Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

most of our players get lost on defensive schemes. Try rewatching our games during WC against European teams. They just aren't used to Euro style basketball. Decades of playing on PBA will do that to ya

Unfortunately, for our defense to improve in the pros, we will have to get used to a European offense which relies on shooting as one of their primary weapons to win. Ginebra was one of the best 3-point shooting teams last season, but they don't take that many threes. TNT takes a lot of threes, but they're not that good at making them.

As long as we're not that good at shooting and movement, we won't get used to defending perimeter-oriented Euro-style offenses. We'll just get used to packing the paint and praying that the shooters miss.

 

[IPC2]

The pro vets don't necessarily have to come from PBA,
Clarkson, Thirdy and Kiefer (assuming not in PBA)
would suffice

BTW that is model (getting players from overseas leagues) that is more commonly used by good national teams.

Players playing overseas actually have more experience in FIBA level type of ball

Hopefully, many of the non-Gilas draftees wil eventually go abroad (Japan, probably Korea, China, and Australia) to play professionally.

As for the Gilas draftees, I hope some sign one-year contracts with their mother teams and then try going abroad. Tungcab got an offer from the B.League, I think some of the others can get that kind of offer too.

 

[thatweirdguy]

Actually all PBA teams failed to develop more wings, guys like Canaleta, Intal, Escotto, Maierhoffer, Guevarra, etc.. could be develop into wing players ala Baltazar, But PBA coaches put them all as stretch 4, Or sometimes small ball 5.. Look at now Roosevelt Adams on how Terrafirma did it to him? Wing yan then all of suddenly ginagawa syang stretch 4.. I'm sure Malonzo will be the next victim of poor PBA development...

Hoping they don't mess up Oftana and Navarro's development.

 

[Money]

Actually all PBA teams failed to develop more wings, guys like Canaleta, Intal, Escotto, Maierhoffer, Guevarra, etc.. could be develop into wing players ala Baltazar, But PBA coaches put them all as stretch 4, Or sometimes small ball 5.. Look at now Roosevelt Adams on how Terrafirma did it to him? Wing yan then all of suddenly ginagawa syang stretch 4.. I'm sure Malonzo will be the next victim of poor PBA development...

Canaleta and Intal were used as wings during their prime. Heck Canaleta was even used as a 2 - 3 during his prime years.

Guevarra didn't have a good career but he wasn't a 4. he was always a guard in college up to the PBA.

Maierhofer and Escoto were 4s in college.

Mali mali mga sinasabi mo. Canaleta was only used as a stretch 4 with BWE because of lack of big men.

Adams was the only exception. Wing player talaga yan na ginamit as a 4.

 

[IshmaelM]

Guevarra could be a good wing guy if coach Bo use him right in Powerade, Or coach Olsen Racela at Petron days.. But the thing eh they don't know how to use him.. coach Toroman use him right when he was in Gilas 1, especially in Jones Cup 2010.. He was decent.. He was forced to join the PBA draft due to monetary issues.. Maierhoffer and Escotto could be a wing if our local coaches are not dumb dude.. Baltazar is a 4 in his early UAAP days.. But look how Baldwin use him? Maierhoffer and Escotto has potential to be wing... But what our local coaches do? ginawang stretch 4.. Puta eh ginawa pa nga sentro ni coach Leo yang si Escotto last season eh... Makikipagtalo kapa sakin eh i'm more Gilas fan than PBA fan... Canaleta was a 3 before, But because our local coaches are dumb eh kung anu anong position pinaggawa nila kay Canaleta until he forced to play now stretch 4.. Last season eh ginawa pa nga yang 5 eh.. It's all local coaches fault.. How can you explain Ferrer and Belo? These two are used to be a wing man back in college, But because of poor development of our local PBA coaches eh naging stretch 4 sila hanggang sa nabano na.. That's why we are only relying on Norwood as only best SF because our local coaches are poor on develop wing players..

Belo was a 4/3 in college if I remember correctly. Pogoy was the 3. But he moved well amd had a smooth perimeter shot. In the PBA he thought he needed to get bigger and stronger to play in the paint. That was his major mistake. He was known more for his perimeter shots than being strong in the paint. He shouldve focused on his handles to be a real SF. Instead he bulked up and went hard in the paint. He is a cautionary tale for adding muscle to get stronger in the paint.

Well, Ferrer was overrated. He had the height and length to defend the perimeter but his whole college he just camped in the 3 pt line. And I think the refs gave him leeway just so somebody could stop Parks. I didnt see his games but from Parks complaints I dont think Ferrers defense is up too par internationally.

In the PBA, I guess the physicality is so that 6'4 and above SFs need to bulk up in order to survive and many times become PFs. The PBA needs to reexamine itself. Pinoy basketball needs taller wings to become internationally relevant. Instead what we have in the Philippines are undersized PFs.

 

[IPC2]

... the last time we had a commish who had vision of the future was Noli Eala. From Narvasa to this current kiss ass SMC commish, all downhill.

to dovetail to what a poster here said, I may not be a danding fan, but he did care enough for the NT team to support it long term.

I hope the KBL will truly open their borders for more asian players to paly and the Bleague to change a bit their asian import rule and the NBL to take more asian imports. In that way most of our collegiate players will not have their options so thin with only this archaic / non innovative cartel basketball league as an option. I hope also the Vismin cup and even the MPBL flourish.

VisMin, MPBL, and NBL are Chooks-sponsored. I do hope Mascariñas finds a way to make the leagues merge into one big minor league that can hopefully compete with the PBA.

About Eala, although he had a link to SMC (he was employed there after his resignation as kume), agree that he had a vision of the future.

Hopefully, more international leagues will take our young players.

 

[IPC2]

Here's a video about the importance of continuity and culture in the national team.

 

[IPC2]

Juan GDL just signed with a B.League Division 2 team: http://tbti.me/s20baf

 

[shamuibilog]

Juan GDL just signed with a B.League Division 2 team: http://tbti.me/s20baf

indeed. Good news.

https://eftokyo-z.jp/news/210623-01

 

[DAdmiral]

This may sound weird coming from me, while it is indeed a good development more players play overseas, important also is maintaining a good pro domestic league. I've seen it in NZ. the only thing is the domestic league should be under the jurisdiction of the federation. (SBP) not the other way around

 

[DAdmiral]

the domestic pro league should grow up , and not take players playing overseas as a bad thing, but actually good thing , as if they develop well, they eventually will increase the level of play when they return home to play

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Japan can only offer College Players.

Our Pba Players is "may tali sa leeg" by their pba teams.

Anyway, Balti, Dwight, and Tamayo would probably be discovered and be offered by B League or other International quality leagues better than pba.

 

[IPC2]

the domestic pro league should grow up , and not take players playing overseas as a bad thing, but actually good thing , as if they develop well, they eventually will increase the level of play when they return home to play

Ayun na nga, e. It will increase the level of play. So at least they'll get something positive out of it.

 

[DAdmiral]

Ayun na nga, e. It will increase the level of play. So at least they'll get something positive out of it.

it's like not allowing OFW's , let them go,, and when they return they can bring back what they learned.. win win.. need to think more broadly and not insular.

 

[deku_midoriya]

it's like not allowing OFW's , let them go,, and when they return they can bring back what they learned.. win win.. need to think more broadly and not insular.

Many pinoy players abroad is good for gilas but is in no way good for the PBA. Besides, it seems that the mentality of our best young players is go abroad because of better offers not because they want to hone their craft to be ready for the PBA. Lol

The really good ones will be having a long international career in a foreign league, returning only when they are past their primes.

 

[judasmartel]

I have always wondered why the PBA develops potential wing players into stretch 4s, then I realized that the SF position is basically non-existent in Philippine basketball for a very long time.

 

[shamuibilog]

This may sound weird coming from me, while it is indeed a good development more players play overseas, important also is maintaining a good pro domestic league. I've seen it in NZ. the only thing is the domestic league should be under the jurisdiction of the federation. (SBP) not the other way around

that is the caveat there for our basketball set-up here. PBA controlled by SMC... SBP always threading the line between leadership of basketball to just being political to gain the blessing of the PBA.

Maintaining a pro league with parity and not a mafia or cartel is not this current PBA is all about.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Many pinoy players abroad is good for gilas but is in no way good for the PBA. Besides, it seems that the mentality of our best young players is go abroad because of better offers not because they want to hone their craft to be ready for the PBA. Lol

The really good ones will be having a long international career in a foreign league, returning only when they are past their primes.

Power of Money????

In this pandemic times, Money became even more powerful.

On the bright side, It helps Gilas to have players trained and played from abroad, than in pba.

 

[shamuibilog]

Power of Money????

In this pandemic times, Money became even more powerful.

On the bright side, It helps Gilas to have players trained and played from abroad, than in pba.

... unfortunately the harsh reality of this pandemic is real and a player / maybe now a bread winner like JDL needs a job to sustain their family as implied in what he said "“It’s hard to pass up these kinds of opportunities especially during a hard time like what we are experiencing right now,” he told Tiebreaker Times." ... it is the right thing to do.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

This may sound weird coming from me, while it is indeed a good development more players play overseas, important also is maintaining a good pro domestic league. I've seen it in NZ. the only thing is the domestic league should be under the jurisdiction of the federation. (SBP) not the other way around

Is New Zealand-NBL under its basketball federation? I wonder how many premier pro leagues in Asia-Oceania which are under the jurisdiction or control of the basketball federations of their respective countries?

PBA has never been under the jurisdiction & control of SBP or BAP (during BAP's regime) & never will be.