Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Joe Yabuki2]

I dont think Kelly ever had a good fiba career, during his peak we were experimenting with Gilas 1, then when we started picking pba players again thats when his blood disorder manifested.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I dont think Kelly ever had a good fiba career, during his peak we were experimenting with Gilas 1, then when we started picking pba players again thats when his blood disorder manifested.

I think Kelly was serviceable for team Pilipinas in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship although that team finished a dismal 9th place. He was also valuable for coach Rajko Toroman's Gilas-1 team as one of 4 PBA players sent to reinforce the young Gilas-1 squad.

It wasn't like Kelly was among the top scorers of the team. He was just a role player who provided defense, rebounding, & hustle.

 

[zairex2]

Really? It almost always feels like we are the worst perimeter shooting team and rebounding team on the games I've watch.
BTW who is our top rebounder?

Asian Games to Fiba Asia from 90s to 2010s. We have been on top 5 except for 2017. Our 3pt shooting a issue for us thou

 

[DAdmiral2]

The context of rosters for Gilas in next few months is obviously for the World cup , ( not really Asian competition), Asia generally especially traditional Asia ( Korea, China Philippines) are generally considered weak rebounding teams in the world context , their players really have a reputation as lacking a motor and strength, two critical factors to being a good rebounder.

In the world context , Asian teams.are generally deficient in most areas, but not so much shooting or offense (especially Korea), but specifically defense and rebounding

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

Is Jamie Malonzo our current version of Kelly Williams in the Gilas team? Halos identical kasi laro nilang 2. While I believe that prime Kelly Williams was the better defender, I think Malonzo is the better offensive player. Malonzo has better shooting than a prime Kelly Williams & I think Malonzo can play the small forward spot better than Kelly.

I think both are good rebounders.

Basketball now might be totally different from how it was played 15 years ago but sophomore Kelly Williams was a mvp, let's say Malonzo might be a more versatile scorer than Kelly but i don't think he is a better overall scorer than Kelly, Sta. Lucia Kelly is a different animal than the TNT Kelly the guy can score 30 points above any given night, though i believe that players like him, DS, Hrabak, Mic, Limpot , Will Antonio, Rob Wainwright, TDLC were born too early for their style of play these guys were the type of players that i think will thrive in the current style of play

 

[IPC2]

The context of rosters for Gilas in next few months is obviously for the World cup , ( not really Asian competition), Asia generally especially traditional Asia ( Korea, China Philippines) are generally considered weak rebounding teams in the world context , their players really have a reputation as lacking a motor and strength, two critical factors to being a good rebounder.

In the world context , Asian teams.are generally deficient in most areas, but not so much shooting or offense (especially Korea), but specifically defense and rebounding

We pride ourselves on being physical, but we're weak in rebounding and defense. I honestly wish to see us being the exception in Asian basketball. Tough-playing, and good defensively. Emphasis on toughness and versatility. Question is, how do we get good on defense, and develop the players for it?

We have Scottie, Dwight, and Malonzo as higher-motor players, so that's a start. Honestly, we're gonna need more of those, and hopefully get taller players with that kind of motor.

 

[carmelo72]

We pride ourselves on being physical, but we're weak in rebounding and defense. I honestly wish to see us being the exception in Asian basketball. Tough-playing, and good defensively. Emphasis on toughness and versatility. Question is, how do we get good on defense, and develop the players for it?

We have Scottie, Dwight, and Malonzo as higher-motor players, so that's a start. Honestly, we're gonna need more of those, and hopefully get taller players with that kind of motor.

On a not so distant future frontline rotation of Edu,Kouame,Mike Philipps would improve our rebounding and defense dept

 

[DAdmiral2]

On a not so distant future frontline rotation of Edu,Kouame,Mike Philipps would improve our rebounding and defense dept

And that's the concern for this world cup, none of the 3 bigs above who possess that defensive and rebounding centric game are likely to available. Which begs the question , who then in the team plays that critical role ( defensive rebounding active big?)

 

[Rds2]

And that's the concern for this world cup, none of the 3 bigs above who possess that defensive and rebounding centric game are likely to available. Which begs the question , who then in the team plays that critical role ( defensive rebounding active big?)

The world cup will be the last hurrah of the old guard of bigs: Japeth and Junemar. It will be a challenge without Kouame or Edu but Cone and Chot will try to make it work.

 

[IPC2]

And that's the concern for this world cup, none of the 3 bigs above who possess that defensive and rebounding centric game are likely to available. Which begs the question , who then in the team plays that critical role ( defensive rebounding active big?)

The likely players are Scottie, Malonzo, and Dwight as the high-motor players. Maybe one of Perez and Thirdy. However, none of them are bigs (though Malonzo can play 4, Dwight too in a few stretches).

And another problem is, most of our eligible internationally-sized high-motor players are in positions other than the 4 and the 5. Might need more 6'6"-6'8" PF/Cs who have a high motor, a version of Pingris with that height. Almazan sana, but he didn't perform in FIBA.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

And that's the concern for this world cup, none of the 3 bigs above who possess that defensive and rebounding centric game are likely to available. Which begs the question , who then in the team plays that critical role ( defensive rebounding active big?)

I think AJ will be chosen. Albeit will play control minutes.

Kai, Japeth. As much as you don't like their Motor and Strength, they will be the Main Centers in the team just like last window..

JMF will be chosen too. But if he can't guard PNR, he will most likely be in situational mins too.

Just employ team rebounding with Scottie and other Non Big Rebounders.

Rebounding should be team effort anyway

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Asian Games to Fiba Asia from 90s to 2010s. We have been on top 5 except for 2017. Our 3pt shooting a issue for us thou

I wonder why we struggled in shooting?

Is it because we emphasized 1 on 1 skills like Driving and Post Game more.

Who is our Best Guard/Wing Shooters now?

I think for WC, it will be Clarkson (an NP), Parks, and Dwight right?

 

[IPC2]

I still want Reyes out. He honestly sucks as a development coach. Navarro and Oftana were rendered useless in his system.

We need Navarro and Oftana for their positions, e. Navarro's valuable as a wing stopper, and can move the ball and move without the ball, and Oftana is a rare breed of 6'5" SF who can play 2 and create his own shot as well as defend. Oftana did play well with TNT when Mikey Williams was suspended, though. But with Gilas, he was superseded by JC, Dwight, and Parks (although they can move to 2 to accommodate Oftana and Navarro).

Come to think of it, the only younger ones who truly shone under Chot were Carl (in the Asia Cup) and Dwight. Veteran coach talaga siya. Nothing wrong with picking vets, but you need to develop promising talent as well. Balance winning with development.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Guys, is there a big possibility that Kai, Japeth, Junmar & AJ Edu make it to the final 12-man roster in the 2023 FIBA World Cup? I just hope not all 4 of them makes it to the final-12 man roster. I just hope only 3 of them makes it.

I would want Kai, Edu & Japeth make it to the final 12-man roster. Junmar for me is just too slow for the FIBA game. He has gotten slower in the last 2 years. Junmar's thumbcard is his back-to-the-basket low post moves which he does so well in the PBA. Problem is, at the world level, he won't be able to do that against stronger, tougher & skilled centers. And at the world level, Junmar's lack of quickness & mobility would be exposed.

Japeth & Edu would be able to cope up with the fast phase game of world level basketball & would be quick & mobile enough to defend the PnR plays of the opponent.s

 

[thatweirdguy2]

We need Navarro and Oftana for their positions, e. Navarro's valuable as a wing stopper, and can move the ball and move without the ball, and Oftana is a rare breed of 6'5" SF who can play 2 and create his own shot as well as defend. Oftana did play well with TNT when Mikey Williams was suspended, though. But with Gilas, he was superseded by JC, Dwight, and Parks (although they can move to 2 to accommodate Oftana and Navarro).

Come to think of it, the only younger ones who truly shone under Chot were Carl (in the Asia Cup) and Dwight. Veteran coach talaga siya. Nothing wrong with picking vets, but you need to develop promising talent as well. Balance winning with development.

Chot could have played Oftana more though he probably still prefers Pogoy. Both guys play for him in TNT so he knows them well.

I dunno if Malonzo would thrive under Chot though given he's still relatively young and didn't get much PT last time

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Guys, is there a big possibility that Kai, Japeth, Junmar & AJ Edu make it to the final 12-man roster in the 2023 FIBA World Cup? I just hope not all 4 of them makes it to the final-12 man roster. I just hope only 3 of them makes it.

I would want Kai, Edu & Japeth make it to the final 12-man roster. Junmar for me is just too slow for the FIBA game. He has gotten slower in the last 2 years. Junmar's thumbcard is his back-to-the-basket low post moves which he does so well in the PBA. Problem is, at the world level, he won't be able to do that against stronger, tougher & skilled centers. And at the world level, Junmar's lack of quickness & mobility would be exposed.

Japeth & Edu would be able to cope up with the fast phase game of world level basketball & would be quick & mobile enough to defend the PnR plays of the opponent.s

Yeah slow footed bigmen aren't exactly ideal at the international stage. Our defense would suffer whenever Kai sits especially with our undersized PFs and JC. And Kai himself isn't exactly Gobert

 

[Rodbi2]

And, you can be strong inside without sacrificing mobility. And I also said once about June Mar's rice intake, yeah, he likes rice, but that should come with the corresponding conditioning to ensure that he can still be a force inside while not sacrificing mobility, to offset any possible weight gain.

Sayang. OK, he's serviceable in FIBA as a scoring option and rebounding presence, but yeah, he could have been more on defense, both in FIBA and the PBA. And, feeding him inside a little more could help.

I guess it's just me but Junmar could have had a game patterned to Alonzo Mourning's. The man had a decent perimeter J but was beast in rebounds and blocks in his prime.

 

[IPC2]

I guess it's just me but Junmar could have had a game patterned to Alonzo Mourning's. The man had a decent perimeter J but was beast in rebounds and blocks in his prime.

Mourning was also mobile for a big, and could play both positions. And yeah, he was a beast on defense.

Could June Mar emulate the mobility and ability to play both positions, though?

 

[IPC2]

That 6'8-6'9 Pingris has been on my bucket list for quite a while.

We already got our 6'8 RdO in Carl Tamayo.

We just need a 6'8-6'9 Pingris.

Any takers? Money is on Geo Chiu as he already has the upper body strength. He just needs to establish his presence on the paint.

Just thought about this sentiment from interxavierxxx, who resigned from IBN a few months ago. 6'4" Pingris was undersized, but he had fight, motor, and defensive versatility. He could guard the perimeter in switches thanks to his athleticism.

If we could have a 6'6"-6'7" version of Ping, that would be nice. Homegrown or foreign-based.

 

[Rodbi2]

Mourning was also mobile for a big, and could play both positions. And yeah, he was a beast on defense.

Could June Mar emulate the mobility and ability to play both positions, though?

He could have. For a Pinoy homegrown big, he isn't really flat footed and has shown very decent mobility, more so when he was in his early 20's. It's just that his offense was molded for a traditional bigman's (which is even better than what Zo ever had, IMO), puro interior at kaldagan, hence the necessity of mass/weight increase in his 2nd or 3rd season in the PBA, and closing the door of any possibility for him to incorporate a decent perimeter shooting or an effective stretch-five's role.

On defense, while it was motor and mentality that Zo has a definitive advantage on (he's the typical 90's NBA bruiser but an elite one at that), Junmar could have been at least half of the defensive animal Mourning was if only he had managed well his weight gain, just to improve his motor. That could offset a lot on his offensive output but a 15-15-3 bpg PBA statline and some other hustle stats that don't show up on the scoreboard wouldn' have been so bad and could have still netted him and SMB those MVP awards/championships. I also believe that such version of Junmar could have translated well to FIBA, at any level or context, kahit sino pa ang coach.