Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

What sets apart from a motion and continuity offense is that in motion offense, it is basically read and react play and free flowing one (i.e. Dribble Drive Offense). On the other hand, continuity offense follows a pattern where you can do it through and through until you go back to the original formation (i.e. Triangle Offense, Flex Offense, Ballscreen Motion).

Technically, triangle is a combination of motion and continuity, as it's essentially a read and react; its patterns are dictated by the defense.

Actually, got me thinking. The triangle may be an offense suited to us, as we have players that can post-up. All the offense needs is an initiator, not essentially a facilitator (which our current PGs are not).

 

[JAMSKIE2]

@empyreanmaze

Navarro's role with Gilas is the same as his role at Ateneo, except that in Ateneo, he played as a four while with Gilas he plays as a 3. But just like at Ateneo, Navarro is also a mere role player with Gilas & is among the least option in offense. The good thing is, Navarro embraces such role well.

Now, Calvin Oftana & Kobe Paras aren't products of the same factory as Navarro, so to speak. While Navarro is a role player in his college team, both Oftana & Kobe are the focal points of offense in their respective college teams. Kobe & Oftana are obviously the stars of their respective college teams. Hence, it remains to be seen whether they can embrace the role of mere role players in a talent laden team like Gilas.

 

[Jackie Reaper2]

Technically, triangle is a combination of motion and continuity, as it's essentially a read and react; its patterns are dictated by the defense.

Actually, got me thinking. The triangle may be an offense suited to us, as we have players that can post-up. All the offense needs is an initiator, not essentially a facilitator (which our current PGs are not).

I will try to watch our 1998 Centennial Team headed by Tim Cone. I believe that the weaknesses of Triangle was exposed there especially the predictable entry passes.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I will try to watch our 1998 Centennial Team headed by Tim Cone. I believe that the weaknesses of Triangle was exposed there especially the predictable entry passes.

The Centennial team was good enough against the lower tier Asian teams at that time - Taiwan, Saudi Arabia (1998 Jones Cup) UAE, Kyrgyztan (Asian Games) but struggled big time vs. the top Asian teams - China, South Korea & Kazakhstan. I think the sheer talent of the Centennials was enough to easily beat the lower tier asian teams.

I remember an expert saying that coach Tim Cone's triangle offense would not work against the zone & that the size & length of a team like China is going to disrupt the passing lanes during the execution of the triangle offense.

 

[IPC2]

Javi just signed for Ibaraki Robots, a B.League Division 1 team: tbti.me/s20bep

 

[shamuibilog2]

@empyreanmaze

Navarro's role with Gilas is the same as his role at Ateneo, except that in Ateneo, he played as a four while with Gilas he plays as a 3. But just like at Ateneo, Navarro is also a mere role player with Gilas & is among the least option in offense. The good thing is, Navarro embraces such role well.

Now, Calvin Oftana & Kobe Paras aren't products of the same factory as Navarro, so to speak. While Navarro is a role player in his college team, both Oftana & Kobe are the focal points of offense in their respective college teams. Kobe & Oftana are obviously the stars of their respective college teams. Hence, it remains to be seen whether they can embrace the role of mere role players in a talent laden team like Gilas.

Navarro is more of a defensive player right now in the mold of Gabe Norwood. He covers the interior if need be.

He has 3~ highlight blocks then taking the balls straight with a jam or assist and many more intangibles. Best of all he embraces, as you said the role to the hilt. I am not sure about his field goals but he seldom takes shots but he surely can drive hard if need be, assist inside, and decently hit the 3 points. In his youth in Greece, he is known as a shooter. They can revitalize that

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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That's nice!

Question: Could Javi be considered a "violator" of the shitty anti-dodging law of the PBA?

Sorry ha, I'm not well adversed with that rule & I don't want to be well adversed with such a shitty rule.

 

[IPC2]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

That's nice!

Question: Could Javi be considered a "violator" of the shitty anti-dodging law of the PBA?

Sorry ha, I'm not well adversed with that rule & I don't want to be well adversed with such a shitty rule.

Not yet. He can be considered a 'violator' only after two drafts from now and he doesn't join.

 

[sajubeads2]

He's a gunner in the Asian tournaments,does the Norwood when they're non asian opponents.

Wright last good performance was 2017 FIBA Asia Cup right before he entered the PBA....Does his PBA stint made him a poor FIBA player?

 

[Rds2]

Javi just signed for Ibaraki Robots, a B.League Division 1 team: tbti.me/s20bep

Good for him. Hopefully he is slotted as an SF. He needs a lot of work though based on his last outing.

 

[Rds2]

Wright last good performance was 2017 FIBA Asia Cup right before he entered the PBA....Does his PBA stint made him a poor FIBA player?

Not sure. I remember he did well against the lower tier teams. Against teams with taller perimeter players he gets gunshy. I think he should be able to play the Heading role. But he needs to improve on D.

 

[IPC2]

Good for him. Hopefully he is slotted as an SF. He needs a lot of work though based on his last outing.

The team was looking for a big off-guard, from what I read. I think he'll be slotted in that position. Either that or SF.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Not yet. He can be considered a 'violator' only after two drafts from now and he doesn't join.

Ah ok, I get it.

I'm thinking of a way to somewhat circumbent this anti-dodging rule & that is for a Pinoy player to enter the PBA draft, sign only a one year contract with a PBA team, then after the expiration of such contract, he can then seek offers from the B-league or elsewhere. In the case of Javi, play in Japan for just one year. Then if he does well in Japan, apply muna sya sa PBA draft, then sign for just one year contract then after mag expire PBA contract nya, pwede na uli sya bumalik sa Japan if there is/are still interested team/s there.

How's that bro?

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

The Calvin Abueva issue noted by coach rajko. (Which probably also the reason Coach tab cut Calvn last 2015 OQT)

I think it should be a lesson to the pba.

Calvin is probably/arguably the best combo forward in pba right now.

But at 6'1-6'2. He should be a PG in International Competitions, which he is not.

And as Coach Rajko said he is not a good shooter.

 

[IPC2]

Ah ok, I get it.

I'm thinking of a way to somewhat circumbent this anti-dodging rule & that is for a Pinoy player to enter the PBA draft, sign only a one year contract with a PBA team, then after the expiration of such contract, he can then seek offers from the B-league or elsewhere. In the case of Javi, play in Japan for just one year. Then if he does well in Japan, apply muna sya sa PBA draft, then sign for just one year contract then after mag expire PBA contract nya, pwede na uli sya bumalik sa Japan if there is/are still interested team/s there.

How's that bro?

That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Not sure. I remember he did well against the lower tier teams. Against teams with taller perimeter players he gets gunshy. I think he should be able to play the Heading role. But he needs to improve on D.

Wright did well with the Gilas cadet team in the 2017 Jones Cup where he played beside Kiefer, Parks, Pogoy, Jalalon, Standhardinger. IIRC, he emerged as the team's leading local scorer in that tournament.

Then he also played well with Gilas senior team in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup with PBA elite players Japeth, Junmar, Romeo, Castro, Norwood. But since then medyo bumama na laro ni Wright sa FIBA basketball. He wasn't a factor offensively in the window qualifiers of the 2019 FIBA World Cup.

To be honest, I expected Wright to be a better version of Jeff Chan in Gilas.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

Hindi naman cguro pweding gumawa ng rule ang PBA na dapat a rookie should sign at least 2 or 3 years contract with his PBA team. That would be too much of an abused of civil rights.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

The Calvin Abueva issue noted by coach rajko. (Which probably also the reason Coach tab cut Calvn last 2015 OQT)

I think it should be a lesson to the pba.

Calvin is probably/arguably the best combo forward in pba right now.

But at 6'1-6'2. He should be a PG in International Competitions, which he is not.

And as Coach Rajko said he is not a good shooter.

Believe me when I say that in so far as Asian level basketball is concerned, Abueva is good enough. He more than proved that in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship with Gilas under coach Tab. Nobody can deny that Abueva is among the key component of that team. He is easily among the top 4 performer of the team.

Of course its a whole a lot different story when we are already talking about world level basketball.

 

[noyce2]

That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

 

[crush2]

That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

Hypothetically speaking that is a good path for guys who doesn't want to be tied down to a PBA team.

I think, the problem is once they draft you they own your playing rights. You are at their mercy even if you don't have a live contract with them. They may not give you the clearance to play overseas or maybe you can play overseas but the PBA will ban you.

Any once you get inside the PBA mafia wala ka nang kawala. lol.

But yeah, seriously I think PBA teams will still have you on a leash even when you don't have a contract with them.