Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

let me just say this.. Tab Baldwin has done WONDERS for Philippine basketball and local players and coaches SHOULD ACCEPT AND RESPECT THAT..

2014 FIBA World Cup - Tab as consultant for defense
PHI vs Cro - 78-81
PHI vs. Greece - 70-82
PHI vs. Argentina - 81-85
PHI vs. Puerto Rico - 73-77
PHI vs Sen - 81-79

2015 FIBA Asia Cup
Silver Medal

2016 FIBA OQT
PHI vs Fra - 84-93
PHI vs NZ - 80-89

2020 FIBA OQT
PHI vs. Serbia - 76-83

vs. world teams that is an average losing margin of 6 pts.. 6 FREAKING POINTS!!! well we still don't have the DR game but man.... I think we have the best "margin" amongst asian teams..

I hope we continue that track record. It's not just the ball movement system, it's also the defensive rotation. I dearly hope we make that our identity for the next few decades, while retaining our skill in 1-on-1 and gulang plays (of course we still need those, hopefully FIBA refs don't see them as much).

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Magaling naman talaga mga pilipino sa basketball.

Sir Analyzed would disagree with me. But I think Gilas Players are always talented, just lacks system.

That's why Coach tab envisioned us to be top 15-10 in the world in the near future.

Kai will eventually get to his prime

Dwight is near his prime

Kouame is near his prime also.Though Clarkson may replace him in WC.

Balti and Tamayo transitioning to wings are in positive development

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Double post

 

[Athrunzala2]

Magaling naman talaga mga pilipino sa basketball.

Sir Analyzed would disagree with me. But I think Gilas Players are always talented, just lacks system.

That's why Coach tab envisioned us to be top 15-10 in the world in the near future.

Kai will eventually get to his prime

Dwight is near his prime

Kouame is near his prime also.Though Clarkson may replace him in WC.

Balti and Tamayo transitioning to wings are in positive development

isama mo pa ang next batch of youngsters with Basti Reyes potential height of 6'9 and can be a Point Forward , and the Harpers 6'8 SG and SFs

 

[reamily2]

Lol the so called imamturity on rks game is something can be teached and something thathe should carry in big games..di pwede di malakas ang loob.. theres a reason why we missed the go ahead basket on last two minutes..makikita mo talava kungsinu yun buo ang loob at nagagawa yun ginagawa sa practice..

 

[reamily2]

Magaling naman talaga mga pilipino sa basketball.

Sir Analyzed would disagree with me. But I think Gilas Players are always talented, just lacks system.

That's why Coach tab envisioned us to be top 15-10 in the world in the near future.

Kai will eventually get to his prime

Dwight is near his prime

Kouame is near his prime also.Though Clarkson may replace him in WC.

Balti and Tamayo transitioning to wings are in positive development

Noon pa na wla tayong kinukuhang imprt t supplant the team.eh ok na tayo, ngayon pa na naging open minded na tayo sa ganyan

 

[DAdmiral2]

Here's my take on RJ:

In an much as I'd like to have "pass-first" type of point guards in Gilas, I think a highly skilled PG like RJ Abarrientos is serviceable to Gilas. RJ is just too skilled & not to mention too gutsy a player to be ignored. I mean, how could you not admire the guts & confidence this kid has in his game? You can sense the confidence & composure he has in himself with the way he carries himself inside the playing court. Of course, he showed some immaturity & the over eagerness to score at times, but isn't that expected from a 21-year old first timer in the FIBA senior level competition?

I say, moving forward, as RJ gets more experience in high level basketball & playing under coach Tab's system, he'll learn to become more prudent & disciplined with his game.

I say this: yung immaturity ni RJ sa kanyang game is nowhere near to the "tactical" immaturity of most of our local coaches in the PBA

You have to remember prior to last month, RJ had zero game experience at either UAAP senior or national team senior level.
So he's scratching the surface of his potential really.
Once he figures it out , it can be scary.
Remember he's way ahead of Castro , when Jason was still in college

 

[DAdmiral2]

Magaling naman talaga mga pilipino sa basketball.

Sir Analyzed would disagree with me. But I think Gilas Players are always talented, just lacks system.

That's why Coach tab envisioned us to be top 15-10 in the world in the near future.

Kai will eventually get to his prime

Dwight is near his prime

Kouame is near his prime also.Though Clarkson may replace him in WC.

Balti and Tamayo transitioning to wings are in positive development

Magaling is of course relative.

Understand where I'm coming from when we're talking about individual talent , and how much high level players we have out there


Two of our productive players Dwight and Heading played in US colleges , the number of US Div 1 players from nations outside US who were playing ahead of the two(starter for mid major div1 ) are over a hundred easily .
Dominican Republic is just ranked 19 in the world, and I think some lower ranked Euro teams are even better than DR.
But DR individual talent level without question is ahead of any team in Asia . I mean all 5 positions

BTW NZ in terms.of individual talent is NOT a top 15 nation in the world in producing players

 

[zairex2]

You have to remember prior to last month, RJ had zero game experience at either UAAP senior or national team senior level.
So he's scratching the surface of his potential really.
Once he figures it out , it can be scary.
Remember he's way ahead of Castro , when Jason was still in college

I don't think so. Castro was a better finisher and able to score much easier and decision making much better. He even beat an Aus club team with imports, and his teammates were all mature including RDO. RJ is a bit better shooter from a far.

 

[DAdmiral2]

I don't think so. Castro was a better finisher and able to score much easier and decision making much better. He even beat an Aus club team with imports, and his teammates were all mature including RDO. RJ is a bit better shooter from a far.

As a PG in college or 21 yrs old Jason, was he even playing PG at that age? And what competition?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

You have to remember prior to last month, RJ had zero game experience at either UAAP senior or national team senior level.
So he's scratching the surface of his potential really.
Once he figures it out , it can be scary.
Remember he's way ahead of Castro , when Jason was still in college

That's what I pointed out about RJ a couple of days ago. He was just playing high school basketball about a just a year ago then everything had to stop becoz of this pandemic. Then this call up from coach Tab to join Gilas for the 3rd window & OQT. But even if RJ (& SJ Belangel) was in the "Calam-bubble", under the hierarchy, Matt Nieto is the No. 1 point guard in the pool while RJ & SJ would be coming from behind. But Matt was hit by an injury, hence both RJ & SJ have become the point guards of the team in the 3rd window & OQT.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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RJ's downside is his tendency to take ill-advised shots & that over eagerness to score. But you have to understand that in high school basketball, RJ was the focal point in offense with the FEU Baby Tamaraws. He is the team's No. 1 scorer, & he is such a gifted scorer. Hence, the transition from being the focal point of offense in his high school to being among the least options in offense with Gilas isn't that easy for RJ. Its hard to tame one's offensive or scoring instincts right away. Its a process that takes time.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Of course so much can still happen until 2023.
But I'm leaning on our 2 PGs for 2023 being Kiefer and RJ.
Of course the premise is they train with Tab

That the benefit Matt and SJ have , but given the same level experience with Tab, i think Kiefer and RJ would be good PGs for 2023

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I don't think so. Castro was a better finisher and able to score much easier and decision making much better. He even beat an Aus club team with imports, and his teammates were all mature including RDO. RJ is a bit better shooter from a far.

Better finisher, yes. Much better in decision making? I don't think so. Even during in his mid-20's Castro wasn't among the best decision maker among PBA point guards. Castro's upside that made him a valuable natjonal team prospect is his offensive skills, quickness & athleticism. I say Alapag, Tenorio, Chris Tiu, JV Casio have better decision making than Castro.

 

[zairex2]

As a PG in college or 21 yrs old Jason, was he even playing PG at that age? And what competition?

Yes for PCU, Singapore slingers and Harbor Center. HC funded our SEAG team and they played in Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYr3zXn9L5E

 

[zairex2]

Better finisher, yes. Much better in decision making? I don't think so. Even during in his mid-20's Castro wasn't among the best decision maker among PBA point guards. Castro's upside that made him a valuable natjonal team prospect is his offensive skills, quickness & athleticism. I say Alapag, Tenorio, Chris Tiu, JV Casio have better decision making than Castro.

This was a comparison between RJ Abbarientos and J. Castro.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

This was a comparison between RJ Abbarientos and J. Castro.

Yes, but I was just implying that decision making isn't among Castro's upside specially during his younger years.

BTW, how was Castro's overall performance in the 2014 World Cup? Wasn't he most of time been bothered by the size of the opposition? Castro was already 28 yrs old at that time.

 

[zairex2]

Yes, but I was just implying that decision making isn't among Castro's upside specially during his younger years.

BTW, how was Castro's overall performance in the 2014 World Cup? Wasn't he most of time been bothered by the size of the opposition? Castro was already 28 yrs old at that time.

Yes, like everybody else got intimidated but in Argentina game he had a good first half and Croatia he forced overtime. You have to remember he was injuried at that time thats why he didn't play in Asian Games and almost didn't played in WC 2014.

He did good on OQT 2016.

 

[StallionEagle2]

Here's my take on RJ:

I say, moving forward, as RJ gets more experience in high level basketball & playing under coach Tab's system, he'll learn to become more prudent & disciplined with his game.

Agree. If there is one thing about Coach Tab, it's the seriousness with which he goes after the objective. Thirdy Ravena was much the same way in his younger years, highly undisciplined, playing to the crowd, and generally going against the system often. But the way Tab harnessed his energy and athleticism and put refined discipline to his game was a marvel to watch, the consecutive UAAP championships as proof. RJ, for all his youth, odds are he can be refined and shaped much the same way and be productive for years to come.

 

[Bonifacio2]

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RJ's downside is his tendency to take ill-advised shots & that over eagerness to score. But you have to understand that in high school basketball, RJ was the focal point in offense with the FEU Baby Tamaraws. He is the team's No. 1 scorer, & he is such a gifted scorer. Hence, the transition from being the focal point of offense in his high school to being among the least options in offense with Gilas isn't that easy for RJ. Its hard to tame one's offensive or scoring instincts right away. Its a process that takes time.

Here's my take on this. RJ is actually good. He is a good penetrator and scorer. He is like the Alapag and Castro. However, it will be very difficult to pass the ball to Kai or Kouame if you are 5'11 and you have a 6'6 guy in front of you. Same problem with SJ.

Among the amateurs, who is the tallest point guard that we can get?