentality or just blinded by their biases. Either way, they don't deserve our attention.

And this isn't descrimination. There are valid reasons why rational & heady people want to be around with & interact with fellow smart & logical people.

I wouldnt consider this community that rational, dami antivaxxers.

 

[IPC2]

Bayaan ninyo na pba. It is a marketing organization, and not a nationalist institution.

The better option was always to have a separate pinoy fiba pro league. It can have two seasons: a regular one, and an invitational tournament.

In the invitational contest, cooperating pro 16-man teams from china, korea, iran and japan can be automatically seeded in best-of-five quarterfinals against top 4 pinoy teams. Then they go best of five until the finals.

Maganda din 4 asian teams in one year, 2asian-2african teams the following year, 2asian-2latin american groups the year after that, etc.

This win-win arrangement will strengthen all nt players in the participating foreign and pinoy teams.

We have multiple leagues that can be candidates, specifically the NBL, VisMin Cup, MPBL. Do we get the FIBA pro league from them, or do we form a new one?

And secondly, FIBA will have to accredit this league as the official league in the Philippines.

 

[IPC2]

Obviously, the PBA has not learned its lessons. "Bahala na si Batman" pa rin sa international competition. This is proven by the 3x3 disaster.

Kung ganun pa rin sila, might as well exclude them from the WC lineup and future lineups, as well as the 3x3.

Look, if you're gonna grab the credit of the non-PBA players, you need to earn it.

 

[ccharmed2]

We have multiple leagues that can be candidates, specifically the NBL, VisMin Cup, MPBL. Do we get the FIBA pro league from them, or do we form a new one?

And secondly, FIBA will have to accredit this league as the official league in the Philippines.

Alex the Great rightly said, fortune favors the bold. If no league wants to show up the pba by creating better, more internationally competitive flavored, or more exciting games, none may deserve fan and commercial interest. If they want to be smalltimers, then smalltimers they can only be.

You think that say an ilocos norte team will have less fans than ginebra against say a sokor top team? Or, would a manila team, funded by many manila firms, spend less on a prestigious match against a top chinese team?

Besides, if the interested league wants to play by fiba rules, then it gets the fiba approval, and not the pba.

That league will have the glory of selecting players for national teams.

 

[Labradoodle2]

I wouldnt consider this community that rational, dami antivaxxers.

True. Haha. Just look at the COVID thread