Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Joe Yabuki2]

Speaking of Wright, he is actually shooting really well in Japan rt now. Shooting at almost 40% from 3, I wonder what changed for him??

The average b league defender is worse than the average pba defender

 

[Rds2]

I just wonder, what if the PBA would just adopt the FIBA rules on fouls/contact? Does these good PBA people think that calling fouls or contacts in the PBA game same as the way calls are made in the FIBA game will take away some excitement from the PBA game?

I wanna ask this question becoz everytime nalang that we have a No. of PBA players in our national team such players struggle to adjust with the way calls on foul & contact are done in the FIBA game. We can see that almost everytime a PBA national team player is assessed with a foul U can see from the facial expression of player na parang naso surprise sya or nagwa wonder about the call. Everytime we send a PBA-select national team in FIBA competitions or Asian Games, our team commits too many fouls.

On the other hand our all-amateur Gilas team handled by coach Tab Baldwin in 2021 seems to have no trouble adjusting to how calls on fouls are done in the FIBA game.

It may look like a minor difference (PBA rules on fouls/contacts compared to that of FIBA) but in reality, it has a significant impact on national team.
H
I think applying the FIBA rules on fouls/contacts in the PBA would bring more pros than cons for Philippine basketball.

I think it is different. Goorjan was talking about freedom of movement and how Nicholson was being bumped all the time without fouls. Goorjan was an NBL coach so he should know rugged Fiba legal plays. The fact that a coach with his experience and ability had to ask the officials what are legal defensive moves in the PBA and what are not means it is the first time he has experienced this type of foul calling.

 

[IPC2]

TNT to bring in Serbian coach Gorunovic

https://www.philstar.com/sports/202...MNHmLV6h1oWdf5zqWMG3aWMRrDxa4VyL4pbUMqWTW8XVg

In that article, Chot also said that Gorunovic will also help out with Gilas, give them another point of view.

Hope he stays on after the WC, and helps out in player development as well, both in the senior and youth levels of Gilas.

 

[Silent Killer2]

In that article, Chot also said that Gorunovic will also help out with Gilas, give them another point of view.

Hope he stays on after the WC, and helps out in player development as well, both in the senior and youth levels of Gilas.

we like them bald head coaches..

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

It seems China will use FIBA eligibility for Asian Games, not the previous one that Indonesia used in 2018... Well, It's China and they can do whatever they want.. So it means it's likely that no FIBA ineligible players for this edition of Asiad.. China wants to defend the gold medal, that's why they will take advantage what they have as always...

http://www.titan24.com/publish/app/data/2023/01/01/454689/os_news.html

 

[live_evil2]

Expect China to cheat again when they defend their medal.

 

[C2Hamm2]

It seems China will use FIBA eligibility for Asian Games, not the previous one that Indonesia used in 2018... Well, It's China and they can do whatever they want.. So it means it's likely that no FIBA ineligible players for this edition of Asiad.. China wants to defend the gold medal, that's why they will take advantage what they have as always...

http://www.titan24.com/publish/app/data/2023/01/01/454689/os_news.html

we should host these games and do what we want. only players eligible are hagop ineligibles that has a passport for atleast 5years by the time of the games. lets see how many countries can come up with a competitive team.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Expect China to cheat again when they defend their medal.

Getting Olympic spot are harder than winning Asiad gold this time... I see China will use this scapegoat in case they will fail again to qualify outright to Olympics, Winning gold medal in Asian games will please their billion fans who are now also frustrated what they saw on current Chinese team...

 

[IPC2]

Tabs vision was we didnt need to be real tall. He wanted switchable versatile guys. Maybe similar to his NZ guys with only Kouame or similar player or even with Kai. I think this makes sense since even now 6'9 and up guys are rare for us.

Yeah, we should make efforts to recruit and develop 6'5"-6'8" switchable versatile guys. That means focusing on mobility for players of that size, especially for those who have it, and training them to harness that mobility for defense. We need more Justine Baltazar, Will Navarro, Calvin Oftana, Dwight Ramos, and Jamie Malonzo types, although the latter two might be more applicable to Fil-foreigners. The Kevin Santos (Letran; he's kinda mobile, long and athletic at 6'5")/Allen Liwag/Troy Rosario/JB Bahio/Carlos Sumabat/Josh Lazaro types should be, or should have been in the case of Troy, developed into versatile and switchable forwards, and if possible, wings.

Best thing to do talaga is train every kid as guards in skillset and mobility, so that in case they grow taller, they retain guard skills and mobility.

 

[IPC2]

I just wonder, what if the PBA would just adopt the FIBA rules on fouls/contact? Does these good PBA people think that calling fouls or contacts in the PBA game same as the way calls are made in the FIBA game will take away some excitement from the PBA game?

I wanna ask this question becoz everytime nalang that we have a No. of PBA players in our national team such players struggle to adjust with the way calls on foul & contact are done in the FIBA game. We can see that almost everytime a PBA national team player is assessed with a foul U can see from the facial expression of player na parang naso surprise sya or nagwa wonder about the call. Everytime we send a PBA-select national team in FIBA competitions or Asian Games, our team commits too many fouls.

On the other hand our all-amateur Gilas team handled by coach Tab Baldwin in 2021 seems to have no trouble adjusting to how calls on fouls are done in the FIBA game.

It may look like a minor difference (PBA rules on fouls/contacts compared to that of FIBA) but in reality, it has a significant impact on national team.
H
I think applying the FIBA rules on fouls/contacts in the PBA would bring more pros than cons for Philippine basketball.

On the flip side, the Tab and Nenad-coached teams struggled against more physical sides, like NZ in the qualifiers and the MENA teams in the King's Cup.

There has to be a balance. I do get the merit in tighter officiating, as our players will be forced more to defend with their feet than rely on their hands and reaching in, but we also have to be able to take and dish out physicality.

 

[IPC2]

I'm much more interested about how a Gilas pool would look like in the post-2023 FIBA World Cup than in the 2023 FIBA World Cup per se. Its becoz we already have a good idea of which players would most likely make it to the final-12 man roster for the World Cup. Of course names such as Kai, Dwight Ramos, Iskati, Parks, Japeth, Fajardo, Clarkson, CJ Perez are the most likely players that would make it to the 12-man roster. Alam na talaga natin that those players will most likely make it to the World Cup.

But for the post-World Cup Gilas composition, medyo its still a guessing game. Most likely guys like Japeth, Junmar & Pogoy won't be around for Gilas by that time.

With how unpredictable things are nowadays, I don't really want to think about post-2023 WC until the actual post-2023 WC. Too many X-factors and idiotic people running our federation.

I hope more of our better Gilas prospects currently in college and high school go overseas (NBL, KBL, B.League) after 2023. Guys like Carl, Schonny, Francis Lopez, Mason Amos, Jerom Lastimosa, Cholo Anonuevo. Kasi, I don't trust the PBA to adjust the schedule at least 5-7 days before windows, and at least 2-3 months before the World Cup so that our players would have sufficient training to build chemistry and cohesion. And, I don't expect the SBP to ask the PBA to adjust. Baka naman, the adjustment is just for this WC, because we're a host.

That's why I'm campaigning for our best players to go overseas, e. Availability and practice time for FIBA windows and tournaments seems more sure, even after 2023. Dwight, Kiefer, Juan GDL, Parks, and Thirdy were made available for Gilas from the B.League (although only Dwight, Parks, and Thirdy were really useful). SJ was allowed by KOGAS to play, after he had signed for them. And then, thanks to the PBA schedule then, we crammed for the 2017 Asia Cup, 2018 Asian Games (where we even pulled out at first, 9 days before the start of the tournament), 2019 WC (especially this one, compounded by a bad roster), and only Erram was made available for last year's Asia Cup.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

It seems China will use FIBA eligibility for Asian Games, not the previous one that Indonesia used in 2018... Well, It's China and they can do whatever they want.. So it means it's likely that no FIBA ineligible players for this edition of Asiad.. China wants to defend the gold medal, that's why they will take advantage what they have as always...

http://www.titan24.com/publish/app/data/2023/01/01/454689/os_news.html

News article coming from(any) daily broadsheet stuff be it the official online link or the traditional hard copy from your friendly neighborhood newsstand doesn’t guarantee that it is 100% true unless there is an official statement coming from Asian Games Organizing committee with an official letterhead on it and with a handwritten signature(over printed name) then that’s it, it’s confirm. For now I’m still awaiting what will be the official statement coming from our sports officials specifically from the SBP the real score about this so-called pre-requisite coming from that news article.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

It seems China will use FIBA eligibility for Asian Games, not the previous one that Indonesia used in 2018... Well, It's China and they can do whatever they want.. So it means it's likely that no FIBA ineligible players for this edition of Asiad.. China wants to defend the gold medal, that's why they will take advantage what they have as always...

http://www.titan24.com/publish/app/data/2023/01/01/454689/os_news.html

News article coming from(any) daily broadsheet stuff be it the official online link or the traditional hard copy from your friendly neighborhood newsstand doesn?t guarantee that it is 100% true unless there is an official statement coming from Asian Games Organizing committee with an official letterhead on it and with a handwritten signature(over printed name) then that?s it, it?s confirm. For now I?m still awaiting what will be the official statement coming from our sports officials specifically from the SBP the real score about this so-called pre-requisite coming from that news article.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Question if the Bay Area Chinese forward (around 6'8) was Filipino, would he be at the level to play for Gilas , given our lack of size mobility at the forward spot

 

[IPC2]

Question if the Bay Area Chinese forward (around 6'8) was Filipino, would he be at the level to play for Gilas , given our lack of size mobility at the forward spot

Yeah, I think he will be. An athletic 6'9" combo forward who can shoot, drive, and defend at a good level will (and should) have a place in Gilas.

I can't believe our development system hasn't totally figured this out.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Yeah, I think he will be. An athletic 6'9" combo forward who can shoot, drive, and defend at a good level will (and should) have a place in Gilas.

I can't believe our development system hasn't totally figured this out.

What's his FIBA nationality ? Reason I mentioned it , he's competitive vs Brownlee, and he looks better than Gilas potential starting PF Malonzo.
It really highlights the Philippines gap, (as you mentioned)

 

[Silent Killer2]

Question if the Bay Area Chinese forward (around 6'8) was Filipino, would he be at the level to play for Gilas , given our lack of size mobility at the forward spot

Hayden blankley? Aussie chinese..

 

[IPC2]

Hayden blankley? Aussie chinese..

I think he was referring to Zhu Songwei.

 

[DAdmiral2]

I think he was referring to Zhu Songwei.

Yes that guy

 

[Rds2]

Question if the Bay Area Chinese forward (around 6'8) was Filipino, would he be at the level to play for Gilas , given our lack of size mobility at the forward spot

Look at his frame, thats a perimeter player. Our good 6'8 guys seem to be packing too much muscle even in HS. A guy like Gagate should train as a perimeter player. He is overmatched in the paint against most teams in the Asia tourney. Hongwei doesnt look long for his height. But he makes up for it by being light, mobile and playing a perimeter position. Gagate should too.