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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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How good would we have been now in the two scenarios?

1.) If Tab was still calling the shots (the February Tab event did not happen)
2.) If Nenad had been the full-time program director and coach since May 2022 (after the Silver in the SEA games; Chot was fired).

Both would get full SBP support in the 2 situations.

Also, how well will Chot do in the 2023 World Cup; assuming he gets his prep, etc?

We would have been good on defense under Tab and Nenad, although the defense under Cone was not too shabby the past two windows.

If Tab, just have him be the program director to build up the defense, and handling recruitment. Maybe better with Nenad as coach, along with better offense?
 
Our best rim-protecting big from the amateurs is probably Gab Demisana, then Luis Pablo. Dunno if Seven can protect the rim. Chiu, I don't see him as a rim protector, but he can be a good paint presence.

Almazan and Erram, jeez. Almazan has been bad for Gilas, while Erram was mostly bad, but had a few good moments in the last Asia Cup. The only good Gilas bigs from the PBA for the past decade were Ping, RDO, Japeth, June Mar, and CStand, who was our NP.

really disappointed with kemark carino, he was the top shotblocker in the fiba asia u18 iirc. seems like like he didn't gain any more weight/muscle since he was 18.
 
Just thinking should not be lost in the narrative.

In Brownlee, this is the best big Forward Gilas has ever had in history (I'm serious). The starting forward frontline of Dwight and Brownlee is the best Gilas has ever had in history.
All this talk that we are a depleted line up , especially relative comparison to what other national teams field which is far from their best is BS.

The best 4s we've had are RDO and Ping , Best SF is Gabe ..
Let's not fool people, AJ and Japeth at 4 is just theory, they have played less than 10 % of career minutes at 4 .

Gilas is also compared to most NT had the most number of practice hours in 6th window

Man, we miss Ping and Gabe. We'll need someone to replace them as a bigman defensive anchor/switchable defender and wing defender respectively. They were crucial parts of Gilas, and they held the defense together. Hopefully we can build teams with defensive anchors.
 
really disappointed with kemark carino, he was the top shotblocker in the fiba asia u18 iirc. seems like like he didn't gain any more weight/muscle since he was 18.

Kenmark Carino’s mindset is just to be a basketball player and not to be a student of the game, sadly that’s the perspective of majority of our young players nowadays and seldom you will see those who really doing some research using the World Wide Web and other socmed platform just to get additional knowledge on the latest technology just to improve their foundation to the game.
 
Japan and NZ are good teams to look at if we’re to implement a system.

Good spacing, excellent ball movement, consistent outside shooting, versatile/lengthy wings, and one mobile big.

I think we need to look at NZ's defense too.

I'm more defensively-minded, so I'd like for us to get better defensively moving forward. We like to pride ourselves on physicality, so why not do it on defense in FIBA? Of course, without getting in the penalty. Also, I'd like for our defensive rotations to be more timely as well.

Yup. I meant on both ends of the floor. It’s very doable as we now have good sized wing men compared to before. This is where the game of basketball is headed after all.

With KSA’s loss, Jordan is officially qualified for the WC. I won’t be surprised if Al-Dwairi doesn’t fly to Manila because of the situation in Turkey right now.

The Tall Blacks actually don't prepare much, especially for windows, sometimes just 1 practice prior to the game,

So you ask, how do they do it then and are cohesive .
The answer is it's a system build from start of high school onwards , it's basic flow offense , so every knows what to do .

BTW the game ended wirh same lead at end of 3rd ( 47 pts) , when they played extended minutes to part time none professional players, Rodgers, Brown, McCullough ( these are Tuffin level players ) .. the level of players in the 5th window
Despite using C level players for some windows
If Nz sweeps 6th window and Lebanon loses vs Gilas later . For 2 consecutive WC qualifiers 2019 and 2023 , Nz would have placed 1st in their group.

Same with the Koreans. They used the same system since what? A decade or ago? Plus you don’t really need long preps for a two-game window.

We should get a basic system on offense. Something that allows players to express themselves (since that's one of our strengths), but at the same time, makes them give up the ball when they have no good options with the ball, or when someone else is more open. Just basic execution. However, it has to contribute to the development of the FIBA-sized and skilled 3-4-5 positions, not just the guards and undersized wings.

On defense, we have to encourage switching instead of zoning, to develop everyone's perimeter defense. But if we do zone, it must not be too static such that the players are too far away when rotating. It has to shift, and fast.

Everything must start at the youth level. If we have a consistent system from youth to seniors, little need for training for windows, and 2-3 months of refreshers for tournaments proper.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OE2TtVVcsXQ&feature=shares

Watch this system, the flow offense actually has similarities
It requires a Sabonis like NP or even a HAWKINSON type.

Kai Sotto is already being utilized like Sabonis in hand off situations. He can shoot the three in wide open situations, pass to open cutter as he has great court vision for his height... but the question is can he fake the hand off and attack strong off the dribble. Never saw him do that yet. Gilas can run an offense like that with JC, Jamie, Dwight, Scottie and CJ Perez cutting, instead of being overly reliant on ball screens for more fluidity.

Now if JC becomes a local and we can naturalize another 4 like what youre suggesting, lets say someone in the mold of Chris McCollough, i don't think any team in Asia can beat us.
 
Guys, do U think CJ Perez is our best local 2-guard right now? I'm talking here of overall talent - scoring, defense, playmaking, rebounding.
 
Guys, do U think CJ Perez is our best local 2-guard right now? I'm talking here of overall talent - scoring, defense, playmaking, rebounding.

I think he is the best eligible slashing guard/combo guard we have right now. Heading is the best shooter.
 
I think he is the best eligible slashing guard/combo guard we have right now. Heading is the best shooter.

Perez also has decent defense. It seems he is a better defender than Heading.

But I like having both Perez & Heading in the team. Perez being a slasher who can play both the point guard & 2-guard spot while Heading being a spot up shooter playing the 2-guard spot. Talk about variety.

Then U got a Rayray Parks who plays both the 2-guard & small forward spots, is a good shooter & facilitator. Again that's variety for us.
 
Kai at the world level context has suspect handles , he can't dribble in the half court with pressure.
At Asian level and TSF he can, but at world level he becomes Zhou, Gobert like. There are just level to things..
Let's not disrespect guys like Tacko Fall, or Zhou who made the NBA, you put them in lower levels like Tacko in CBA suddenly they have Sabonis like moves .
Thorn makers looks like Hakeem in the CBA .
 
Perez also has decent defense. It seems he is a better defender than Heading.

But I like having both Perez & Heading in the team. Perez being a slasher who can play both the point guard & 2-guard spot while Heading being a spot up shooter playing the 2-guard spot. Talk about variety.

Then U got a Rayray Parks who plays both the 2-guard & small forward spots, is a good shooter & facilitator. Again that's variety for us.

perez still fouls too much just like most PBA players not used to FIBA rules, hopefully more reps in the next few months will take care of that
 
Kai at the world level context has suspect handles , he can't dribble in the half court with pressure.
At Asian level and TSF he can, but at world level he becomes Zhou, Gobert like. There are just level to things..
Let's not disrespect guys like Tacko Fall, or Zhou who made the NBA, you put them in lower levels like Tacko in CBA suddenly they have Sabonis like moves .
Thorn makers looks like Hakeem in the CBA .

I cant think of any big from Asia and Oceana apart from Ben Simmons who can dribble in the half/full court with pressure, operative word is PRESSURE
 
Kai at the world level context has suspect handles , he can't dribble in the half court with pressure.
At Asian level and TSF he can, but at world level he becomes Zhou, Gobert like. There are just level to things..
Let's not disrespect guys like Tacko Fall, or Zhou who made the NBA, you put them in lower levels like Tacko in CBA suddenly they have Sabonis like moves .
Thorn makers looks like Hakeem in the CBA .

Comprehending differences in levels is a hard thing to understand for most people. To think it should already be ingrained in our brains since we have seen unknown-in-the-US imports absolutely dominate the pba for decades now.

The only skill that is closest to being able to translate to any level is rebounding. If you're an elite rebounder, you can be a pretty good rebounder most levels. It's because getting a rebound basically boils down to will (who wants it most). Prime example is Iskati.

And thus the saying "rebounds wins games" because it shows the "will" of the team. "Defense wins championships" because that shows the team has the advantage in will, athleticism and teamwork/chemistry.
 
Kai at the world level context has suspect handles , he can't dribble in the half court with pressure.
At Asian level and TSF he can, but at world level he becomes Zhou, Gobert like. There are just level to things..
Let's not disrespect guys like Tacko Fall, or Zhou who made the NBA, you put them in lower levels like Tacko in CBA suddenly they have Sabonis like moves .
Thorn makers looks like Hakeem in the CBA .

And yeah despite Gobert's suspect handles he's still considered an elite World level big.
Kai has 4 other guys on the floor to do that for him.
 
Guys, do U think CJ Perez is our best local 2-guard right now? I'm talking here of overall talent - scoring, defense, playmaking, rebounding.

what's impressive abt CJ is maturity & poise under pressure. stabilizes the team. unselfish. can give you buckets when needed. he looks flashy but actually plays the game the right way. not a headache in the locker room. no superstar antics. Scoring, defense and playmaking yes but rebounding gotta give it to Scottie.

Toss up between him and Scottie as best guards right now, although Scottie plays more like a Pinoy, rugged and all-around. He does things that are not shown on the stat sheet and he does not need to score to dominate the game.
 
what's impressive abt CJ is maturity & poise under pressure. stabilizes the team. unselfish. can give you buckets when needed. he looks flashy but actually plays the game the right way. not a headache in the locker room. no superstar antics. Scoring, defense and playmaking yes but rebounding gotta give it to Scottie.

Toss up between him and Scottie as best guards right now, although Scottie plays more like a Pinoy, rugged and all-around. He does things that are not shown on the stat sheet and he does not need to score to dominate the game.

During the run of Mickey Williams in the PBA when he was playing really well I can only think of CJ Perez who can match him, yeah not even Iskati
 
what's impressive abt CJ is maturity & poise under pressure. stabilizes the team. unselfish. can give you buckets when needed. he looks flashy but actually plays the game the right way. not a headache in the locker room. no superstar antics. Scoring, defense and playmaking yes but rebounding gotta give it to Scottie.

Toss up between him and Scottie as best guards right now, although Scottie plays more like a Pinoy, rugged and all-around. He does things that are not shown on the stat sheet and he does not need to score to dominate the game.

Best 2 guard?? Isn't CJ more of a combo guard?
 
I'm wondering assuming Philips and Ballungay become eligible, as purely a FIBA 4 man (not center). Who is better for 2027 WC between these 3

A Malonzo
B Philipps
C Ballungay
 
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