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sroth38392
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Exactly, the hugot style doesn’t work against top level teams like Lebanon, Iran, and Jordan but it does work against teams who do not outsize us.
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Exactly, the hugot style doesn’t work against top level teams like Lebanon, Iran, and Jordan but it does work against teams who do not outsize us.
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sroth38392
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That’s what we said vs Indonesia couple of months ago… but look what happened? Next KSA vs gilas match up eh no more clarkson and Kai and we will only parade so called “pba superstars”… that time KSA can match up now against us because no more game changer ala clarkson… I don’t like Lang what I saw now with SBP…
You’re being too negative against a PBA-backed team. They are still capable but not against top tier Asian teams. And November is three months away. Lots of things can happen like Edu and Ange returning. Pretty sure they’ll just adjust the PBA calendar so we have the high class hugots back in the team.
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IPC2
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Another from Snow: https://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/1554319382767030273?t=1rmpacwUWUOtNwcRTUzkaw&s=19
He says that SMC has the best bigman, and best players at 3 and 4 for Gilas. I agree with the bigman, but I dunno with the 3 and 4, because I think Tamayo and Baltazar are better than the best fours of SMC, and SMC has only Calvin Abueva as a Gilas quality true wing. Oftana, Malonzo, and Navarro are the best options at wing, in my opinion, and only Malonzo has SMC connection (via northPort).
He says that SMC has the best bigman, and best players at 3 and 4 for Gilas. I agree with the bigman, but I dunno with the 3 and 4, because I think Tamayo and Baltazar are better than the best fours of SMC, and SMC has only Calvin Abueva as a Gilas quality true wing. Oftana, Malonzo, and Navarro are the best options at wing, in my opinion, and only Malonzo has SMC connection (via northPort).
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sroth38392
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Another from Snow: https://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/1554319382767030273?t=1rmpacwUWUOtNwcRTUzkaw&s=19
He says that SMC has the best bigman, and best players at 3 and 4 for Gilas. I agree with the bigman, but I dunno with the 3 and 4, because I think Tamayo and Baltazar are better than the best fours of SMC, and SMC has only Calvin Abueva as a Gilas quality true wing. Oftana, Malonzo, and Navarro are the best options at wing, in my opinion, and only Malonzo has SMC connection (via northPort).
Their best big men are also 30+ years old already.
Seriously, we only need Junemar if we already have Kai, Edu, and Geo for the WC.
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mapuakid2
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PH basketball is messed up coz of its stakeholders and officials.
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thatweirdguy2
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I say 50 pts if its coach Tab coaching Gilas. With Choke Reyes as coach & SBP usad pagong, I won't even be surprised if Saudi Arabia scores a mighty upset against us!!!
Well, maybe mas mabuti nga na matalo tayo sa Saudi Arabia if only to force Choke Reyes & Al Panlilio to resign from their respective posts.
JC could drop an easy 40 points with his eyes close against Asian level teams. Kai if he would play is viewed by many as someone comparable or better than all top 3 picks in the NBA this year. Then you have the PBA stars.
There's no way this team would lose to any Asian team right?
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CoJ2
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Exactly, the hugot style doesn’t work against top level teams like Lebanon, Iran, and Jordan but it does work against teams who do not outsize us.
hugot style only works for one program, team USA basketball, the rest of the world have a long term program and robust grassroot system. The other country that has implemented this hugot system is Nigeria thanks to their Nigerian-Americans who are in the NBA and NCAA, they had a great showing in the2019 WC and the Olympics but currently their NSA is under as political as SBP.
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IPC2
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You’re being too negative against a PBA-backed team. They are still capable but not against top tier Asian teams. And November is three months away. Lots of things can happen like Edu and Ange returning. Pretty sure they’ll just adjust the PBA calendar so we have the high class hugots back in the team.
I can't blame him for the negativity, given the shite performances the PBA players have put on since 2017, apart from the 2019 SEA Games.
Big part of that though was that the only (eligible) PBA players performing worth a damn during that span were Jayson Castro, Gabe Norwood, Calvin Abueva, Terrence Romeo, June Mar Fajardo, CJ Perez, and maybe Japeth Aguilar and Marcio Lassiter. And most of the time, only 3 to 5 of those players saw action simultaneously. The rest (Troy, Barroca, Scottie, Pogoy, Lee, Greg, Arwind, Montalbo) were either not good or not that experienced in FIBA play.
I'm willing to include PBA players, but under good training and drill, especially on defense in FIBA. Too often have I seen bad defense from PBA squads in FIBA since 2017. Also, they have to be good enough, meaning select the CJ Perez, Calvin Oftana, Jamie Malonzo, June Mar Fajardo, Jayson Castro types and caliber of players.
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C2Hamm2
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Their best big men are also 30+ years old already.
Seriously, we only need Junemar if we already have Kai, Edu, and Geo for the WC.
doesnt matter if they are 30+ yrs old. they just need to be "better" for 2 weeks over Tamayo and Balti. at the moment, our focus is just 2023 WC. nothing after that. that's SMC's problem it seems.
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JAMSKIE2
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Yes, on paper Gilas is really a strong team that can challenge & beat all the elite Asian teams (sans full force national teams of Australia & NZ).
But basketball is played in the hard court, not on paper.
Problem kasi with Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people is that they have a very different mentality as far as the idea of reinforcing Gilas with PBA marque players is concerned. I mean, these people have a different way of thinking from coach Tab Baldwin's way of thinking. I think in coach Tab's mentality, he doesn't buy the idea of putting too many PBA players in the Gilas team or pool as doing so would have an adverse effect on the team's chemistry/cohesion. I think for coach Tab, he just wants to shore-up the few "weak spots" of Gilas with a very few PBA players, say 2 to 3 PBA players, & that's it. Maybe he just wants to bolster the small forward position, hence he would want a Jamie Malonzo in there. Maybe Tab would want a Robert Bolick in Gilas to provide some maturity & size at the point guard spot. Maybe he would want a Junmar Fajardo or a Japeth Aguilar as an insurance big guy. So we are talking here of only 2 or 3 PBA players as reinforcements for Gilas in the 2023 FIBA World Cup.
Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people on the other hand have the mentality of making Gilas stronger & more competitive by putting in as many PBA stars/superstars in the national team. This without any regard for chemistry/cohesion that the original players of Gilas team (Thirdy, Dwight, Baltazar, Tamayo, Kai, Navarro, Belangel, Abarrientos, Dave Ildefonso, Jordan Heading) have already established. Its like these people believe that Gilas can do the job by sheer talent alone while disregarding the importance of things like preparation, cohesion, bonding, jelling. For the coming 4th window for instance, why is it that hindi pa pinag-uusapan kung kailan magsa start ang Gilas training/practices? Al Panlilio & SBP can call for the start of Gilas training anytime soon even as the team awaits the arrival of Jordan Clarkson & Kai Sotto. Possible PBA reinforcements like Bolick, Malonzo, Japeth, Iskati Thompson, Oftana, Tratter, Arana, are already available so as Gilas regulars Thirdy, kiefer, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Navarro, Chiu, Belangel, Abarrientos. Why not start the Gilas practice a week before the arrival of Clarkson (Aug. 15)? That extra week of practice/training would be valuable for the PBA reinforcements to learn & familiarize with the system, and jell with the Gilas regulars as well.
The longer the training or practice period the team will have, the better. Its common sense.
So what is SBP waiting? Why not call for the resumption of Gilas training ASAP? Usad pagong talaga ang SBP.
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JC could drop an easy 40 points with his eyes close against Asian level teams. Kai if he would play is viewed by many as someone comparable or better than all top 3 picks in the NBA this year. Then you have the PBA stars.
There's no way this team would lose to any Asian team right?
Yes, on paper Gilas is really a strong team that can challenge & beat all the elite Asian teams (sans full force national teams of Australia & NZ).
But basketball is played in the hard court, not on paper.
Problem kasi with Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people is that they have a very different mentality as far as the idea of reinforcing Gilas with PBA marque players is concerned. I mean, these people have a different way of thinking from coach Tab Baldwin's way of thinking. I think in coach Tab's mentality, he doesn't buy the idea of putting too many PBA players in the Gilas team or pool as doing so would have an adverse effect on the team's chemistry/cohesion. I think for coach Tab, he just wants to shore-up the few "weak spots" of Gilas with a very few PBA players, say 2 to 3 PBA players, & that's it. Maybe he just wants to bolster the small forward position, hence he would want a Jamie Malonzo in there. Maybe Tab would want a Robert Bolick in Gilas to provide some maturity & size at the point guard spot. Maybe he would want a Junmar Fajardo or a Japeth Aguilar as an insurance big guy. So we are talking here of only 2 or 3 PBA players as reinforcements for Gilas in the 2023 FIBA World Cup.
Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people on the other hand have the mentality of making Gilas stronger & more competitive by putting in as many PBA stars/superstars in the national team. This without any regard for chemistry/cohesion that the original players of Gilas team (Thirdy, Dwight, Baltazar, Tamayo, Kai, Navarro, Belangel, Abarrientos, Dave Ildefonso, Jordan Heading) have already established. Its like these people believe that Gilas can do the job by sheer talent alone while disregarding the importance of things like preparation, cohesion, bonding, jelling. For the coming 4th window for instance, why is it that hindi pa pinag-uusapan kung kailan magsa start ang Gilas training/practices? Al Panlilio & SBP can call for the start of Gilas training anytime soon even as the team awaits the arrival of Jordan Clarkson & Kai Sotto. Possible PBA reinforcements like Bolick, Malonzo, Japeth, Iskati Thompson, Oftana, Tratter, Arana, are already available so as Gilas regulars Thirdy, kiefer, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Navarro, Chiu, Belangel, Abarrientos. Why not start the Gilas practice a week before the arrival of Clarkson (Aug. 15)? That extra week of practice/training would be valuable for the PBA reinforcements to learn & familiarize with the system, and jell with the Gilas regulars as well.
The longer the training or practice period the team will have, the better. Its common sense.
So what is SBP waiting? Why not call for the resumption of Gilas training ASAP? Usad pagong talaga ang SBP.
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CoJ2
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Yes, on paper Gilas is really a strong team that can challenge & beat all the elite Asian teams (sans full force national teams of Australia & NZ).
But basketball is played in the hard court, not on paper.
Problem kasi with Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people is that they have a very different mentality as far as the idea of reinforcing Gilas with PBA marque players is concerned. I mean, these people have a different way of thinking from coach Tab Baldwin's way of thinking. I think in coach Tab's mentality, he doesn't buy the idea of putting too many PBA players in the Gilas team or pool as doing so would have an adverse effect on the team's chemistry/cohesion. I think for coach Tab, he just wants to shore-up the few "weak spots" of Gilas with a very few PBA players, say 2 to 3 PBA players, & that's it. Maybe he just wants to bolster the small forward position, hence he would want a Jamie Malonzo in there. Maybe Tab would want a Robert Bolick in Gilas to provide some maturity & size at the point guard spot. Maybe he would want a Junmar Fajardo or a Japeth Aguilar as an insurance big guy. So we are talking here of only 2 or 3 PBA players as reinforcements for Gilas in the 2023 FIBA World Cup.
Al Panlilio, SBP & PBA people on the other hand have the mentality of making Gilas stronger & more competitive by putting in as many PBA stars/superstars in the national team. This without any regard for chemistry/cohesion that the original players of Gilas team (Thirdy, Dwight, Baltazar, Tamayo, Kai, Navarro, Belangel, Abarrientos, Dave Ildefonso, Jordan Heading) have already established. Its like these people believe that Gilas can do the job by sheer talent alone while disregarding the importance of things like preparation, cohesion, bonding, jelling. For the coming 4th window for instance, why is it that hindi pa pinag-uusapan kung kailan magsa start ang Gilas training/practices? Al Panlilio & SBP can call for the start of Gilas training anytime soon even as the team awaits the arrival of Jordan Clarkson & Kai Sotto. Possible PBA reinforcements like Bolick, Malonzo, Japeth, Iskati Thompson, Oftana, Tratter, Arana, are already available so as Gilas regulars Thirdy, kiefer, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Navarro, Chiu, Belangel, Abarrientos. Why not start the Gilas practice a week before the arrival of Clarkson (Aug. 15)? That extra week of practice/training would be valuable for the PBA reinforcements to learn & familiarize with the system, and jell with the Gilas regulars as well.
The longer the training or practice period the team will have, the better. Its common sense.
So what is SBP waiting? Why not call for the resumption of Gilas training ASAP? Usad pagong talaga ang SBP.
SBP, Vargas and Panlilio still stuck with the Dream Team mentality, tsktsk, would never work if youre best local based players have limited to none intl experience Well in theory this would work if they get a Blatche level NP (Clarkson) and long prep time
SBP and PBA thinking that stacking the best local talent would work, haven't they learned from the Gilastopainters?
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JAMSKIE2
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SBP, Vargas and Panlilio still stuck with the Dream Team mentality, tsktsk, would never work if youre best local based players have limited to none intl experience Well in theory this would work if they get a Blatche level NP (Clarkson) and long prep time
SBP and PBA thinking that stacking the best local talent would work, haven't they learned from the Gilastopainters?
Maybe SBP people are so confident that with Clarkson in tow, no need of a longer preparation for Gilas becoz Lebanon & Saudi Arabia don't have any player who can match-up with Clarkson. That's the prime example of "utak galunggong"!
U see, we can't compare the current situation of Gilas with that of the Gilas team for the 2019 FIBA World Cup qualifying windows, in particular the first 3 windows, in so far as the length of preparation is concerned. That's becoz that Gilas team for the 2019 World Cup qualifiers have built-in chemistry & cohesion having played/trained/practiced together with Gilas for a considerable period. I mean our Gilas boys at that time - Junmar, Japeth, Blatche, Norwood, Wright, Pogoy, Castro, Abueva, have built in chemistry that a 10-day preparation period in every window was good enough for the team.
The current Gilas team being envisioned to play in the 4th window will have a number of PBA players some of which would be first timers in the FIBA game. If our Gilas team will have as many as 6 PBA players plus Clarkson & Kai Sotto, then I say a 10-day preparation period won't cut it. There's no way that team will establish enough degree of chemistry/cohesion & familiarity with the system in a 10-day training period. That team will be called "chop suey".
I hope Al Panlilio & his SBP cohorts as well as Choke Reyes realize this.
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IPC2
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this is the reason why i dont get why people are happy that SMC will take over. same lng naman. just change TNT players with SMC players but all problems and issues will remain. will SMC change the PBA schedule for 4 yrs? will they pay all players who get Japan\SOKor\Taiwan\whatever country to stay and play in PBA?
will we have a grassroot program where we are confident to get players for our youth team, and those players are top priority for next level up (from u16 to u18 to senior) or are we still getting from other countries mostly and just randomly pick from PBA teams when it goes to senior games? no difference.
On board with this take. I have plenty of questions about SMC myself, like will they develop players, coaches, and systems for the international game, and invest in overseas ventures of young players?
With this direction, I just hope that our best youth players will go pro abroad, whether B.League, KBL, NBL, or even Europe, NBA.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Were still longing for that true blue basketball guy(s) to propel us to a level that we could say that our Gilas team is the real deal in FIBA level...for now it's still a wishful thinking.
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sroth38392
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On board with this take. I have plenty of questions about SMC myself, like will they develop players, coaches, and systems for the international game, and invest in overseas ventures of young players?
With this direction, I just hope that our best youth players will go pro abroad, whether B.League, KBL, NBL, or even Europe, NBA.
The SMC group are the Lakers of Filipino basketball. They don’t develop talent. They simply “buy” one and done guys and put them in a team.
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greenarcher2
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Next year will be a repeat of 2007 FIBA Asia and 2018 Asian Games. Itaga niyo sa bato.
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thatweirdguy2
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The SMC group are the Lakers of Filipino basketball. They don’t develop talent. They simply “buy” one and done guys and put them in a team.
True. And I don't think he's that influencial yet to work the refs like hes used to. Would be interesting if they'll allow him to just bring his superfriends courtside though to help with the coaching. I could already smell the alibi when the loses pile up.
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IPC2
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Every day I'm slowly losing my connection with this team. Pretty soon especially with Chua onboard I might be rooting against them
Im way ahead of you....I am rooting against them
They're slowly cutting off the cadets that even though are flawed and are work in progress worked their butts off when the PBA deemed their games more important than FIBA competition. Now that they're gonna get prime exposure they suddenly take over?
I wouldn't go as far as rooting against the team. However, losing interest is justified. The cadets who work their asses off and are more used to FIBA play are getting phased out, really?
I really hope those younger players take opportunities abroad than the PBA. That's all I'm hoping for. Let the PBA settle for ineligibles and second or even third rate college players until they can change play style, development outlook, or even terms and conditions.
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thatweirdguy2
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I wouldn't go as far as rooting against the team. However, losing interest is justified. The cadets who work their asses off and are more used to FIBA play are getting phased out, really?
I really hope those younger players take opportunities abroad than the PBA. That's all I'm hoping for. Let the PBA settle for ineligibles and second or even third rate college players until they can change play style, development outlook, or even terms and conditions.
Not only that but those guys are tailor made for FIBA. That's why they were included in the pool in the first place. They're built different and played differently thanm the other local guys. It took years for Tab and co to mold them and prepare them. SMH
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IPC2
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Not only that but those guys are tailor made for FIBA. That's why they were included in the pool in the first place. They're built different and played differently thanm the other local guys. It took years for Tab and co to mold them and prepare them. SMH
Yeah, guys like Dwight, Carl, Balti, Navarro, Heading are great fits for the FIBA game. Even Thirdy. Oftana, though a PBA player, was also a part of that program. Man, people can't appreciate much the value of being made for FIBA, e, instead of just for local basketball. Good grief.