Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE2]

I dont think you understand me at all triggered ka eh. And yet you acknowleged he got the 'breaks' thru his dad, so its only Nepotism if you dont deliver the desired results? I even made a comparison to a corporate setup and all and yet you still dont get it? Its the undue advantages that makes it wrong not the player that he becomes. And
Im saying Aaron is a much better player NOW than Tenorio & Pinto thus the swap thing that is clearly to Ginebra's advantage, and as a fan of the franchise why would I not agree to that swap if its real?

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that, either we call it nepotism or not, Aaron is delivering, & that's what is important.

I think its unfair naman kay Aaron if we talk as if the only reason why he got the starting point guard job at at Meralco is becoz the team head coach is his father (Like what you were implying in your reply to Yessuh29's post). Come on, let's be fair, the kid earned it & continues to earn it.

 

[carmelo72]

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that, either we call it nepotism or not, Aaron is delivering, & that's what is important.

I think its unfair naman kay Aaron if we talk as if the only reason why he got the starting point guard job at at Meralco is becoz the team head coach is his father (Like what you were implying in your reply to Yessuh29's post). Come on, let's be fair, the kid earned it & continues to earn it.

So you're saying that Nepotism is acceptable in this case because Aaron is doing well?of course its not the ONLY reason but being a son of Norman is a BIG reason for his success. I wouldnt say nmn to Henry Sy Jr. that life's unfair because his dad paved the way for his success because his kids took his businesses to a whole new level.
Noone's arguing how good he is (same reason I would want him to Ginebra) pero to say na he can be considered for Gilas and exclude Stockton for being a 6th-7th man and role player is quite the argument dont you think?

And how about Norman's step son Chris Tan who played with his Team in Sta.Lucia and won a championship at that. What shall we call it then? Since Chris never played for another team in the PbA aside from Sta.Lucia, but they did won a ring and Chris played a big part of it as a role player so its justified? Sure.. And now its Aaron's turn but of course he's turning out to be a better player than Chris

 

[JAMSKIE2]

So you call me out for supposedly "marginalizing" Black but not his comments on Stockton? That he shouldnt be considered for Gilas because he's merely a 6th-7th man on his team? I smell the scent of hypocrisy
And you're here to tell me I cant be sarcastic to that?

I don't see anything wrong with Yusseh29's post as a reaction to your post:

What has Stockton shown in the PBA aside from his defense?? Aaron Black is a legit starting G in the PBA while Stockton is like an 6th-7th man on his team lmao

I don't see any sarcasm there. Yusseh29's was just comparing a legit starting PG of a PBA team who is averaging 13.5 points/game, 4.4 assts/game & 5.57 rebs/game with someone who is a 6th or 7th man in his team while averaging 6.5 ppg & 1.7 assts/game. Neither do I see Yusseh29 marginalizing Stockton.

Now compare that to your reply to Yusseh's post in which you labeled him as an amateur.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

So you're saying that Nepotism is acceptable in this case because Aaron is doing well?of course its not the ONLY reason but being a son of Norman is a BIG reason for his success. I wouldnt say nmn to Henry Sy Jr. that life's unfair because his dad paved the way for his success because his kids took his businesses to a whole new level.
Noone's arguing how good he is (same reason I would want him to Ginebra) pero to say na he can be considered for Gilas and exclude Stockton for being a 6th-7th man and role player is quite the argument dont you think?

And how about Norman's step son Chris Tan who played with his Team in Sta.Lucia and won a championship at that. What shall we call it then? Since Chris never played for another team in the PbA aside from Sta.Lucia, but they did won a ring and Chris played a big part of it as a role player so its justified? Sure.. And now its Aaron's turn but of course he's turning out to be a better player than Chris

Bro, I think you're going way too far from our original discussion here.

What we actually were discussing here is whether Aaron Black could be a Gilas prospect or not. I don't give a damn whether Aaron's PBA career is a product of nepotism (As you see it) or not. What is important to me is whether Aaron Black could be serviceable to Gilas or not.

 

[carmelo72]

I don't see anything wrong with Yusseh29's post as a reaction to your post:


I don't see any sarcasm there. Yusseh29's was just comparing a legit starting PG of a PBA team who is averaging 13.5 points/game, 4.4 assts/game & 5.57 rebs/game with someone who is a 6th or 7th man in his team while averaging 6.5 ppg & 1.7 assts/game. Neither do I see Yusseh29 marginalizing Stockton.

Now compare that to your reply to Yusseh's post in which you labeled him as an amateur.

If you dont see what's wrong with his comments then there's no point here dont you think?
Its building the best team not an All-star team so the things Stockton can bring as a 6'2 athletic PG as a 12th man for Gilas, does it matter if he's a bench player and with less than stellar stats than Black? Would Aaron be a better match up defensively against say Jordan's Ibrahim than Alec?

 

[carmelo72]

Bro, I think you're going way too far from our original discussion here.

What we actually were discussing here is whether Aaron Black could be a Gilas prospect or not. I don't give a damn whether Aaron's PBA career is a product of nepotism (As you see it) or not. What is important to me is whether Aaron Black could be serviceable to Gilas or not.

If you try to backread I even stated the players that can be Black's competition for
the guard duties for Gilas in the next 5-6 years. I did try to redirect the topic to THAT di ba? and yet

 

[carmelo72]

If that's the case the i don't think you fully understand what nepotism is. Its the act of using power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family which Aaron clearly got. Now if he has proven that he's good enough for the PBA then good for him but NOT BEFORE getting into Meralco 1st and having provided the leeway to improve. If he started with another team, had time to develop and traded to his Dad's team then sure but Norman made sure he was drafted and was given opportunities that may not have been given if he wasn't with Meralco.
Again I like the game of Aaron i wish we could swap him for LA Tenorio lol or we could've gotten him over Pinto but obviously Norman wouldnt allow something like that.
It's like having a rich father and getting you "employed" in his company and lets you start off as a staff to one of the depts to learn the INs and Outs (earning his spots) and after a year makes you a VP for Operations and part of the Board. And clearly these kids are good because they're mostly US educated etc.
Noone's saying he's not a good player NOW its the unfair advantages he had.
But that's life lol
And while we're at it let's identify his competition for Gilas PG spot for the next 5-7 years:

Winston for sure if he's healthy he'll be on the Feb window and he's just 24.
Koon I assumed would be eligible by then and he's 21-22
considering Alec Stockton may be laughable now but he's 6'2 athletic and aggressive defensively (as the 12th man sure not as a starting PG for Gilas)
Nonoy of DLSU
JGDL of Lithuania lol
I think the ideal setup is to get the PG chores by committee wherein combo
guards will be alternating on these duties much like what Iskati,Perez,Dwight and Parks are doing now

See here? instead you skipped this part and made a comment strictly on the Nepotism part, so who's really veering away from the Gilas topic?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

See here? instead you skipped this part and made a comment strictly on the Nepotism part, so who's really veering away from the Gilas topic?

Bro, don't U realized that I have already replied to that post before you edited that post & add some things to it?

 

[carmelo72]

Bro, don't U realized that I have already replied to this post before you edited this post & add some things to it?

"Bro" I dont keep track of what you thought you might have missed

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Here is my stand: If you don't posses the right stuff, no amount of favoritism or nepotism can save your ass in the PBA. I think both Dodot Jaworski & Manny Pacquiao know that.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If you try to backread I even stated the players that can be Black's competition for
the guard duties for Gilas in the next 5-6 years. I did try to redirect the topic to THAT di ba? and yet

My point is, you've dwelt too much on the nepotism thing instead of just recognizing that such a player is doing well in the PBA right now mainly becoz he has worked hard to improve his game.

 

[carmelo72]

Here is my stand: If you don't posses the right stuff, no amount of favoritism or nepotism can save your ass in the PBA. I think both Dodot Jaworski & Manny Pacquiao know that.

Since we're back in Gilas topic, no doubt he should be in the pool but can he have better impact than Winston,Koon,JGDL,Nonoy in the next say 4-5 years? And why not Stockton, tirador pa toh before as I remember lol

 

[carmelo72]

My point is, you've dwelt too much on the nepotism thing instead of just recognizing that such a player is doing well in the PBA right now mainly becoz he has worked hard to improve his game.

Im not trying to belittle Black's inclusion i was merely stating that even a role player like Stockton may have a shot seeing what he may provide

 

[carmelo72]

My point is, you've dwelt too much on the nepotism thing instead of just recognizing that such a player is doing well in the PBA right now mainly becoz he has worked hard to improve his game.

My point was: Norman's acts of Nepotism has a precedent thus the added info for context

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Im not trying to belittle Black's inclusion i was merely stating that even a role player like Stockton may have a shot seeing what he may provide

Oh yeah...

...but this:

Another amateur Lol
You mean a legit starting PG on his dad's team??? Lol

Remember, this was your reply to Yusseh's post which he said:

What has Stockton shown in the PBA aside from his defense?? Aaron Black is a legit starting G in the PBA while Stockton is like an 6th-7th man on his team lmao

 

[carmelo72]

Oh yeah...

...but this:

Remember, this was your reply to Yusseh's post which he said:

Oh so we dont move forward we go
backwards then lol
If you're pissed since you cant move on from
it that's fine simply admit THAT just don't cover it with some faux conversation on Gilas pool

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Oh so we dont move forward we go
backwards then lol
If you're pissed since you cant move on from
it that's fine simply admit THAT just don't cover it with some faux conversation on Gilas pool

You don't want to rewind becoz nabubuking ka in what you've said before. Ang isda raw sa bibig nahuhuli!

Moral lesson bro: We must be careful with what we say becoz it may haunt us.

 

[carmelo72]

You don't want to rewind becoz nabubuking ka in what you've said before. Ang isda raw sa bibig nahuhuli!

Moral lesson bro: We must be careful with what we say becoz it may haunt us.

Nothing to hide and nothing to feel sorry for
"Nabubuking" lol only applies to you "bro"

 

[carmelo72]

You don't want to rewind becoz nabubuking ka in what you've said before. Ang isda raw sa bibig nahuhuli!

Moral lesson bro: We must be careful with what we say becoz it may haunt us.

Moral lesson: Dont engage in an argument when you're THAT limited

 

[IPC2]

Ryan Alba says Josh Coronel, James Nacua, and Seven Gagate impressed him in the last U18: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1598874439986601985?t=y0-8MXXZy3_KC6QWt_5tiw&s=19

I hope these guys get a break in the senior team someday. Sakto for Nacua and Coronel, as Perez and Parks, their competition at 2/3, turn 30 next year, so the former two might get a shot soon, provided they develop well. Hope we don't waste them.

As for Seven, he might have a shot. Carl, Balti, Quiambao, and Malonzo are our only options at 4 after Japeth calls it quits, so Seven may have a chance.